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Middle Aged Lady Rage

THURSDAY MAY 22 2008 6:00 AM

Submitted by FearTheReaper. Edited By erin_broadley.

TAGS: Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Democratic Primary

Middle-aged women are pissed. Their great hope is going down in flames and losing to a black man, which is causing them to lose their minds. They are popping up on websites, in news interviews and on radio shows. Many of them say the same thing; they won�t vote for Barack Obama. I think their unofficial spokeswoman is Geraldine Ferraro, who this week told the New York Times she might not vote for Obama if he were the nominee.

�I think Obama was terribly sexist,� she said.

Uh. Wait. What the fuck? Ferrero made one of the most racist comments during this primary, and now she is�Holy Fucking Shit, what is wrong with these people? Seriously, does she ever say anything that is not mind-bogglingly retarded? Nope. Not as of yesterday, anyway.

All the surrogates that they had out there, from the black journalists � you know, have you read Bob Herbert recently in the past six months? There wasn't one column that had anything decent to say about Hillary.

Uh, yeah. It was the �black journalists� fault that Hillary ran the worst campaign since Rudy Giuliani. Why did we ever teach those Negroes to write? By the way, Gerry, have you watched Hillary in the last six months? There wasn�t anything decent to say, period.

Mass delusion seems to have set upon this country�s almost-old ladies. They are now blaming Obama for the media�s sexist attacks against Hillary � while at the same time completely ignoring the Clinton�s heinous and repeated racist attacks on Obama.

Nancy Wait, 55, a social worker in Columbia City, Ind., said Mr. Obama was far less qualified than Mrs. Clinton and described as condescending his recent assurances that Mrs. Clinton should stay in the race as long as she liked. Ms. Wait said she would �absolutely, positively not� vote for him come fall.

Oh, so he should have told her to get out? Hey, He Can�t Win Sally, shut the fuck up. Is Obama supposed to just not answer a question that is asked 100 times a day? Should he have made an �I�m locking my mouth and throwing away the key� move? Sorry what you expected to happen didn�t happen. Welcome to grown-up land. You know how many times my favorite candidate has become president in my lifetime? Zero. I still have yet to turn into the world�s biggest infant. You know why Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney were pressured to drop out? Turns out it wasn�t because they are women, but because there was no way they could win. If any of these women had a legitimate excuse to not vote for Obama, I�m all ears, but what I�m hearing now is just is bitterness crammed in between stupidity.

Cynthia Ruccia, 55, a sales director for Mary Kay cosmetics in Columbus, Ohio, is organizing a group, Clinton Supporters Count Too, of mostly women in swing states who plan to campaign against Mr. Obama in November. �We, the most loyal constituency, are being told to sit down, shut up and get to the back of the bus,� she said.

Wait. Your Democratic candidate was beaten by another Democratic candidate, so you�re going to do what you can to make sure a Republican wins the White House? What a fucking lunatic. I can totally understand her not wanting to vote for Obama because he doesn�t represent her views. That is what you are supposed to do in a Democracy, but this goes so far beyond that. They are planning to actively fight against what they believe in to help elect someone who greatly opposes their political beliefs. And they are doing so because of a self-created fantasy that involves them being told to �shut up and get in the back of the bus.� Which is weird, because that actually makes me want to tell them to shut up and get in the back of the bus.

I used to be a daily reader of a blog called TalkLeft. It�s actually an interesting blog because a lawyer created it and the two main bloggers talk about subjects from a liberal legal viewpoint. Up until a couple of months ago, I was a daily reader. But the sight became one of the few liberal blogs that supports Clinton. (The creator is a middle aged lady - go figure.) Going to the site and reading the comments is like taking a trip into an alternate universe. It is, quite simply, mind-boggling.

Why couldn't Obama have just let Hillary run and wait his turn? He's been in Washington about a minute and half. No one knows anything about him and he has sooooo little experience. I worry about who he would appoint to important jobs like State department and Defense and others.

Right. He might appoint Sinbad as Secretary of Defense.

I find comments that Obama should have waited his turn to be insulting. He�s supposed to wait for her? Why? Because she�s an �experienced woman?� And experienced women get to go before black guys? Does the experience part include voting the wrong way on Iraq? Because that�s one of the main reasons a lot of people aren�t supporting her. Just think how Hillary supporters would take this statement if the situation were reversed; if the black man was behind and telling the woman to wait her turn. They�d lose their fucking minds. Although, they are already losing their minds.

Tuesday Obama will try to steal the nomination in much the same way that Bush stole the 2000 election. He will declare victory when there is none.

He sees victory slipping away and is clinging to hope out of desperation.

