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Asshole Fuckface Roundup #55

Submitted by FearTheReaper

Edited by erin_broadley

Tags: Republicans, Gas Crisis, South Carolina, Dubai,

Wow. Here we are. Who knew we would make it another week and enjoy the horrors of the Asshole Fuckface Roundup together? Sadly, I had much to choose from this week. Some of the Fuckfaces only received a second place nod on my blog. I gathered the rest together so that your eyes may feast on the depths of mankind. And here they are. I’ve scoured the news for the worst people on Earth, so that you may feel better about yourself by looking down on them. So, put on a giant plastic lampshade because this is going to be horrible.

First up, Dubai shows us their Asshole Fuckface skills.

Dubai has gotten a bit of a reputation as a place where the rich go to play. That is all well and good, as long as they aren’t gay. This week Dubai “cracked down” on gay people.


Police in the Gulf tourist hub of Dubai say they've detained 17 foreign men for allegedly being gay and wearing women's clothing in malls and other public places.


Thank God you Asshole Fuckfaces cracked down on the terrible crime of men wearing women’s clothing, while you walk around in white moo moos. A Dubai paper claimed 40 were arrested. Nobody can explain the difference in the numbers.


The paper quotes Dubai's police chief as saying the arrests are part of a campaign against "transvestites."

Despite Dubai's Western outlook, homosexuality is illegal in the Muslim city-state.


Right. That and they arrest people for having less than a grain of salt worth of pot on the sole of their shoe. Here’s a tip: Don’t visit Dubai. Ever.

Next up, our gay hating Asshole Fuckfaces.

South Carolina doesn’t like being called gay. Not at all. A lot of Asshole Fuckfaces in the state are upset with a London Tube ad that claims, "South Carolina is so gay."



The ad was created by a London gay tour operator to encourage tourism to “gay-friendly” areas. I guess that didn’t work out so well.

Republican State Senator David Thomas lost his straight shit.


"South Carolinians will be irate when they learn their hard-earned tax dollars are being spent to advertise our state as 'so gay.'"


Right. And it will cause gay confusion.


They'll get off the plane and say, 'Where are the gay beaches?' and no one will know what they are talking about.


Dude, beaches don’t have a sexual preference. Just a tip. Also, you are a horribly uptight, straight man who is scared of gay people. How much do you want to bet there are “gay beaches” all over the place and no one told you?


Andrew Roberts, CEO of Amro Worldwide, visited South Carolina after the state's tourism board expressed interest in the campaign, and says he toured several gay venues, including largely gay sections of mainstream beaches, in Charleston, Hilton Head Island and Myrtle Beach. "A few people in South Carolina need to wake up to what's going on in their state," he says. "There are more gay bars along that coastal strip than there are in Vegas."


Uh oh. Them’s fightin’ words. Did you just call my beach “gay?” Huh? I’ll kick your ass.

The posters also advertised the gay-friendly cities Atlanta, Boston, Las Vegas, New Orleans and Washington, D.C. No one gave a shit in those cities. But South Carolina refused to pay the $5,000 advertising fee, asked that the posters be removed, and a state employee was forced to resign. Good work.

Next up, an Asshole Fuckface needs to stop the party.

Meet Robert Hood, of Caldwell, Texas. He’s 44-years-old and he is just getting the party started. Holy shit is he getting the party started.

Hood was arrested for a DUI on Sunday in Omaha, Nebraska, July 4 in Mitchell, South Dakota, July 7 in Deadwood, South Dakota, and on July 8 in Platte County, Wyoming. I am very impressed by anyone who is arrested two days in a row in two different states for DUI. It’s time for Bobby to get a bumper sticker that says, “Can’t Stop The Party.”

Ready for the good news?


Robert Hood, of Caldwell, Texas, was released after posting $200, or 10 percent of the $2,000 bail, Otoe County Jail officials said.


The system works! Seriously, though, a real life Ronnie Dobbs is out there, people. Stay low.

Next up, some Asshole Fuckface parents have no boundaries.

Stephanie Martinez was working as a clerk at Pizza Patron in Denton, Texas last weekend. Suddenly, a robber burst in, wearing a wig and sunglasses and said, “Give me the money!” Stephanie began emptying out her register, when the other clerk went Charles Bronson on his ass.


