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Obama Gets All Manish

TUESDAY MAY 20 2008 6:00 AM

Submitted by FearTheReaper. Edited By erin_broadley.

TAGS: Barack Obama, Republicans, John McCain

Holy shit, who invited a man to the party? Yesterday, Barack Obama stood up and acted more like a man than any presidential candidate I’ve ever seen. The Republican Party in Tennessee decided it would be a super idea to attack Michelle Obama, but Barack told them to back their shit up. And it was impressive.



I like the end, just before he remembered to smile. That was a, "Keep it up and I'm going to kick the shit out of you" moment.

That clip will go down as one of the most important in this campaign. That’s what men who care about their wives do. Nobody gets to talk shit about my wife or disrespect her while I’m around. It’s just not going to happen. Maybe that’s chauvinistic, I don’t really give a shit. You want to talk shit about my wife, you better be prepared for what you have coming. End of fucking story.

The Republicans seem to think being a tough guy means attacking countries that have no ability to defend themselves against our incredible firepower – or to talk a big game. George Bush’s “Bring it on” comment is a pretty classic example, as was his ridiculously stupid invasion of Iraq. All the right wing talking heads lap it up and proclaim the Democrats to be weak, spineless creatures. At the same time, these big bad GOP men launch endless verbal assaults against Democratic politician’s families.

One needs only look at the attacks on Hillary Clinton while Bill was in charge of the White House. It was endless. And they even went after Chelsea Clinton. In 1998, John McCain made a joke about Chelsea at a Senate fundraiser.


“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?" he asked. "Because her father is Janet Reno."


For me, this is Sonny Corleone time. If I was Bill Clinton, I'd get on a plane, fly to wherever the old man is and break his nose. Obviously, the president can’t do that. But I'd sure as hell call him out. I’d call a press conference, walk out to the White House lawn and tell McCain to come on up and say it to my face. I’d look into the cameras and make sure America heard one thing:


A real man does not say such things. A real man does not attack his opponent’s daughter. That is what a coward does.


Besides being the right thing to do, it would score so many political points it would be insane. Most men in America would want to kick the shit out of a grown man who called their daughter ugly. This was the most relatable moment Barack Obama has ever had.

This is the kind of shit Republicans have been able to get away with for years – and it needs to stop now, with Michelle Obama. This latest attack will go down as a tremendous backfire. Barack knows how to frame it. Honestly, I got a little tingly watching it. My wife called me and said, “That’s exactly what you would say.” It is. Barack Obama just stood up and acted like any other man who cared about his wife would. Welcome to the world of relatable politics, you calculating GOP fucks.

Attacks on a politician’s family are the ultimate act of cowardice. I don’t give a shit if McCain was shot down over Vietnam and then spent five years as a POW; his entire slate was erased when he made a public joke about Chelsea Clinton. The man is a fucking coward. He’s trash. Let’s take a look at the difference between how the two men treat their wives. From 1992...


At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.


Sorry, when I get tired I call my wife a "cunt." That man is common trash. That moment was witness by three reporters. I’ve got some man rules in my head and that doesn’t match up with any of them. It does meet my "weak fuck" criteria, however.

Obama seems to be cut from a different cloth. It’s rare to see a politician have an uncalculated moment of honesty, but I’ve seen more from Obama in his short time in the spotlight than all other politicians combined. One thing is for sure – yesterday we saw a man stand up and tell a bunch of punks to back the fuck up off his lady. And that man just won over a lot of men in America. The game just changed. Thanks, GOP, for being a bunch of classless cowards.

FearTheReaper understands this is a feminist website, but on some shit he’s old fashioned. Deal with it.

 

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livertarian

livertarian

Fairfax, VA
February 2008

MAY 20, 2008 12:51 PM

Nolan_Void said:

This is the quote from Obama that your linked utilized to make their argument.


"I'm not interested in legalizing drugs,'' Obama said, adding that he prefers an approach that puts more emphasis on a public health approach to drugs and less emphasis on incarceration.

He said there should be more programs to keep young people from using drugs. And he said first-time offenders should be given help to overcome their drug use instead of being locked up at massive taxpayer expense from which they emerge as unemployable ex-convicts.