His superdelegate endorsements have slowed to a trickle, if even that.

He is behind in the popular vote if we still value democracy and this is still a country made up of 50 states.

Well, no, no, no, no and no.

I realize I am just plucking messages off a board, but it's fun and easy -- oh, and they are examples of the mass delusion that seems to have overcome Clinton supporters. And Hillary is leading them on this path. Yesterday her campaign began this �stealing the election, count all the votes� drive. It is the most destructive path she can go down, which means she will. She is actually now running around comparing the Florida and Michigan situation to the Gore/Bush Florida 2000 election fiasco. Amazing.

The most annoying comment of all is the most often repeated comment.

You can�t handle a strong woman.

Totally. I�ll tell my wife, the doctor, I can�t handle her and I need her to stop making so much money, being so successful and shut the fuck up. Part of equality means taking the good with the bad, which means accepting when people judge a female candidate on her character and policies � not her sex. It's actually a step backwards for feminism not to do so.

Some of us can actually say �no� to a candidate because we don�t believe she�d be the best president � and that actually has nothing to do with the fact that she has a vagina. I understand some people are always going to have a problem with the idea of a woman president. But guess what, some people are also always going to have a problem with a black president.

And, while we�re at it, if the reason Hillary didn�t win is because of sexism, then how is it she won the white, working class male vote in most states? Please explain. How are men holding her back by voting for her? But her followers won�t even contemplate such a thought. It�s time to rage. It�s time to scream in anger that Hillary was the right candidate but the wrong gender, and completely ignore the obvious truth that she was the right gender but the wrong candidate.

Now, I�m not denying she took her share of lumps. Chris Mathews and his insanely sexist comments come to mind. And there were articles written about what she was wearing. They were incredibly sexist. The media would never do such a thing to a man and certainly not to a candidate from South Carolina who got an expensive haircut. No way a newspaper columnist at a political conference called him a �faggot�. That kind of shit only happens to women, because the country is sexist. Political pundits definitely wouldn�t call a Governor from Massachusetts a pretty boy, would they? Perish the thought.

Obviously the reason Clinton lost is because she is a woman. I mean, Obama has less experience than Hillary. Why would anyone pick the candidate with less experience, unless they were afraid of a strong woman? That�s why America chose Obama over Edwards, Richardson, Dodd, Kucinich and Biden � because they are all women. They had more experience, but they also had vaginas. And that�s why the less experienced Kennedy beat a female named Nixon, and less qualified Carter beat Lady Ford, and inexperienced Bill Clinton beat Granny Bush.

Now we will have to wait to see if these women carry out their threats.

We have a plan to campaign against the Democratic nominee. We have the (wo)manpower and the money to make our threat real. And there are millions of supporters who will back us up in the swing states. If you don�t listen to our voice now, you will hear from us later.

We're just at the boiling point. Women will sit back and be quiet about things for a while, but we've had enough. Unless Hillary Clinton is our nominee, we are not going to support the nominee.

Succumbing to threats is always the best way to choose a candidate. They are putting their lifetime of anger into this one political campaign and if it doesn�t happen, well, then they are going to kill everybody. This is different than past inside party conflicts. This is very different than John McCain against George Bush in 2000. This shit goes deep, this is a lifetime of rage and we�ve gone past the tipping point.

We are now into the scorched Earth phase. This idea is coming from the top. Hillary and her campaign have been pushing the sexism excuse for a week. They are combining it with �election theft� by saying the DNC conspired to make sure a man won the nomination. You�ve got to wonder how many more wounds she can open and dig into before this race is over. I�m starting to yearn for the days when she was launching vicious attacks on Obama, as they were probably less damaging.

The fascinating thing about this whole mess is that if Hillary were a man, she�d be gone by now. Long gone.

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Tallboy66

USA

January 2005

MAY 22, 2008 10:27 AM

55 is middle age?

I've heard more than one person tell me if Hillary doesn't get it they'll vote for McCain which I don't get but I do.

Yeah Obama is sexist, sweetie, he's sees things as a man just like Billary when he had Monica do some "work" for him.

I forget which talk show host said it but do you really want Bill back in the White House with a lot of time on his hands?

Mr_Matt_

Hollywood, FL

July 2005

MAY 22, 2008 10:30 AM

bean said:

Mr_Matt_ said:

wildswan said:

I do find it disturbing when Barack Obama's supporters don't mirror, in their behavior, what they claim to admire about Barack, the man.

Where's the comity and decorum, from those who claim it as their banner? It makes me wonder to what degree Obama has genuinely influenced his supporters.

Who are you talking about? Is it the article's author?