And then [the other clerk] hit him and knocked him out and knocked off his wig and I dropped the money. I said, ‘Don’t hit him again! That’s my dad!’


Uh. I’m sorry, what did you say? Turns out the entire family is chock full O’ Asshole Fuckfaces. The wife was also arrested. Oh, and Stephanie sort of knew what was going on.


Sgt. James Brett said Martinez's husband told them she didn't know about the robbery. He said she knew they were going to rob someplace but she thought it was going to be a convenience store.


Oh, that’s cool. Seriously, no worries. As long as she didn’t know it was specifically going to be the pizza place she works at, we’re cool. She sounds like a great woman and nothing like her father.


Martinez said she is concerned her mother may be deported.


I’m not.

Stephanie isn’t very close with her father, mostly because of the jail thing.


Martinez called her father a career criminal and said she has written him off.

"He's always been in jail. It's the same thing to me," she said.


Really? Well, he just tried to reach out to you; maybe you should give him a chance. Stephanie’s mom, dad and husband were all arrested. Stephanie is free to breed and keep this genetic marvel going.

And, finally, the many Asshole Fuckfaces of the Republican Party.

You know you have taken the wrong position when you have to blatantly lie to get people on your side. The current ridiculous talking point of the right wing is that “not a drop of oil was spilled” during Hurricane Katrina.



It’s obviously a talking point, because they are all saying the exact same line. All of the Asshole Fuckfaces were allowed to repeat a lie on a major news channel without a reporter questioning the validity of their statement. They appeared on CNN, CNN Headline News, Fox Business Network, Fox News, and MSNBC.

Here’s the truth, and I included a pretty picture.



Due to hurricanes Katrina and Rita, there were 124 offshore oil spills that released a total of 743,700 gallons of oil. The largest single spill was 152,250 gallons, which is considered to be a “major spill.” Onshore, there were 595 oil spills. Altogether, 9 million gallons were spilled. Just to compare, the Exxon Valdez spilled 10.8 million gallons.


The quantity and cumulative magnitude of the 595 spills, which were spread across four states and struck offshore and inland, rank these two hurricanes among the worst environmental disasters in U.S. history. Some have even compared the total amount of oil released — estimated at 9 million gallons — to the tragedy of Exxon Valdez.


Nine million gallons or not a drop. Easy mistake to make. Finally, yesterday, one of the only decent journalists in America (who Hillary Clinton tried to get fired) questioned the bullshit talking point.



Jesus. She just lied again to cover for her lie. Spills and seeps cannot be compared.


The key difference has to do with release rates and spatial concentration of the oil. Seeps release large amounts of oil over large areas of the ocean gradually throughout the year. Spills release large amounts of oil from a point source in a short time.



This is going to be a long summer of Asshole Fuckfacery.

Congrats to all of this week's Asshole Fuckfaces. You each win a FearTheReaper leather helmet.

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Rude_Ruca

Rude_Ruca

I'm lost
December 2004

JUL 20, 2008 04:25 PM

Sick said:

Rude_Ruca said:

FreakPirate said:
You want them to abolish part of the Koran... Seriously? Your brain would explode if anyone suggested abolishing part of the Bible. In fact, I know you'd be here completely losing your shit.



When you can, or anyone for that matter, can find the portion of the bible that calls for the total infinite killing, conquering and/or subjugation of a specific race, creed, and/or religious group, you let me know.



1 Sam. 15:2-3

[2] Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
[3] Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.



Deuteronomy 25:17-19

[17] Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt;
[18] How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God.
[19] Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it.



And in case you anyone thinks this a singular event, there's Numbers 31:1-18.

[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
[3] And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
[4] Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
[5] So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
[6] And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
[7] And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
[8] And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
[9] And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
[10] And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
[11] And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
[12] And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
[13] And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
[14] And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
[15] And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
[16] Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
[17] Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
[18] But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.



Want to discuss the Bible some more?



