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Middle Aged Lady Rage

THURSDAY MAY 22 2008 6:00 AM

Submitted by FearTheReaper. Edited By erin_broadley.

TAGS: Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Democratic Primary

Middle-aged women are pissed. Their great hope is going down in flames and losing to a black man, which is causing them to lose their minds. They are popping up on websites, in news interviews and on radio shows. Many of them say the same thing; they won’t vote for Barack Obama. I think their unofficial spokeswoman is Geraldine Ferraro, who this week told the New York Times she might not vote for Obama if he were the nominee.


“I think Obama was terribly sexist,” she said.


Uh. Wait. What the fuck? Ferrero made one of the most racist comments during this primary, and now she is…Holy Fucking Shit, what is wrong with these people? Seriously, does she ever say anything that is not mind-bogglingly retarded? Nope. Not as of yesterday, anyway.


All the surrogates that they had out there, from the black journalists — you know, have you read Bob Herbert recently in the past six months? There wasn't one column that had anything decent to say about Hillary.


Uh, yeah. It was the “black journalists” fault that Hillary ran the worst campaign since Rudy Giuliani. Why did we ever teach those Negroes to write? By the way, Gerry, have you watched Hillary in the last six months? There wasn’t anything decent to say, period.

Mass delusion seems to have set upon this country’s almost-old ladies. They are now blaming Obama for the media’s sexist attacks against Hillary – while at the same time completely ignoring the Clinton’s heinous and repeated racist attacks on Obama.


Nancy Wait, 55, a social worker in Columbia City, Ind., said Mr. Obama was far less qualified than Mrs. Clinton and described as condescending his recent assurances that Mrs. Clinton should stay in the race as long as she liked. Ms. Wait said she would “absolutely, positively not” vote for him come fall.


Oh, so he should have told her to get out? Hey, He Can’t Win Sally, shut the fuck up. Is Obama supposed to just not answer a question that is asked 100 times a day? Should he have made an “I’m locking my mouth and throwing away the key” move? Sorry what you expected to happen didn’t happen. Welcome to grown-up land. You know how many times my favorite candidate has become president in my lifetime? Zero. I still have yet to turn into the world’s biggest infant. You know why Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney were pressured to drop out? Turns out it wasn’t because they are women, but because there was no way they could win. If any of these women had a legitimate excuse to not vote for Obama, I’m all ears, but what I’m hearing now is just is bitterness crammed in between stupidity.


Cynthia Ruccia, 55, a sales director for Mary Kay cosmetics in Columbus, Ohio, is organizing a group, Clinton Supporters Count Too, of mostly women in swing states who plan to campaign against Mr. Obama in November. “We, the most loyal constituency, are being told to sit down, shut up and get to the back of the bus,” she said.


Wait. Your Democratic candidate was beaten by another Democratic candidate, so you’re going to do what you can to make sure a Republican wins the White House? What a fucking lunatic. I can totally understand her not wanting to vote for Obama because he doesn’t represent her views. That is what you are supposed to do in a Democracy, but this goes so far beyond that. They are planning to actively fight against what they believe in to help elect someone who greatly opposes their political beliefs. And they are doing so because of a self-created fantasy that involves them being told to “shut up and get in the back of the bus.” Which is weird, because that actually makes me want to tell them to shut up and get in the back of the bus.

I used to be a daily reader of a blog called TalkLeft. It’s actually an interesting blog because a lawyer created it and the two main bloggers talk about subjects from a liberal legal viewpoint. Up until a couple of months ago, I was a daily reader. But the sight became one of the few liberal blogs that supports Clinton. (The creator is a middle aged lady - go figure.) Going to the site and reading the comments is like taking a trip into an alternate universe. It is, quite simply, mind-boggling.


Why couldn't Obama have just let Hillary run and wait his turn? He's been in Washington about a minute and half. No one knows anything about him and he has sooooo little experience. I worry about who he would appoint to important jobs like State department and Defense and others.


Right. He might appoint Sinbad as Secretary of Defense.

