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Asshole Fuckface Roundup #55

Submitted by FearTheReaper

Edited by erin_broadley

Tags: Republicans, Gas Crisis, South Carolina, Dubai,

Wow. Here we are. Who knew we would make it another week and enjoy the horrors of the Asshole Fuckface Roundup together? Sadly, I had much to choose from this week. Some of the Fuckfaces only received a second place nod on my blog. I gathered the rest together so that your eyes may feast on the depths of mankind. And here they are. I’ve scoured the news for the worst people on Earth, so that you may feel better about yourself by looking down on them. So, put on a giant plastic lampshade because this is going to be horrible.

First up, Dubai shows us their Asshole Fuckface skills.

Dubai has gotten a bit of a reputation as a place where the rich go to play. That is all well and good, as long as they aren’t gay. This week Dubai “cracked down” on gay people.


Police in the Gulf tourist hub of Dubai say they've detained 17 foreign men for allegedly being gay and wearing women's clothing in malls and other public places.


Thank God you Asshole Fuckfaces cracked down on the terrible crime of men wearing women’s clothing, while you walk around in white moo moos. A Dubai paper claimed 40 were arrested. Nobody can explain the difference in the numbers.


The paper quotes Dubai's police chief as saying the arrests are part of a campaign against "transvestites."

Despite Dubai's Western outlook, homosexuality is illegal in the Muslim city-state.


Right. That and they arrest people for having less than a grain of salt worth of pot on the sole of their shoe. Here’s a tip: Don’t visit Dubai. Ever.

Next up, our gay hating Asshole Fuckfaces.

South Carolina doesn’t like being called gay. Not at all. A lot of Asshole Fuckfaces in the state are upset with a London Tube ad that claims, "South Carolina is so gay."



The ad was created by a London gay tour operator to encourage tourism to “gay-friendly” areas. I guess that didn’t work out so well.

Republican State Senator David Thomas lost his straight shit.


"South Carolinians will be irate when they learn their hard-earned tax dollars are being spent to advertise our state as 'so gay.'"


Right. And it will cause gay confusion.


They'll get off the plane and say, 'Where are the gay beaches?' and no one will know what they are talking about.


Dude, beaches don’t have a sexual preference. Just a tip. Also, you are a horribly uptight, straight man who is scared of gay people. How much do you want to bet there are “gay beaches” all over the place and no one told you?


Andrew Roberts, CEO of Amro Worldwide, visited South Carolina after the state's tourism board expressed interest in the campaign, and says he toured several gay venues, including largely gay sections of mainstream beaches, in Charleston, Hilton Head Island and Myrtle Beach. "A few people in South Carolina need to wake up to what's going on in their state," he says. "There are more gay bars along that coastal strip than there are in Vegas."


Uh oh. Them’s fightin’ words. Did you just call my beach “gay?” Huh? I’ll kick your ass.

The posters also advertised the gay-friendly cities Atlanta, Boston, Las Vegas, New Orleans and Washington, D.C. No one gave a shit in those cities. But South Carolina refused to pay the $5,000 advertising fee, asked that the posters be removed, and a state employee was forced to resign. Good work.

Next up, an Asshole Fuckface needs to stop the party.

Meet Robert Hood, of Caldwell, Texas. He’s 44-years-old and he is just getting the party started. Holy shit is he getting the party started.

Hood was arrested for a DUI on Sunday in Omaha, Nebraska, July 4 in Mitchell, South Dakota, July 7 in Deadwood, South Dakota, and on July 8 in Platte County, Wyoming. I am very impressed by anyone who is arrested two days in a row in two different states for DUI. It’s time for Bobby to get a bumper sticker that says, “Can’t Stop The Party.”

Ready for the good news?


Robert Hood, of Caldwell, Texas, was released after posting $200, or 10 percent of the $2,000 bail, Otoe County Jail officials said.


The system works! Seriously, though, a real life Ronnie Dobbs is out there, people. Stay low.

Next up, some Asshole Fuckface parents have no boundaries.

Stephanie Martinez was working as a clerk at Pizza Patron in Denton, Texas last weekend. Suddenly, a robber burst in, wearing a wig and sunglasses and said, “Give me the money!” Stephanie began emptying out her register, when the other clerk went Charles Bronson on his ass.


And then [the other clerk] hit him and knocked him out and knocked off his wig and I dropped the money. I said, ‘Don’t hit him again! That’s my dad!’