Sure, let's have at it. I couldn't agree with you more that these instances were, even if isolated, were inhumane. Also, please see my post just above this reply, it will answer some of your questions regarding my views. We can do this alllll flippin' day if you'd prefer. I already said, any Christian or Jew would be NUTS to deny that the old testament is stained with blood, however, in the Christian faith, Jesus being sent as the savior of man makes it so that this kind of violent sprawl did not need to take place and that our sins be forgiven for our transgressions. Also, again, this is not, even as horrible as it is, an infinite command to kill conquer and or subjugate. Isolated incident, here.

Rude_Ruca

Rude_Ruca

I'm lost
December 2004

JUL 20, 2008 04:26 PM

Bastardo said:

Rude_Ruca said:

FreakPirate said:
Oh good lord in whatever bullshit form you worship him... You are just the most clueless girl in the world aren't you?

I don't care about Jesus and the sins of man crap. I don't. The point is, you don't do the horrible shit in the Bible. You follow the good stuff (or claim to at least...) and don't do the murder, slavery and death. MY point is that the majority of Muslims are able to do the EXACT SAME MOTHERFUCKING THING! No "infinite death". No "killing the Great White Satan". Some nice (and they are very lovely sounding) prayers a few times a day, a trip to Mecca if they can manage and putting up with their fellow men and women. And there are plenty capable of doing it while paying taxes, living the American Dream and being a wonderful part of "western civilization".



Again, the great divide is in the infinite call, or, I am sorry, commanding of seeking out the infidels wherever they dwell and killing, conquering and/or subjugating them per the Qur'an. Sure, there are a lot of "nice" Muslims, as you say, but there has been no reformation of their religion. Whereas in the new testament, there are more civilized ways of repentance.

Furthermore, there is the ever important command to follow the laws of the land in the old testament. If the laws of the land, even if based on secular notions, command one to refrain from killing in ANY capacity, no matter HOW closely you follow the old testament, that command from the Judeo-Christian God still stands and must be recognized. That being said, it is illegal, not to mention barbaric and inhumane, to kill someone based on the transgressions mentioned in Leviticus. And, many of the same people in this thread arguing with me love to make the argument that the US is not built upon Judeo-Christian foundations, always of course citing Thomas Jefferson quotes. So, what is it then? Are we or are we not a singularly Judeo-Christian society whose rules and regulations are directly from the Bible??

Another thing you must understand, we are dealing with Muslim nations who, if they govern according to the Qur'an based Sharia Law system, act accordingly when there is a violation. THAT is why, my friend, places like Dubai and Pakistan feel that they can strong arm, if not punish by death, gays and transvestites.



Does i get t tiring, clicking on all the ignored people's comments just to see what put-down they typed? I'm curious if it adds to the repetitive stress injuries,



Actually, you are the only person in the current portion of this thread who I have on ignore. So, no, I am pretty good, but thanks for the consideration

Rude_Ruca

Rude_Ruca

I'm lost
December 2004

JUL 20, 2008 04:27 PM

jason said:

Rude_Ruca said:
And, you know, what KILLS me? I have always taken you as sooooo freakin' intelligent, yet you insist on calling me a racist?


i really wish you would stop running off at the mouth long enough to add this up.



The problem is, Idgas wants me to see his belief that 2 plus 2 = 5, whereas I know that it equals 4. Sorry, his math just doesn't add up. Leads me to the whole apples and oranges analogy, actually...but thanks for weighing in!

Bastardo

Bastardo

Boston, MA
January 2005

JUL 20, 2008 04:30 PM

Rude_Ruca said:

Bastardo said:

Rude_Ruca said:

FreakPirate said:
Oh good lord in whatever bullshit form you worship him... You are just the most clueless girl in the world aren't you?

I don't care about Jesus and the sins of man crap. I don't. The point is, you don't do the horrible shit in the Bible. You follow the good stuff (or claim to at least...) and don't do the murder, slavery and death. MY point is that the majority of Muslims are able to do the EXACT SAME MOTHERFUCKING THING! No "infinite death". No "killing the Great White Satan". Some nice (and they are very lovely sounding) prayers a few times a day, a trip to Mecca if they can manage and putting up with their fellow men and women. And there are plenty capable of doing it while paying taxes, living the American Dream and being a wonderful part of "western civilization".



