joker_ said:

What was that about non-violence?

Rude_Ruca said:

Now, I can assume, you or anyone for that matter, will use the quick and easy route of citing Leviticus as your ObaMessiah has so conveniently issued a statement on for his flock of blubbering, quivering sheep.

Rude_Ruca said:

When you can, or anyone for that matter, can find the portion of the bible that calls for the total infinite killing, conquering and/or subjugation of a specific race, creed, and/or religious group, you let me know. And NO, I would NOT go ape shit if there was a panel of respectable ministers and priests that sanctioned it be removed from the bible. Now, I can assume, you or anyone for that matter, will use the quick and easy route of citing Leviticus as your ObaMessiah has so conveniently issued a statement on for his flock of blubbering, quivering sheep. Do I agree with these passages and commands? most certainly not. However, I am reasonable enough of a follower to know and understand that these offenses that are referred to are, as Christians, no longer to be punishable by death at the hand of man. Enter Christ's dying on the cross for the followers. By that, it is believed by Christians, the same things that were referred to in Leviticus as being punishable by death could now be forgiven by the blood of Christ. That's just how it works.

FreakPirate said:

Well, I'm Canadian so it doesn't really matter to me what Obama has to say about Levisitcus. But... you should. See, you seem to be just fine with hand picking sections of the Koran to damn an entire religion. But suddenly no one is allowed to do that to you? Bull. Fucking. Shit.

You are aware that the majority of Muslims (like the majority of Christians) just want to be left the fuck alone right? That the "evil Islamic world" is a handful of fringers? That most people are reasonable and rational enough to fucking know better than to go around killing people. Or are you really that thick? Because that's certainly the impression you give off.

Chainlink said:

You do know that part where Jesus comes back a second time, and he ain't no lamb, right ?

IDGAS said:

Your arrogance is amazing, you argue against a religion while being so ignorant about it.

BTW, the 99 names of god (Allah)

You are stupid, ignorant, racist, and only deserve our contempt.

IDGAS said:
the 99 names of god (Allah)

Rude_Ruca said:

All I am saying is that the text, and the belief are prime breeding grounds for terrorism, not to mention some of the desolation from which these terrorists arise (with, of course the exception of Osama bin Laden, I am referring more or less to the recruits into these cells.) All they need to do to manipulate new recruits is refer to the text in and of itself. It sanctions, for crying out loud, their actions!

Like, I said, fine, BE Muslim and live a happy fulfilling life, but abolish the parts of the Qur'an that are a threat to western civilization.

Furthermore, I believe you are having a case of hardheadedness, as I assured you I do not condone those portions of the old testament, but I had to remind you that part of being a Christian, which I can see you do not grasp, is that the belief in Christ as the lord and savior, and that he can forgive you of your sins, even those mentioned in the old testament AND that you take the necessary steps to rid yourself of said sins, that you will be forgiven in a fashion that does not require anyone to lose their life.

FreakPirate said:

Again, this is NO different than the Bible. This is how you get people killing abortion doctors, beating gays to death, starting cults and getting blown up in Texas.

Or.. you know... do what you do and just DON'T DO THAT SHIT! Like most reasonable people... You don't keep slaves I assume? Or condone killing homosexuals? But you're fine with that stuff being in the Bible right? Why can't you let Muslims have their book, as it always has been, and be happy with the majority of them following the nice, peaceful bits? You can't make those sections disappear. People will still know about it and those that go out killing because of it aren't going to stop because other people tell them it's wrong. If that worked, no one would ever get killed over anything.

And you're missing the point where I really don't give a shit about any of that. My problem is your ridiculous double standards.

FreakPirate said: Why can't you let Muslims have their book, as it always has been, and be happy with the majority of them following the nice, peaceful bits? You can't make those sections disappear. People will still know about it and those that go out killing because of it aren't going to stop because other people tell them it's wrong. If that worked, no one would ever get killed over anything.

Rude_Ruca said:
I find it amusing that the Islam sympathizers completely avoid the topic at hand, the fact that the government of Dubai is instructing it's law enforcement to arrest transvestites and any gay man that may be suspicious of participating in this lifestyle based, in fact, off of religious text, and would rather correct me on my criticism of "the second largest religion in the world"

Rude_Ruca said:

All I am saying is that the text, and the belief are prime breeding grounds for terrorism, not to mention some of the desolation from which these terrorists arise (with, of course the exception of Osama bin Laden, I am referring more or less to the recruits into these cells.) All they need to do to manipulate new recruits is refer to the text in and of itself. It sanctions, for crying out loud, their actions! Like, I said, fine, BE Muslim and live a happy fulfilling life, but abolish the parts of the Qur'an that are a threat to western civilization. Furthermore, I believe you are having a case of hardheadedness, as I assured you I do not condone those portions of the old testament,

but I had to remind you that part of being a Christian, which I can see you do not grasp, is that the belief in Christ as the lord and savior, and that he can forgive you of your sins,

. . . even those mentioned in the old testament AND that you take the necessary steps to rid yourself of said sins, that you will be forgiven in a fashion that does not require anyone to lose their life.

Rude_Ruca said:

When you can, or anyone for that matter, can find the portion of the bible that calls for the total infinite killing, conquering and/or subjugation of a specific race, creed, and/or religious group, you let me know.

[2] Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
[3] Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

[17] Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt;
[18] How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God.
[19] Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it.

[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
[3] And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
[4] Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
[5] So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
[6] And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
[7] And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
[8] And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
[9] And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
[10] And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
[11] And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
[12] And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
[13] And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
[14] And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
[15] And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
[16] Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
[17] Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
[18] But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Rude_Ruca said:
And, you know, what KILLS me? I have always taken you as sooooo freakin' intelligent, yet you insist on calling me a racist?

FreakPirate said:
Oh good lord in whatever bullshit form you worship him... You are just the most clueless girl in the world aren't you?

I don't care about Jesus and the sins of man crap. I don't. The point is, you don't do the horrible shit in the Bible. You follow the good stuff (or claim to at least...) and don't do the murder, slavery and death. MY point is that the majority of Muslims are able to do the EXACT SAME MOTHERFUCKING THING! No "infinite death". No "killing the Great White Satan". Some nice (and they are very lovely sounding) prayers a few times a day, a trip to Mecca if they can manage and putting up with their fellow men and women. And there are plenty capable of doing it while paying taxes, living the American Dream and being a wonderful part of "western civilization".

Rude_Ruca said:

Again, the great divide is in the infinite call, or, I am sorry, commanding of seeking out the infidels wherever they dwell and killing, conquering and/or subjugating them per the Qur'an. Sure, there are a lot of "nice" Muslims, as you say, but there has been no reformation of their religion. Whereas in the new testament, there are more civilized ways of repentance.

Furthermore, there is the ever important command to follow the laws of the land in the old testament. If the laws of the land, even if based on secular notions, command one to refrain from killing in ANY capacity, no matter HOW closely you follow the old testament, that command from the Judeo-Christian God still stands and must be recognized. That being said, it is illegal, not to mention barbaric and inhumane, to kill someone based on the transgressions mentioned in Leviticus. And, many of the same people in this thread arguing with me love to make the argument that the US is not built upon Judeo-Christian foundations, always of course citing Thomas Jefferson quotes. So, what is it then? Are we or are we not a singularly Judeo-Christian society whose rules and regulations are directly from the Bible??

Another thing you must understand, we are dealing with Muslim nations who, if they govern according to the Qur'an based Sharia Law system, act accordingly when there is a violation. THAT is why, my friend, places like Dubai and Pakistan feel that they can strong arm, if not punish by death, gays and transvestites.