"All we do is give them a master's degree in criminology,'' Obama said.



Did you read anything in that quote that says "I'm going to in the Drug War?" I sure as hell didn't. And for everyone else out there, does his response really sound so unreasonable? Despite whether or not first time offenders are actually jailed for drug use or possession (from personal experience, I know that at least some of them are, depending on the quantity of illegal substances in question), I think his sentiment and reasoning are sound in this quote, and I think it reflects the sentiments of the greater portion of the voters out there.

As for funding social security, I'm sure if we hadn't already spent 500 billion + dollars on this war we're in, we could find some extra cash to dump in to making sure old people aren't left out in the cold after they worked their whole fucking lives.



Obama is trying to have it both ways, can't you see that? He says drugs are a public health issue (I agree,) and yet would still maintain the laws that mark users as criminals.

Good point on the cost of the Iraq War - I agree totally. But again: Obama does not show me the numbers. The expiration of Bush's tax cuts, the reduction of "waste" in Medicare/Medicaid, the development of technology - all this sounds fiscally conservative in regards to making entitlements solvent, but how much money does he really think we can come up with? Even half the current debt to the system is $25 trillion. I do not see tinkerings with taxes and reforms coming close to any such number. The entitlement system is a wonderfully fair-sounding idea, and totally unrealistic. My daughter's generation is going to suffer greatly as a result of these choices, today.

ckdexterhaven

ckdexterhaven

Redding, CA
December 2005

MAY 20, 2008 12:56 PM

bean said:

Narghile said:

Nolan_Void said:


At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.



Holy mother of God.... When you said this I thought it was some kind of joke. Who the fuck does that? I'd hate to see what would happen if McCain had a "long day" in the Oval Office. Suddenly the leader of Iran is a "dick-sucking butthole" and we're in war for twenty more years...



I'm more concerned about the McCain family spousal abuse that isn't documented by the media.



I'm not entirely sure I buy any of that. I know he's got a temper, but as far as I can tell, there's one source for all of those rumors (a book called "The Real McCain" by Cliff Schecter), and none of them have been confirmed with any real diligence. Indeed Matthew Yglasias, who quoted the story from the book and blogged about it, had this to say:

So yesterday I blogged this story about John McCain having called his wife a "cunt" and a "trollop." The story was the kind of thing that's known in the journalism business as "too good to check," which is to say I just kind of linked to it thoughtlessly without considering the sourcing. The sourcing, however, is not very good -- "Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident" which wasn't reported on at the time and of which there's no evidence over the past 16 years outside of Cliff Schecter's book.

Cliff's a good guy, and no doubt reporters from Arizona really did tell him this anecdote. But still, if I'm honest with myself about what I would think of this story if it were being told about a politician I admire, I'd say it was mighty thin and the reality is that it's thin as an anti-McCain story too. There is, clearly, ample evidence that McCain has a short fuse and an occasional penchant for inappropriate name-calling, but there's no evidence that this particular incident happened that meets a reasonable journalistic standard.



If we're going to reject these sorts of peripheral rumors and bullshit non-issue attacks, we should be consistent in that rejection.


Agreed. And to call McCain "common trash" is also a bit out of line, and a step in the wrong direction. But that's 'Reap for ya.

Chriztian

Chriztian

Tallahassee, FL
September 2004

MAY 20, 2008 01:06 PM

See, the comment by McCain about his wife should have been turned into a huge talking point. And if Clinton had won the nomination or really been ahead and gone into general election mode, I'm sure she would have made it into one. Obama won't and that is one of the reasons that his "talk" of doing politics differently rings true.

Nolan_Void

Nolan_Void

Salisbury, NC
July 2004

MAY 20, 2008 01:06 PM

livertarian said:

Nolan_Void said:

This is the quote from Obama that your linked utilized to make their argument.


"I'm not interested in legalizing drugs,'' Obama said, adding that he prefers an approach that puts more emphasis on a public health approach to drugs and less emphasis on incarceration.

He said there should be more programs to keep young people from using drugs. And he said first-time offenders should be given help to overcome their drug use instead of being locked up at massive taxpayer expense from which they emerge as unemployable ex-convicts.