Anyways, NARAL still supports Obama. As do all of the women I know, even down here in dumb-ass Florida.

And yet, local NARAL chapters have had to promise to donors that while the national organization supports Obama, they endorse Clinton.

I never heard about this happening.

Nolan_Void

Salisbury, NC

July 2004

MAY 22, 2008 11:20 AM

If I may quote myself from the "Hillary is an Abomination" thread

Nolan_Void said:
I just don't get the zeal thing of Hillary supporters. If you support a candidate who loses the party's nomination, and the choice is between voting for someone who won it with similar ideals or someone who has ideals diametrically opposed to your own, they would rather choose the candidate who least represents their own ideals out of spite for having lost a dick-measuring contest.

I can't find the exact blurb, but I was reading USA Today this morning and one of the opinion columns stated that the writer (a Hillary supporter) was going to vote for McCain because Hillary has been badmouthed and treated so poorly throughout the election. That's the stupidest fucking reason for voting for a candidate that I've ever heard. What do they think McCain would say about Hillary if she won the nomination? That's she's a swell lady with great ideas?

But I guess since their ideas are so similar (voting for wars, supporting gas bills and NAFTA) it doesn't really seem like so much of a logical stretch to see Hillary supporters switching over to McCain. She'll probably end up being the McCain's running mate.

And furthermore

Nolan_Void said:
I don't hate Hillary, and I don't hate people who support her. I would vote for her over McCain if it came down to it, but it's not going to. I just don't understand what can make a person have "zeal," that is fanatical to the point of almost being religious fervor, for a candidate in politics. I just don't get it. What could a politician possibly mean to an individual that they would turn against their own best interests in order to "avenge" her loss at the hands of all the rest of the people in the country?

That's just fucking stupid. It's not hate, it's not anger, it's bemusement at how anyone alive in this modern age who is educated well enough to care about what is happening in the political world can feel or behave in that way.

For all the people who just soundly feel that they like Hillary's policies better, more power to you, because you are entitled to your own opinion. But she's lost, and she's acting kind of wacky now.

Nolan_Void

Salisbury, NC

July 2004

MAY 22, 2008 11:26 AM

Eh, to hell with it. This psychotic stuff is nothing new. I've been seeing it ever since Hillary started losing steadily. I don't even pretend to hope that the delusional will come around at some point. What I do hope is that there are more people who realize that the Democratic led congress is only as good as a President who won't veto their bills, and that if women really want to do a service to their own rights, they won't elect someone who would rather they all wear government issued chastity belts paid for by the donations of people who watch the 700 Club.

lavenir

Turlock, CA

June 2007

MAY 22, 2008 12:39 PM

Holy Fucking Shit, what is wrong with these people?

FTR. what do you mean by "these people"?

"We, the most loyal constituency, are being told to sit down, shut up and get to the back of the bus," she said.

Now it's my turn to say "holy fucking shit." Isn't "get to the back of the bus" a reference to another group of people who have historically been discriminated against in the States? I think there's someone in the election who belongs to that group, and it isn't Clinton......

lavenir

Turlock, CA

June 2007

MAY 22, 2008 12:52 PM

Tallboy66 said:
55 is middle age?

I've heard more than one person tell me if Hillary doesn't get it they'll vote for McCain which I don't get but I do.

Yeah Obama is sexist, sweetie, he's sees things as a man just like Billary when he had Monica do some "work" for him.

I forget which talk show host said it but do you really want Bill back in the White House with a lot of time on his hands?

I don't care how much oral sex politicans get as long as they do their jobs well. I don't expect them to be saints.

MisterEnrolled

Birmingham, AL

October 2005

MAY 22, 2008 01:17 PM

lavenir said:

Holy Fucking Shit, what is wrong with these people?

FTR. what do you mean by "these people"?

"We, the most loyal constituency, are being told to sit down, shut up and get to the back of the bus," she said.

Holy fucking shit, go get a sense of humor and don't take things out of context.

lavenir

Turlock, CA

June 2007

MAY 22, 2008 01:35 PM

Narghile said:

lavenir said:

Holy Fucking Shit, what is wrong with these people?

FTR. what do you mean by "these people"?

"We, the most loyal constituency, are being told to sit down, shut up and get to the back of the bus," she said.

Holy fucking shit, go get a sense of humor and don't take things out of context.

Actually, I was intentionally taking things out of context. Learn to detect these things.

ckdexterhaven

Redding, CA

December 2005

MAY 22, 2008 01:37 PM

wildswan said:
And in between the most ardent, nonobjective poles in both camps are the sensible people who ultimately care about the issues: court appointments, foreign policy issues, domestic issues, civil rights issues, environmental issues, etc. These are the people who realize that the two candidates share the same goals, and ultimately, that's the salient point.