Again, the great divide is in the infinite call, or, I am sorry, commanding of seeking out the infidels wherever they dwell and killing, conquering and/or subjugating them per the Qur'an. Sure, there are a lot of "nice" Muslims, as you say, but there has been no reformation of their religion. Whereas in the new testament, there are more civilized ways of repentance.

Furthermore, there is the ever important command to follow the laws of the land in the old testament. If the laws of the land, even if based on secular notions, command one to refrain from killing in ANY capacity, no matter HOW closely you follow the old testament, that command from the Judeo-Christian God still stands and must be recognized. That being said, it is illegal, not to mention barbaric and inhumane, to kill someone based on the transgressions mentioned in Leviticus. And, many of the same people in this thread arguing with me love to make the argument that the US is not built upon Judeo-Christian foundations, always of course citing Thomas Jefferson quotes. So, what is it then? Are we or are we not a singularly Judeo-Christian society whose rules and regulations are directly from the Bible??

Another thing you must understand, we are dealing with Muslim nations who, if they govern according to the Qur'an based Sharia Law system, act accordingly when there is a violation. THAT is why, my friend, places like Dubai and Pakistan feel that they can strong arm, if not punish by death, gays and transvestites.



Does i get t tiring, clicking on all the ignored people's comments just to see what put-down they typed? I'm curious if it adds to the repetitive stress injuries,



Actually, you are the only person in the current portion of this thread who I have on ignore. So, no, I am pretty good, but thanks for the consideration



Well that's weird considering we've had one interaction prior to this and that was only to warn you that you were dealing with a guy who fucked vacuums. How does that constitute an "ignoral"?

Rude_Ruca

Rude_Ruca

I'm lost
December 2004

JUL 20, 2008 04:31 PM

Bastardo said:

Rude_Ruca said:

Bastardo said:

Rude_Ruca said:

FreakPirate said:
Oh good lord in whatever bullshit form you worship him... You are just the most clueless girl in the world aren't you?

I don't care about Jesus and the sins of man crap. I don't. The point is, you don't do the horrible shit in the Bible. You follow the good stuff (or claim to at least...) and don't do the murder, slavery and death. MY point is that the majority of Muslims are able to do the EXACT SAME MOTHERFUCKING THING! No "infinite death". No "killing the Great White Satan". Some nice (and they are very lovely sounding) prayers a few times a day, a trip to Mecca if they can manage and putting up with their fellow men and women. And there are plenty capable of doing it while paying taxes, living the American Dream and being a wonderful part of "western civilization".



Again, the great divide is in the infinite call, or, I am sorry, commanding of seeking out the infidels wherever they dwell and killing, conquering and/or subjugating them per the Qur'an. Sure, there are a lot of "nice" Muslims, as you say, but there has been no reformation of their religion. Whereas in the new testament, there are more civilized ways of repentance.

Furthermore, there is the ever important command to follow the laws of the land in the old testament. If the laws of the land, even if based on secular notions, command one to refrain from killing in ANY capacity, no matter HOW closely you follow the old testament, that command from the Judeo-Christian God still stands and must be recognized. That being said, it is illegal, not to mention barbaric and inhumane, to kill someone based on the transgressions mentioned in Leviticus. And, many of the same people in this thread arguing with me love to make the argument that the US is not built upon Judeo-Christian foundations, always of course citing Thomas Jefferson quotes. So, what is it then? Are we or are we not a singularly Judeo-Christian society whose rules and regulations are directly from the Bible??

Another thing you must understand, we are dealing with Muslim nations who, if they govern according to the Qur'an based Sharia Law system, act accordingly when there is a violation. THAT is why, my friend, places like Dubai and Pakistan feel that they can strong arm, if not punish by death, gays and transvestites.



Does i get t tiring, clicking on all the ignored people's comments just to see what put-down they typed? I'm curious if it adds to the repetitive stress injuries,



Actually, you are the only person in the current portion of this thread who I have on ignore. So, no, I am pretty good, but thanks for the consideration



Well that's weird considering we've had one interaction prior to this and that was only to warn you that you were dealing with a guy who fucked vacuums. How does that constitute an "ignoral"?



Sweetheart, in life there are going to be many people who dislike you...this is not the place to discuss. In fact, I can take you off of ignore for a brief moment if you want to take this to a PM. However, let's tick to the topic at hand, shall we? Thanks!