I find comments that Obama should have waited his turn to be insulting. He’s supposed to wait for her? Why? Because she’s an “experienced woman?” And experienced women get to go before black guys? Does the experience part include voting the wrong way on Iraq? Because that’s one of the main reasons a lot of people aren’t supporting her. Just think how Hillary supporters would take this statement if the situation were reversed; if the black man was behind and telling the woman to wait her turn. They’d lose their fucking minds. Although, they are already losing their minds.


Tuesday Obama will try to steal the nomination in much the same way that Bush stole the 2000 election. He will declare victory when there is none.

He sees victory slipping away and is clinging to hope out of desperation.

His superdelegate endorsements have slowed to a trickle, if even that.

He is behind in the popular vote if we still value democracy and this is still a country made up of 50 states.


Well, no, no, no, no and no.

I realize I am just plucking messages off a board, but it's fun and easy -- oh, and they are examples of the mass delusion that seems to have overcome Clinton supporters. And Hillary is leading them on this path. Yesterday her campaign began this “stealing the election, count all the votes” drive. It is the most destructive path she can go down, which means she will. She is actually now running around comparing the Florida and Michigan situation to the Gore/Bush Florida 2000 election fiasco. Amazing.

The most annoying comment of all is the most often repeated comment.


You can’t handle a strong woman.


Totally. I’ll tell my wife, the doctor, I can’t handle her and I need her to stop making so much money, being so successful and shut the fuck up. Part of equality means taking the good with the bad, which means accepting when people judge a female candidate on her character and policies – not her sex. It's actually a step backwards for feminism not to do so.

Some of us can actually say “no” to a candidate because we don’t believe she’d be the best president – and that actually has nothing to do with the fact that she has a vagina. I understand some people are always going to have a problem with the idea of a woman president. But guess what, some people are also always going to have a problem with a black president.

And, while we’re at it, if the reason Hillary didn’t win is because of sexism, then how is it she won the white, working class male vote in most states? Please explain. How are men holding her back by voting for her? But her followers won’t even contemplate such a thought. It’s time to rage. It’s time to scream in anger that Hillary was the right candidate but the wrong gender, and completely ignore the obvious truth that she was the right gender but the wrong candidate.

Now, I’m not denying she took her share of lumps. Chris Mathews and his insanely sexist comments come to mind. And there were articles written about what she was wearing. They were incredibly sexist. The media would never do such a thing to a man and certainly not to a candidate from South Carolina who got an expensive haircut. No way a newspaper columnist at a political conference called him a “faggot”. That kind of shit only happens to women, because the country is sexist. Political pundits definitely wouldn’t call a Governor from Massachusetts a pretty boy, would they? Perish the thought.

Obviously the reason Clinton lost is because she is a woman. I mean, Obama has less experience than Hillary. Why would anyone pick the candidate with less experience, unless they were afraid of a strong woman? That’s why America chose Obama over Edwards, Richardson, Dodd, Kucinich and Biden – because they are all women. They had more experience, but they also had vaginas. And that’s why the less experienced Kennedy beat a female named Nixon, and less qualified Carter beat Lady Ford, and inexperienced Bill Clinton beat Granny Bush.

Now we will have to wait to see if these women carry out their threats.


We have a plan to campaign against the Democratic nominee. We have the (wo)manpower and the money to make our threat real. And there are millions of supporters who will back us up in the swing states. If you don’t listen to our voice now, you will hear from us later.

We're just at the boiling point. Women will sit back and be quiet about things for a while, but we've had enough. Unless Hillary Clinton is our nominee, we are not going to support the nominee.


Succumbing to threats is always the best way to choose a candidate. They are putting their lifetime of anger into this one political campaign and if it doesn’t happen, well, then they are going to kill everybody. This is different than past inside party conflicts. This is very different than John McCain against George Bush in 2000. This shit goes deep, this is a lifetime of rage and we’ve gone past the tipping point.