Uh. I’m sorry, what did you say? Turns out the entire family is chock full O’ Asshole Fuckfaces. The wife was also arrested. Oh, and Stephanie sort of knew what was going on.


Sgt. James Brett said Martinez's husband told them she didn't know about the robbery. He said she knew they were going to rob someplace but she thought it was going to be a convenience store.


Oh, that’s cool. Seriously, no worries. As long as she didn’t know it was specifically going to be the pizza place she works at, we’re cool. She sounds like a great woman and nothing like her father.


Martinez said she is concerned her mother may be deported.


I’m not.

Stephanie isn’t very close with her father, mostly because of the jail thing.


Martinez called her father a career criminal and said she has written him off.

"He's always been in jail. It's the same thing to me," she said.


Really? Well, he just tried to reach out to you; maybe you should give him a chance. Stephanie’s mom, dad and husband were all arrested. Stephanie is free to breed and keep this genetic marvel going.

And, finally, the many Asshole Fuckfaces of the Republican Party.

You know you have taken the wrong position when you have to blatantly lie to get people on your side. The current ridiculous talking point of the right wing is that “not a drop of oil was spilled” during Hurricane Katrina.



It’s obviously a talking point, because they are all saying the exact same line. All of the Asshole Fuckfaces were allowed to repeat a lie on a major news channel without a reporter questioning the validity of their statement. They appeared on CNN, CNN Headline News, Fox Business Network, Fox News, and MSNBC.

Here’s the truth, and I included a pretty picture.



Due to hurricanes Katrina and Rita, there were 124 offshore oil spills that released a total of 743,700 gallons of oil. The largest single spill was 152,250 gallons, which is considered to be a “major spill.” Onshore, there were 595 oil spills. Altogether, 9 million gallons were spilled. Just to compare, the Exxon Valdez spilled 10.8 million gallons.


The quantity and cumulative magnitude of the 595 spills, which were spread across four states and struck offshore and inland, rank these two hurricanes among the worst environmental disasters in U.S. history. Some have even compared the total amount of oil released — estimated at 9 million gallons — to the tragedy of Exxon Valdez.


Nine million gallons or not a drop. Easy mistake to make. Finally, yesterday, one of the only decent journalists in America (who Hillary Clinton tried to get fired) questioned the bullshit talking point.



Jesus. She just lied again to cover for her lie. Spills and seeps cannot be compared.


The key difference has to do with release rates and spatial concentration of the oil. Seeps release large amounts of oil over large areas of the ocean gradually throughout the year. Spills release large amounts of oil from a point source in a short time.



This is going to be a long summer of Asshole Fuckfacery.

Congrats to all of this week's Asshole Fuckfaces. You each win a FearTheReaper leather helmet.

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FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

JUL 20, 2008 04:44 PM

Rude_Ruca said:

Sorry. Keep forgetting you are Canadian.



It should be easy to remember. I'm clearly fucking awesome. Most of us are.

You just seem to care..soo fucking much about this, it's hard to remember that you aren't another drone rooting along with the other Obamabots.



Honey, I'm having a beer and enjoying my day off. I'm care about you and your shit less than I care about my game of Dynasty Warriors.

Again, when the US is based on the laws and regulations of Leviticus, we will talk. Until then, keep in mind, our law enforcement and media makes sure that the evangelical fundies are sought out and don't get too out of line. You can't really convict someone if your laws condone the very act of terrorism they are committing or attempting to commit.



Sodomy is currently illegal in how many US states? Just curious.

Look, I don't like people suffering at the hands of those who abuse religion. But the thing is, I can separate abuse in the name from the religion itself. You can't seem to wrap your head around that.

Bastardo

Bastardo

Boston, MA
January 2005

JUL 20, 2008 04:51 PM

Rude_Ruca said:
I am not going to discuss it with you here in the middle of a religious and political debate. End of story. And, furthermore, why the FUCK do you even care!?!!? Actually, wait, no, really, PM me. We are not talking here. Period.



I'm not PMing you. That just sounds dirty. Why not post your reasons in my journal? I'd probably be greatly amused and entertained by whatever you have to say.

gdarklighter

gdarklighter

San Diego, CA
August 2005

JUL 20, 2008 04:52 PM

Rude_Ruca said:
the only TRUE way to understand the Qur'an, Hadith are to know Arabic.


So... you're fluent in Arabic?

Rude_Ruca

Rude_Ruca

I'm lost
December 2004

JUL 20, 2008 04:52 PM

Sick said:

Rude_Ruca said:

Sick said:

Rude_Ruca said:

FreakPirate said:
You want them to abolish part of the Koran... Seriously? Your brain would explode if anyone suggested abolishing part of the Bible. In fact, I know you'd be here completely losing your shit.