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

JUL 20, 2008 04:33 PM

Rude_Ruca said:

Sure, there are a lot of "nice" Muslims, as you say, but there has been no reformation of their religion.



So? If you honestly believe that "reforming" Islam is going to make fundamentalists go away you're dumber than your posts lead us to believe. Funny thing about reformation... not everyone picks it up and runs with it. You'll still get traditionalists. In fact, you'll probably piss them off even more. People STILL believe the bad shit in the Bible even if someone tells them "it's okay, we had a re-write".

Are we or are we not a singularly Judeo-Christian society whose rules and regulations are directly from the Bible??



No, you're not.

mogwai_

mogwai_

USA
February 2008

JUL 20, 2008 04:35 PM

Rude_Ruca said:
Sweetheart, in life there are going to be many people who dislike you...



you should listen, she seems to be the expert on that

IDGAS

IDGAS

Boston, MA
March 2004

JUL 20, 2008 04:35 PM

Rude_Ruca said: The problem is, Idgas wants me to see his belief that 2 plus 2 = 5, whereas I know that it equals 4. Sorry, his math just doesn't add up. Leads me to the whole apples and oranges analogy, actually...but thanks for weighing in!



No, I informed you that you were wrong (what a surprise) when you stated Rude_Ruca said: The ONLY word for God in Islam is Allah.

I found you a list of 99 names for god in Islam. Try to do some basic research before you post.

BTW you did very well with some basic math 2 2 ^= 5 but you still need to work on it for you believe that 1 = 99.

You remain stupid, ignorant, racist, and only deserve our contempt.

Bastardo

Bastardo

Boston, MA
January 2005

JUL 20, 2008 04:37 PM

Rude_Ruca said:

Sweetheart, in life there are going to be many people who dislike you...this is not the place to discuss. In fact, I can take you off of ignore for a brief moment if you want to take this to a PM. However, let's tick to the topic at hand, shall we? Thanks!



Wow, this just got creepy pretty quickly. Why do it PM? The internet is big enough as is.

Rude_Ruca

Rude_Ruca

I'm lost
December 2004

JUL 20, 2008 04:37 PM

FreakPirate said:

Rude_Ruca said:

Sure, there are a lot of "nice" Muslims, as you say, but there has been no reformation of their religion.



So? If you honestly believe that "reforming" Islam is going to make fundamentalists go away you're dumber than your posts lead us to believe. Funny thing about reformation... not everyone picks it up and runs with it. You'll still get traditionalists. In fact, you'll probably piss them off even more. People STILL believe the bad shit in the Bible even if someone tells them "it's okay, we had a re-write".

Are we or are we not a singularly Judeo-Christian society whose rules and regulations are directly from the Bible??



No, you're not.



Sorry. Keep forgetting you are Canadian. You just seem to care..soo fucking much about this, it's hard to remember that you aren't another drone rooting along with the other Obamabots. Again, when the US is based on the laws and regulations of Leviticus, we will talk. Until then, keep in mind, our law enforcement and media makes sure that the evangelical fundies are sought out and don't get too out of line. You can't really convict someone if your laws condone the very act of terrorism they are committing or attempting to commit.

Rude_Ruca

Rude_Ruca

I'm lost
December 2004

JUL 20, 2008 04:38 PM

casperc1 said:

Rude_Ruca said:
Sweetheart, in life there are going to be many people who dislike you...



you should listen, she seems to be the expert on that



Hey, not everyone is gonna get along there, pal. Even at the ripe young age of 25 I have that realized...

Rude_Ruca

Rude_Ruca

I'm lost
December 2004

JUL 20, 2008 04:39 PM

Bastardo said:

Rude_Ruca said:

Sweetheart, in life there are going to be many people who dislike you...this is not the place to discuss. In fact, I can take you off of ignore for a brief moment if you want to take this to a PM. However, let's tick to the topic at hand, shall we? Thanks!



Wow, this just got creepy pretty quickly. Why do it PM? The internet is big enough as is.