We are now into the scorched Earth phase. This idea is coming from the top. Hillary and her campaign have been pushing the sexism excuse for a week. They are combining it with “election theft” by saying the DNC conspired to make sure a man won the nomination. You’ve got to wonder how many more wounds she can open and dig into before this race is over. I’m starting to yearn for the days when she was launching vicious attacks on Obama, as they were probably less damaging.

The fascinating thing about this whole mess is that if Hillary were a man, she’d be gone by now. Long gone.

 

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Coyotemike

Coyotemike

Kearney, NE
May 2006

MAY 22, 2008 06:12 AM

They think his delegate count has slowed to a trickle? The candidate who went from needing 125 delegates to needing 63 in one week, and half of those came without primaries? (no, I didn't look at actual numbers, but that's gotta be close).

This is getting lame. This whole election cycle. And people were predicting this months ago. It seemed to be well known that whoever was losing, their supporters would claim the worst in the supporters of the winners: If you vote for Clinton, you must be a racist, if you vote for Obama, you must be a sexist.

Fuck this is tiring. This is mind numbing. This is ulcer-making . . .

And I wouldn't miss it for the world.

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Intercourse, PA
January 2006

MAY 22, 2008 06:26 AM


By the way, Gerry, have you watched Hillary in the last six months? There wasn't anything decent to say, period.



Quoted for the truth.


My mom is 63 and has been so disgusted by the way Hillary has run this race that back when the nomination was still up in the air she decided she wouldn't vote in November if Hillary was the nominee.

OneWithAll

OneWithAll

Charlton City, MA
October 2005

MAY 22, 2008 07:21 AM


We have a plan to campaign against the Democratic nominee. We have the (wo)manpower and the money to make our threat real. And there are millions of supporters who will back us up in the swing states. If you don't listen to our voice now, you will hear from us later.

We're just at the boiling point. Women will sit back and be quiet about things for a while, but we've had enough. Unless Hillary Clinton is our nominee, we are not going to support the nominee.



not

cool

NathanialBlood

NathanialBlood

United Kingdom
August 2006

MAY 22, 2008 07:34 AM

Wow I wonder how long till we have a woman prime mister oh wait we did that years ago blush

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

MAY 22, 2008 08:06 AM

And in between the most ardent, nonobjective poles in both camps are the sensible people who ultimately care about the issues: court appointments, foreign policy issues, domestic issues, civil rights issues, environmental issues, etc. These are the people who realize that the two candidates share the same goals, and ultimately, that's the salient point.


I do find it disturbing when Barack Obama's supporters don't mirror, in their behavior, what they claim to admire about Barack, the man.

Where's the comity and decorum, from those who claim it as their banner? It makes me wonder to what degree Obama has genuinely influenced his supporters.

When Obama speaks positively of his opponent, is he being ignored by some of his supporters? Do some think that he's just saying that out of political expediency, and are just fine with that, all the while claiming that his apolitical approach is what distinguishes him from his peers?


I would add: These cartoonish characterizations won't help deal with the gravitas of the political reality: The Dems will, at the end of the day, need these "hysterical middle-aged, hot-flashing women' to win the White House.


Unless, of course, you're every bit as political as you claim not to be; and the issues that are more important than any individual candidate ever was, or ever should be, don't mean so much to you.

Ascanius

Ascanius

South Royalton, VT
October 2006

MAY 22, 2008 08:12 AM

Never mind.

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

MAY 22, 2008 08:18 AM

Ascanius said:
Never mind.



Naw, go on ahead. Be as low rent as you wanna be. It's totally welcomed on these here boards.

Ascanius

Ascanius

South Royalton, VT
October 2006

MAY 22, 2008 08:24 AM

wildswan said:

Ascanius said:
Never mind.



Naw, go on ahead. Be as low rent as you wanna be. It's totally welcomed on these here boards.



Your comment went up while I was writing mine and I got all duly chagrined and chastised. Suffice it to say it involved the quote Onewithall referenced, the terrifying prospect of a changing balance in the Supreme Court, and Phil Ochs riding through the DNC with a flaming sword. blush

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

MAY 22, 2008 08:29 AM

Ascanius said:

wildswan said:

Ascanius said:
Never mind.