When you can, or anyone for that matter, can find the portion of the bible that calls for the total infinite killing, conquering and/or subjugation of a specific race, creed, and/or religious group, you let me know.


SPOILERS! (Click to view)

1 Sam. 15:2-3

[2] Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
[3] Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.



Deuteronomy 25:17-19

[17] Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt;
[18] How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God.
[19] Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it.



And in case you anyone thinks this a singular event, there's Numbers 31:1-18.

[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
[3] And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
[4] Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
[5] So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
[6] And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
[7] And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
[8] And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
[9] And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
[10] And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
[11] And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
[12] And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
[13] And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
[14] And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
[15] And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
[16] Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
[17] Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
[18] But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.



Want to discuss the Bible some more?



Sure, let's have at it. I couldn't agree with you more that these instances were, even if isolated, were inhumane. Also, please see my post just above this reply, it will answer some of your questions regarding my views. We can do this alllll flippin' day if you'd prefer. I already said, any Christian or Jew would be NUTS to deny that the old testament is stained with blood, however, in the Christian faith, Jesus being sent as the savior of man makes it so that this kind of violent sprawl did not need to take place and that our sins be forgiven for our transgressions. Also, again, this is not, even as horrible as it is, an infinite command to kill conquer and or subjugate. Isolated incident, here.



You requested, and I quote, "the portion of the bible that calls for the total infinite killing, conquering and/or subjugation of a specific race, creed, and/or religious group."

You in know way requested it be discussed in the context of Jesus' sacrifice, or any other teachings of Christianity.

But you're correct; the above incidents aren't commands to kill, conquer, and/or subjugate. They are, in fact, commands to completely erase the Amalekites and Midians from the face of the earth.

Sounds like genocide to me.

Isolated incident? Once is an isolated incident. Twice is the start of a pattern.

Edit: Added spoiler to cut down length.



It is not known, historically speaking, if every man woman and child of those tribes were in fact wiped off of the face of the earth as we know it. Also, it was not genocide. The woman and children were, yes captives, but were not killed. After these, again ISOLATED battles, there was not a command to continuously seek out these tribes and for the rest of their existence wage war with them. Also, one should be aware that the Israelites were not meant to be instigators. In stead, God commanded that the tribes who brought transgressions towards the Israelites, that they be the target of battle. The Israelites also had a method to their invasions. They were to always have a diplomatic dialog before battles began. They were to warn their enemies and try to come to workable resolutions. However, in the Hadith, there is an invasion commanded by Muhammad upon the Jews, unbeknown to them where EVERY one was killed, except for a few women, who the soldiers in Muhammad's command were allowed to commit acts of rape. This is such a complex topic, and there are so many issues within the Qur'an that intensify this complexity I do not know if you are truly going to grasp the difference between what you mentioned and the infinite command of Muhammad.

Rude_Ruca

Rude_Ruca

I'm lost
December 2004

JUL 20, 2008 04:53 PM

gdarklighter said:

Rude_Ruca said:
the only TRUE way to understand the Qur'an, Hadith are to know Arabic.


So... you're fluent in Arabic?



That is what conservative Muslims believe. I am actually in the process of reading some of the Qur'an, as provided by the university of California. Anyone can read it, really, but that is a tactic of manipulation. I do, however, have aspirations to lean Arabic in the near future.

Rude_Ruca

Rude_Ruca

I'm lost
December 2004

JUL 20, 2008 04:59 PM

Alright, kids. It's been real, and I do mean that in the most sincerest of ways, but I need to drive a friend home and catch the new Batman flick. Besides, don't want to bore you any longer with my anti-jihad/anti-Islam stance any longer. There are many, many other Asshole Fuckfaces that FTR mentioned that you can go on about. Oh, but, one last thing to ponder, I wonder why FTR even posted about the Dubai issue, when really, the US should as per the responses here tonight, only be concerned with the going-on's of and inside the US??? confused Have fun, kiddies! kiss

sick

sick

Minneapolis, MN
June 2003

JUL 20, 2008 05:04 PM

Rude_Ruca said:

Sick said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Rude_Ruca said:

Sick said:

Rude_Ruca said:

FreakPirate said:
You want them to abolish part of the Koran... Seriously? Your brain would explode if anyone suggested abolishing part of the Bible. In fact, I know you'd be here completely losing your shit.