"All we do is give them a master's degree in criminology,'' Obama said.



Did you read anything in that quote that says "I'm going to in the Drug War?" I sure as hell didn't. And for everyone else out there, does his response really sound so unreasonable? Despite whether or not first time offenders are actually jailed for drug use or possession (from personal experience, I know that at least some of them are, depending on the quantity of illegal substances in question), I think his sentiment and reasoning are sound in this quote, and I think it reflects the sentiments of the greater portion of the voters out there.

As for funding social security, I'm sure if we hadn't already spent 500 billion + dollars on this war we're in, we could find some extra cash to dump in to making sure old people aren't left out in the cold after they worked their whole fucking lives.



Obama is trying to have it both ways, can't you see that? He says drugs are a public health issue (I agree,) and yet would still maintain the laws that mark users as criminals.

Good point on the cost of the Iraq War - I agree totally. But again: Obama does not show me the numbers. The expiration of Bush's tax cuts, the reduction of "waste" in Medicare/Medicaid, the development of technology - all this sounds fiscally conservative in regards to making entitlements solvent, but how much money does he really think we can come up with? Even half the current debt to the system is $25 trillion. I do not see tinkerings with taxes and reforms coming close to any such number. The entitlement system is a wonderfully fair-sounding idea, and totally unrealistic. My daughter's generation is going to suffer greatly as a result of these choices, today.



Part of the problem with the Social Security issue is that people are only taxed for the first $102,000 that they earn (payroll tax). This is a problem, because what about the people who are earning more than that? This means that the poor or those who make less than 100,000 a year are shouldering most of the cost to Social Security. Obama explicitly states on his site that he intends to raise the amount drawn from the payroll tax on his site


Obama believes that the first place to look for ways to strengthen Social Security is the payroll tax system. Currently, the Social Security payroll tax applies to only the first $102,000 a worker makes. Obama supports increasing the maximum amount of earnings covered by Social Security and he will work with Congress and the American people to choose a payroll tax reform package that will keep Social Security solvent for at least the next half century.



So again, getting wealthier earners to pay a more proportionate part (a policy Obama has directly and explicity campaigned throughout his entire campaign) is a part of his solution to help fund Social Security, if not the entirety of it.

This should be important to any Libertarian, as it helps reduce the amount of distribution of wealth from the poor to the wealthy.

Also, saying he has no interest in legalizing drugs is NOT the same as saying he supports the laws that mark the users as criminals. In fact, in the above quote he is saying that he supports measures that PREVENT substance abuse, and help young people never get involved with them the first place. You know how this happens? It starts with fixing their economic problems, so they aren't trying to run away from their impoverished and shitty lives.

I'm sorry, and I mean no offense to you, but all the facts seem pretty clear, and I feel you are just simply wrong.

LSlice

LSlice

Montclair, NJ
December 2007

MAY 20, 2008 02:20 PM

I read Obama's platform on the entitlements for seniors issue. While I'll agree most of those things would be helpful in the short term, (not the heating for seniors part, i think that's a terrible idea) I think it does not really address the magnitude of the problem. The cost is going up, but the number of recipients are going up as well. The problem with government subsidized healthcare is that it makes technological innovation function in inefficient ways. Think about this. If you can charge anything you want, because there is no competition, you would always be opt to use the most expensive equipment (in some cases just for liability purposes) as oppossed to find ways to cut costs.

At this point, there is no easy solution to this problem, and it will take a lot of creativity to even begin to dig our way out of it, but I think the structure is fundamentally flawed.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 20, 2008 02:27 PM

LSlice said:
The problem with government subsidized healthcare is that it makes technological innovation function in inefficient ways.



Go ahead and prove that statement. And you might want to look into Switzerland when doing your research.

SergeantPsycho

SergeantPsycho

Hampton, VA
January 2007

MAY 20, 2008 02:59 PM

I have a lot of things to say about the whole video interview:

1. When he says that he the attacks on his wife "totally unacceptable". First off, what's HE gonna do? Oh no! My political opponent finds something I said "totally unacceptable" RUN AWAAAAAAAY! I'm not sure how you can say that's manish in the slightest. Of course, what could he do? Jack shit, but because just like Michelle Obama, the Tennesse GOP has the freedom to say whatever they want.