Naw, go on ahead. Be as low rent as you wanna be. It's totally welcomed on these here boards.



Your comment went up while I was writing mine and I got all duly chagrined and chastised. Suffice it to say it involved the quote Onewithall referenced, the terrifying prospect of a changing balance in the Supreme Court, and Phil Ochs riding through the DNC with a flaming sword. blush




Which is exactly why the level of discourse should be raised. There's a lot at stake.


I've learned a lot by studying the civil rights movement: It's about building up, not tearing down.

kthxbi

kthxbi

I'm lost
November 2006

MAY 22, 2008 08:31 AM

Quote of the day:



"If she's consciously lying, it's a shockingly cynical move. I don't think she's lying. I think she's so convinced of her own morality and historical importance that she can whip herself into a moralistic fervor to support nearly any position that might benefit her, however crass and sleazy. It's not just that she's convinced herself it's okay to try to steal the nomination, she has also appropriated the most sacred legacies of liberalism for her effort to do so. She is proving herself temperamentally unfit for the presidency," - Jon Chait.

flabajaba2213

flabajaba2213

Bristol, RI
July 2006

MAY 22, 2008 09:10 AM

Wow...

God damn't FTR! Stop writing articles where I agree with you! It was so much easier to hate you before. shocked

JekyllAndHyde

JekyllAndHyde

Nottingham, MD
April 2005

MAY 22, 2008 09:25 AM

It's like being back in middle school....

This is why Republicans win elections and Democrats lose.

Mr_Matt_

Mr_Matt_

Hollywood, FL
July 2005

MAY 22, 2008 09:55 AM

wildswan said:


I do find it disturbing when Barack Obama's supporters don't mirror, in their behavior, what they claim to admire about Barack, the man.

Where's the comity and decorum, from those who claim it as their banner? It makes me wonder to what degree Obama has genuinely influenced his supporters.




Who are you talking about? Is it the article's author?

Anyways, NARAL still supports Obama. As do all of the women I know, even down here in dumb-ass Florida.

ChrisSick

ChrisSick

Philadelphia, PA
March 2008

MAY 22, 2008 10:12 AM

I think this, like blue collars and Jews is mostly a manufactured issue. Clinton's campaign likes this spin since it plays well with the Obama is unelectable argument and creates a situation whereby the DNC and Obama's campaign have to ask Clinton to come and save them, either by accepting the VP nomination or some other high profile position in the party or his campaign. Personally, I think she can do better as Senate Majority Leader, but maybe Secretary of HHS would be a good spot for her.

The media, this year more than ever, has acted like a single stereotype represents a demographic category. The New York Times article about Florida Jews being a perfect example, the impression being that Obama won't be able to rely on a strong Jewish vote because the retired Jews in Florida speak for the entire demographic or ethnic group.

Nixon of all people provided a useful framework with his 'great silent majority'. Of course he used that term as an excuse to marginalize, harass, and violate the rights of every one who wasn't silent or part of the majority. But the phrase works here, as well. The people organizing against Obama are not the great silent majority, they are fringe groups, their behavior makes no sense, they won't get much in the way of funding and I think as we move forward towards a general, at least half of them well come back to the fold. Not half of all Clinton supporters, mind, half of the psychopaths out there organizing directly against Obama.

I just think this is an issue the media has pushed and pushed to create more drama and fill their twenty-four hours of airtime a day.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

MAY 22, 2008 10:18 AM

Mr_Matt_ said:

wildswan said:


I do find it disturbing when Barack Obama's supporters don't mirror, in their behavior, what they claim to admire about Barack, the man.

Where's the comity and decorum, from those who claim it as their banner? It makes me wonder to what degree Obama has genuinely influenced his supporters.




Who are you talking about? Is it the article's author?

Anyways, NARAL still supports Obama. As do all of the women I know, even down here in dumb-ass Florida.


And yet, local NARAL chapters have had to promise to donors that while the national organization supports Obama, they endorse Clinton.

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