When you can, or anyone for that matter, can find the portion of the bible that calls for the total infinite killing, conquering and/or subjugation of a specific race, creed, and/or religious group, you let me know.


1 Sam. 15:2-3

[2] Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
[3] Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.



Deuteronomy 25:17-19

[17] Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt;
[18] How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God.
[19] Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it.



And in case you anyone thinks this a singular event, there's Numbers 31:1-18.

[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
[3] And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
[4] Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
[5] So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
[6] And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
[7] And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
[8] And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
[9] And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
[10] And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
[11] And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
[12] And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
[13] And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
[14] And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
[15] And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
[16] Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
[17] Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
[18] But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.



Want to discuss the Bible some more?



Sure, let's have at it. I couldn't agree with you more that these instances were, even if isolated, were inhumane. Also, please see my post just above this reply, it will answer some of your questions regarding my views. We can do this alllll flippin' day if you'd prefer. I already said, any Christian or Jew would be NUTS to deny that the old testament is stained with blood, however, in the Christian faith, Jesus being sent as the savior of man makes it so that this kind of violent sprawl did not need to take place and that our sins be forgiven for our transgressions. Also, again, this is not, even as horrible as it is, an infinite command to kill conquer and or subjugate. Isolated incident, here.



You requested, and I quote, "the portion of the bible that calls for the total infinite killing, conquering and/or subjugation of a specific race, creed, and/or religious group."

You in know way requested it be discussed in the context of Jesus' sacrifice, or any other teachings of Christianity.

But you're correct; the above incidents aren't commands to kill, conquer, and/or subjugate. They are, in fact, commands to completely erase the Amalekites and Midians from the face of the earth.

Sounds like genocide to me.

Isolated incident? Once is an isolated incident. Twice is the start of a pattern.

Edit: Added spoiler to cut down length.



It is not known, historically speaking, if every man woman and child of those tribes were in fact wiped off of the face of the earth as we know it. Also, it was not genocide. The woman and children were, yes captives, but were not killed. After these, again ISOLATED battles, there was not a command to continuously seek out these tribes and for the rest of their existence wage war with them. Also, one should be aware that the Israelites were not meant to be instigators. In stead, God commanded that the tribes who brought transgressions towards the Israelites, that they be the target of battle. The Israelites also had a method to their invasions. They were to always have a diplomatic dialog before battles began. They were to warn their enemies and try to come to workable resolutions. However, in the Hadith, there is an invasion commanded by Muhammad upon the Jews, unbeknown to them where EVERY one was killed, except for a few women, who the soldiers in Muhammad's command were allowed to commit acts of rape. This is such a complex topic, and there are so many issues within the Qur'an that intensify this complexity I do not know if you are truly going to grasp the difference between what you mentioned and the infinite command of Muhammad.



Whether or not those tribes were completely exterminated is irrelevant. The Israelites were commanded to exterminate them, and so these "isolated incidents" meet the requirement of what you asked be pointed out to you.

The women and children were captives, but not killed? Did you miss these delightful verses?

slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.


and

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.



Again, you didn't ask for any context to the verses. You asked for someone to point out the part of the Bible that commanded genocide. There you have it, so quite trying to present it as though the sections I cited don't address your request.

The fact is, as clearly evidenced, the Bible does have portions that call for the complete extermination of a particular race or creed. However, later teachings show that this was immoral, etc.

So, now we have the Qur'an, which also contains sections that call for the complete extermination, and so on. Can you show me that there are no later teachings that show this is immoral, etc.? Because I'm pretty sure I could find some that state it is.

Or is a revision of that sort only allowed to Christianity?

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JUL 20, 2008 05:22 PM

mingol said:

Rude_Ruca said:
... when there is a law that is enforced that is not only based off of the "teachings" of a [false] prophet...


A little advice: for so long as you insist on prefacing all of your ignorant posts about Islam with petulant foot-stamping about how "false" the Muslim prophet is, nobody with a brain is going to take anything you say on the subject even remotely seriously.



I applaud.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JUL 20, 2008 05:24 PM

gdarklighter said:

Rude_Ruca said:
If anything, be disgusted with that, for crying out loud.


I am. That does not preclude me from being disgusted with you.


Indeed.


Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 20, 2008 05:26 PM

Rude_Ruca said:


When you can, or anyone for that matter, can find the portion of the bible that calls for the total infinite killing, conquering and/or subjugation of a specific race, creed, and/or religious group, you let me know.



You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesn't receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don't believe in him. Jude 5


And I haven't even brought up Leviticus yet.