I do find it disturbing when Barack Obama's supporters don't mirror, in their behavior, what they claim to admire about Barack, the man.

Where's the comity and decorum, from those who claim it as their banner? It makes me wonder to what degree Obama has genuinely influenced his supporters.

When Obama speaks positively of his opponent, is he being ignored by some of his supporters? Do some think that he's just saying that out of political expediency, and are just fine with that, all the while claiming that his apolitical approach is what distinguishes him from his peers?

I would add: These cartoonish characterizations won't help deal with the gravitas of the political reality: The Dems will, at the end of the day, need these "hysterical middle-aged, hot-flashing women' to win the White House.

Unless, of course, you're every bit as political as you claim not to be; and the issues that are more important than any individual candidate ever was, or ever should be, don't mean so much to you.

+1 on all of this.

OhSoOrdinary

New York, NY

July 2006

MAY 22, 2008 01:39 PM

Mr_Matt_ said:

Who are you talking about? Is it the article's author?

Anyways, NARAL still supports Obama. As do all of the women I know, even down here in dumb-ass Florida.

Well, I'm in the FloridaForObama listserv (organized from his website) and they are a bunch of petty, combative children. They take shots at Hillary whenever they can.

Hunter

SUICIDEGIRL

New York, USA

MAY 22, 2008 02:21 PM

I'm finding it tough to figure out what's motivating Hillary at this point. She's a very smart person, but clearly delusional in this area; something in her brain is malfunctioning. If Obama loses the general election because of her, everyone is going to hate her guts (except maybe those angry ladies). How will they feel when Obama loses and McCain appoints judges who then overturn Roe vs. Wade? It's truly psychotic of them to be willing to take such a huge hit to their own interests just to get back at Obama for beating HIllary fair and square.

Then again, I think a lot of it is talk, and when it comes down to it, any Hillary supporter with a rational bone in her body is going to vote for Obama over McCain when the time comes. At least, I'd like to give people that much credit.

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 22, 2008 02:24 PM

Josh Marshall:

"She is embarking on a gambit that is uncertain in its result and simply breathtaking in its cynicism.... What she's doing is not securing her the nomination. Rather, she's gunning up a lot of her supporters to believe that the nomination was stolen from her -- a belief many won't soon abandon. And that on the basis of rationales and arguments there's every reason to think she doesn't even believe in."

Carpetbagger Report:

"I've defended Clinton, more than once, when people said she was putting her own interests above those of the party and the nation. But after seeing her tactics yesterday, I'm done defending Hillary Clinton. I'm 35, and have been following politics for quite a while, and I've never been so disappointed with a politician I've admired and respected. Yesterday's tactics weren't just wrong, they were offensive.

BooMan:

"I think this delegitimization of Obama's victory is the act she will be most remembered for. And if Obama does not win the election in November, Clinton will join Ralph Nader in the left-wing Hall of Shame."

TNR:

"[T]his episode is very revealing about Clinton's character. [...] If she's consciously lying, it's a shockingly cynical move. I don't think she's lying. I think she's so convinced of her own morality and historical importance that she can whip herself into a moralistic fervor to support nearly any position that might benefit her, however crass and sleazy.... She is proving herself temperamentally unfit for the presidency."

Balloon Juice:

"What a contemptible wretch"

Matt Yglesias

"[H]er campaign has lost and is continuing to engage in bizarre and reckless behavior."

Markos:

"One of the wonders of this primary season has been the ability of the Clinton campaign -- including Hillary herself -- and their supporters to engage in some of the most patently ridiculous and bald faced lies, knowing that everyone else knows they are engaging in patently ridiculous and bald faced lies."

Lemieux:

"Clinton's campaign...is using these ridiculous Calvinball metrics to undermine the legitimacy of the Democratic nominee.... to send flacks to rile up other Democrats against Obama under these circumstances is a disgrace."

Atrios:

"It's weird, really, having in some sense started my political life defending the Clintons and now being rather fed up with them. I'm not important, but I'm not alone."

Huff Post:

"Every time she claims she has a popular majority, she's shattering whatever ceasefire exists and making it that much more likely that her supporters stay home come November. If she really wants a united party, she needs to stop, and the media and the superdelegates need to hold her accountable."

More Huff Post:

"Now that Clinton's hopes of winning the nomination are more distant than ever, this talk seems less about helping her campaign and more about hardening the attitudes of her supporters against Obama.... Already, Clinton can blame her campaign for tarnishing her family's legacy of connection to America's black voters. Will she also risk taking blame for sinking the general election by losing badly?"