I am not going to discuss it with you here in the middle of a religious and political debate. End of story. And, furthermore, why the FUCK do you even care!?!!? Actually, wait, no, really, PM me. We are not talking here. Period.

sick

sick

Minneapolis, MN
June 2003

JUL 20, 2008 04:40 PM

Rude_Ruca said:

Sick said:

Rude_Ruca said:

FreakPirate said:
You want them to abolish part of the Koran... Seriously? Your brain would explode if anyone suggested abolishing part of the Bible. In fact, I know you'd be here completely losing your shit.



When you can, or anyone for that matter, can find the portion of the bible that calls for the total infinite killing, conquering and/or subjugation of a specific race, creed, and/or religious group, you let me know.


SPOILERS! (Click to view)

1 Sam. 15:2-3

[2] Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
[3] Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.



Deuteronomy 25:17-19

[17] Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt;
[18] How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God.
[19] Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it.



And in case you anyone thinks this a singular event, there's Numbers 31:1-18.

[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
[3] And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
[4] Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
[5] So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
[6] And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
[7] And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
[8] And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
[9] And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
[10] And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
[11] And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
[12] And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
[13] And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
[14] And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
[15] And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
[16] Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
[17] Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
[18] But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.



Want to discuss the Bible some more?



Sure, let's have at it. I couldn't agree with you more that these instances were, even if isolated, were inhumane. Also, please see my post just above this reply, it will answer some of your questions regarding my views. We can do this alllll flippin' day if you'd prefer. I already said, any Christian or Jew would be NUTS to deny that the old testament is stained with blood, however, in the Christian faith, Jesus being sent as the savior of man makes it so that this kind of violent sprawl did not need to take place and that our sins be forgiven for our transgressions. Also, again, this is not, even as horrible as it is, an infinite command to kill conquer and or subjugate. Isolated incident, here.



You requested, and I quote, "the portion of the bible that calls for the total infinite killing, conquering and/or subjugation of a specific race, creed, and/or religious group."

You in know way requested it be discussed in the context of Jesus' sacrifice, or any other teachings of Christianity.

But you're correct; the above incidents aren't commands to kill, conquer, and/or subjugate. They are, in fact, commands to completely erase the Amalekites and Midians from the face of the earth.

Sounds like genocide to me.

Isolated incident? Once is an isolated incident. Twice is the start of a pattern.

Edit: Added spoiler to cut down length.

Quirky

Quirky

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

JUL 20, 2008 04:41 PM

Simply put, Jehovah is a misanthrope. S/he will always be out to destroy human beings in new and interesting ways, while her/his control of the clergy is absolute. S/he is more like Loki than a just and loving being.

And guess what, s/he is the basis of our laws.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JUL 20, 2008 04:43 PM

Rude_Ruca said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Sick said:

Rude_Ruca said:

FreakPirate said:
You want them to abolish part of the Koran... Seriously? Your brain would explode if anyone suggested abolishing part of the Bible. In fact, I know you'd be here completely losing your shit.



When you can, or anyone for that matter, can find the portion of the bible that calls for the total infinite killing, conquering and/or subjugation of a specific race, creed, and/or religious group, you let me know.



1 Sam. 15:2-3

[2] Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
[3] Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.



Deuteronomy 25:17-19

[17] Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt;
[18] How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God.
[19] Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it.



And in case you anyone thinks this a singular event, there's Numbers 31:1-18.

[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
[3] And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
[4] Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
[5] So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
[6] And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
[7] And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
[8] And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
[9] And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
[10] And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
[11] And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
[12] And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
[13] And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
[14] And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
[15] And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
[16] Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
[17] Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
[18] But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.



Want to discuss the Bible some more?



Sure, let's have at it. I couldn't agree with you more that these instances were, even if isolated, were inhumane. Also, please see my post just above this reply, it will answer some of your questions regarding my views. We can do this alllll flippin' day if you'd prefer. I already said, any Christian or Jew would be NUTS to deny that the old testament is stained with blood, however, in the Christian faith, Jesus being sent as the savior of man makes it so that this kind of violent sprawl did not need to take place and that our sins be forgiven for our transgressions. Also, again, this is not, even as horrible as it is, an infinite command to kill conquer and or subjugate. Isolated incident, here.



Not even close to an isolated incident. You're funny.

Delusional, but funny.

Ok, you're not really that funny either.

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