And here's a few things Jesus had to say about the Old Testament.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 )

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 )

" till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:18-19 )

"Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19)

"...the scripture cannot be broken." --Jesus Christ, (John 10:35)

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JUL 20, 2008 05:33 PM

Rude_Ruca said:
First of all, I won't stop. I carry these opinions, first and foremost, for the sake of defending western civilization and thought as we know it today.



I think you may have a mistaken opinion of "western civilisation and thought". I'm pretty sure you aren't happy with Darwinian evolution, for instance.


It worries me, especially the Obamabots, who are in fact also beneficiaries of western civilization who do not get offended at news like this, but rather with a person like me who is pretty much calling it like I see it. Remember those two fellows in Pakistan who were hanged in public for being gay? Remember that? Yeah, this is not about ONE country who does not want to change, it is about an entire ideology and the eminent threat that it poses on the free world as we know it. So, sit back, don't give a shit and hug another fucking tree (2008 translation: buy a fucking eco-friendly vehicle), but do not say that the vast minority that ALSO shares my opinion did not warn you elitist folks of the threat that is soon to be imposed on us.



Hostility to it will only reinforce its position. I suspect that's what you want.


Furthermore, JekylandHyde, I refuse to believe that God, the Judeo-Christian God, NOT allah, intended for his people to be comprised of apathetic, reluctant people who insisted on being apologists for their freedom and land at every fucking turn.



You believe that your opinion outweighs your God's?

By the way, since we are on the topic of God, Christians, and Muslims, and since you CLAIM to be a Christian, what are your thoughts on how Allah was revealed to Muhammad? Seriously, did you know that even though he claims he received the message of the one true faith, Islam, via the angel Gabriel, did you know that he FIRST interpreted the experience as that of a demonic attack? Yeah, I know, I know, something that is only discussed in small circles, a minor, insignificant fact, right? Jesus wanted us to turn the other cheek, love our enemies, but he wanted us to NOT be foolish and to be aware of our enemies as well. There are ways to push back against this ideology WITHOUT inciting violence. Sharia Law is NOT a democracy and it will ruin everything that if you don't value now, will when you find the fight is finally on OUR soil...



You are not "push[-ing] back against this ideology WITHOUT inciting violence".

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JUL 20, 2008 05:47 PM

Sick said:

Rude_Ruca said:

Sick said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Rude_Ruca said:

Sick said:

Rude_Ruca said:
FreakPirate said:
You want them to abolish part of the Koran... Seriously? Your brain would explode if anyone suggested abolishing part of the Bible. In fact, I know you'd be here completely losing your shit.



When you can, or anyone for that matter, can find the portion of the bible that calls for the total infinite killing, conquering and/or subjugation of a specific race, creed, and/or religious group, you let me know.


1 Sam. 15:2-3

[2] Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
[3] Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.



Deuteronomy 25:17-19

[17] Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt;
[18] How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God.
[19] Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it.



And in case you anyone thinks this a singular event, there's Numbers 31:1-18.

[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
[3] And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
[4] Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
[5] So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
[6] And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
[7] And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
[8] And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
[9] And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
[10] And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
[11] And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
[12] And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
[13] And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
[14] And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
[15] And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
[16] Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
[17] Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
[18] But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.



Want to discuss the Bible some more?



Sure, let's have at it. I couldn't agree with you more that these instances were, even if isolated, were inhumane. Also, please see my post just above this reply, it will answer some of your questions regarding my views. We can do this alllll flippin' day if you'd prefer. I already said, any Christian or Jew would be NUTS to deny that the old testament is stained with blood, however, in the Christian faith, Jesus being sent as the savior of man makes it so that this kind of violent sprawl did not need to take place and that our sins be forgiven for our transgressions. Also, again, this is not, even as horrible as it is, an infinite command to kill conquer and or subjugate. Isolated incident, here.



You requested, and I quote, "the portion of the bible that calls for the total infinite killing, conquering and/or subjugation of a specific race, creed, and/or religious group."

You in know way requested it be discussed in the context of Jesus' sacrifice, or any other teachings of Christianity.

But you're correct; the above incidents aren't commands to kill, conquer, and/or subjugate. They are, in fact, commands to completely erase the Amalekites and Midians from the face of the earth.

Sounds like genocide to me.

Isolated incident? Once is an isolated incident. Twice is the start of a pattern.

Edit: Added spoiler to cut down length.



It is not known, historically speaking, if every man woman and child of those tribes were in fact wiped off of the face of the earth as we know it. Also, it was not genocide. The woman and children were, yes captives, but were not killed. After these, again ISOLATED battles, there was not a command to continuously seek out these tribes and for the rest of their existence wage war with them. Also, one should be aware that the Israelites were not meant to be instigators. In stead, God commanded that the tribes who brought transgressions towards the Israelites, that they be the target of battle. The Israelites also had a method to their invasions. They were to always have a diplomatic dialog before battles began. They were to warn their enemies and try to come to workable resolutions. However, in the Hadith, there is an invasion commanded by Muhammad upon the Jews, unbeknown to them where EVERY one was killed, except for a few women, who the soldiers in Muhammad's command were allowed to commit acts of rape. This is such a complex topic, and there are so many issues within the Qur'an that intensify this complexity I do not know if you are truly going to grasp the difference between what you mentioned and the infinite command of Muhammad.



Whether or not those tribes were completely exterminated is irrelevant. The Israelites were commanded to exterminate them, and so these "isolated incidents" meet the requirement of what you asked be pointed out to you.

The women and children were captives, but not killed? Did you miss these delightful verses?

slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.


and

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.



Again, you didn't ask for any context to the verses. You asked for someone to point out the part of the Bible that commanded genocide. There you have it, so quite trying to present it as though the sections I cited don't address your request.

The fact is, as clearly evidenced, the Bible does have portions that call for the complete extermination of a particular race or creed. However, later teachings show that this was immoral, etc.

So, now we have the Qur'an, which also contains sections that call for the complete extermination, and so on. Can you show me that there are no later teachings that show this is immoral, etc.? Because I'm pretty sure I could find some that state it is.

Or is a revision of that sort only allowed to Christianity?

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Bastardo

Bastardo

Boston, MA
January 2005

JUL 20, 2008 06:43 PM

IDGAS

IDGAS

Boston, MA
March 2004

JUL 20, 2008 07:01 PM

Rude_Ruca said:

IDGAS said:

Rude_Ruca said: The problem is, Idgas wants me to see his belief that 2 plus 2 = 5, whereas I know that it equals 4. Sorry, his math just doesn't add up. Leads me to the whole apples and oranges analogy, actually...but thanks for weighing in!



No, I informed you that you were wrong (what a surprise) when you stated Rude_Ruca said: The ONLY word for God in Islam is Allah.

I found you a list of 99 names for god in Islam. Try to do some basic research before you post.

BTW you did very well with some basic math 2 2 ^= 5 but you still need to work on it for you believe that 1 = 99.

You remain stupid, ignorant, racist, and only deserve our contempt.



Actually, I wasn't wrong. The only word for "GOD" in Arabic/Islam is Allah. In fact, most Muslims AND Imams would tell you, and even though the Qur'an, Like the Bible is translated into other languages, the only TRUE way to understand the Qur'an, Hadith are to know Arabic. The other names, as your source so specifically illustrates, are entirely different and are more or less a reference to Allah. And again, Islam is not a race, it is an ideology that will in fact wipe out western civilization as we know it.



I get it. When you say

Rude_Ruca said: The ONLY word for God in Islam is Allah.


You intend to say Arabic and not Islam. Moving goalposts?

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JUL 20, 2008 07:02 PM

IDGAS said:

Rude_Ruca said:

IDGAS said:

Rude_Ruca said: The problem is, Idgas wants me to see his belief that 2 plus 2 = 5, whereas I know that it equals 4. Sorry, his math just doesn't add up. Leads me to the whole apples and oranges analogy, actually...but thanks for weighing in!



No, I informed you that you were wrong (what a surprise) when you stated Rude_Ruca said: The ONLY word for God in Islam is Allah.

I found you a list of 99 names for god in Islam. Try to do some basic research before you post.

BTW you did very well with some basic math 2 2 ^= 5 but you still need to work on it for you believe that 1 = 99.

You remain stupid, ignorant, racist, and only deserve our contempt.



Actually, I wasn't wrong. The only word for "GOD" in Arabic/Islam is Allah. In fact, most Muslims AND Imams would tell you, and even though the Qur'an, Like the Bible is translated into other languages, the only TRUE way to understand the Qur'an, Hadith are to know Arabic. The other names, as your source so specifically illustrates, are entirely different and are more or less a reference to Allah. And again, Islam is not a race, it is an ideology that will in fact wipe out western civilization as we know it.



I get it. When you say

Rude_Ruca said: The ONLY word for God in Islam is Allah.


You intend to say Arabic and not Islam. Moving goalposts?



Good point.

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