2. "The GOP ... can say what ever they want about me": What a load shit. Last week Obama threw tantrum over Bush's warnings against appeasing terrorists (very thoughtful and intelligent comments, as it turns out), and his name wasn't even in the speech. Obama needs to think long and hard about being president, because the interviewer hit on the head. You see what kind of stuff everyone says about Bush, and about his family, and if Obama wants to be president himself, he's probably going to have to put up with the same amount of abuse.

3. "For them to.. play snippets of her remarks that are unflattering to her.": I have a brilliant idea, for both Michelle and Barack. If you don't want people playing remarks that are unflattering to you, how about not getting up in front of a podium and saying remarks that are unflattering to you. It's just that simple.

4. I guess it's perfectly ok to accuse McCain of "Losing his bearings" due to his age. That's not an attack or smear in the slightest, is it? The hypocracy is thick enough to cut with a knife.

Alright guys, feel free to tell me I'm wrong, but I can just sense that Obama is a disaster waiting to happen.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

MAY 20, 2008 03:03 PM

livertarian said:

bean said:

livertarian said:
I will respectfully argue that Obama ducks real issues as well as any politician who aspires to be President. If the argument is desired, anyway, I will see it through. No doubt, though, the guy has more class and style by far than anyone else on the trail. I got burned voting for a rock star in '92, so this time I am more skeptical.


Can you provide some examples? It's possible that I see a lot more Obama coverage than you, so maybe there are examples that I can't remember, but I honestly can't think of one time when he's dodged any real issues. He can dodge questions like a pro, for sure, but when those questions are all about peripheral tabloid issues, I don't see that as being the same thing.



Well, to begin a debate on this, we'd have to agree on what the "real issues" are. I would propose a few for starters.

Social Security. Obama said in his speech in Portland yesterday that higher-income people need to shoulder more of the burden. This resonates with voters - nobody really likes rich people, so of course they should pay more. This kind of statement I find highly typical of politics, and completely lacking practicality; SS is conceptually flawed from the ground up, and I don't believe anyone who's as educated and savvy as Obama can honestly see a way around it. Even if rich people were to be denied SS, plus taxed highly to support the lower brackets, the system will still go broke eventually. More importantly, Obama never mentions Medicare/Medicaid in his speeches, because it turns out these entitlements dwarf SS in cost. SS/Medicare/Medicaid is straight-up guaranteed to bankrupt the government. The accountants at the GAO can fill in details, but it's a $50 trillion problem as of today.

Drug War. Obama says nothing substantial that I can find. The implication is that he wants to stay the course by keeping drugs illegal and funding the War effort. I believe drug criminalization is by far the number one issue impacting African Americans as a group. Prison stats and crime stats might back me up on this.

Military policy. Withdrawal from Iraq is the only thing Obama has pledged so far that I can get behind. But he fails to discuss our military policy with any depth or candor. Would he back another UN resolution to essentially rebuild more nations deemed rebuild-able? How successful are these effort, considering the cost in lives and dollars, and what kind of results do we expect? Iraq was a disaster - most Americans agree - and yet the UN is not taken to task for resolving to make this happen.

It would be wonderful if there were more candidates out there discussing what the role of government truly ought to be. Protecting our rights would be my answer. Transformation of society is assumed to be the role, however, with little debate. Obama's speech on balancing religion with politics is an eloquent one, but sidesteps this very important issue to me and most true conservatives.

I realize that Obama has little to gain by sticking his neck out. But I also have to assume that the Hope and Change thing is just talk. I am prepared to see the mess we call the federal government become worse under this guy, or the other. It's really just a matter of how fast you wanna slide.



Nothing about climate change or peak oil?

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

Kearney, NE
May 2006

MAY 20, 2008 03:05 PM

Why is every thread devolving into a libertarian mudslide?

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

MAY 20, 2008 03:05 PM

SergeantPsycho said:
I
Alright guys, feel free to tell me I'm wrong, but I can just sense that Obama is a disaster waiting to happen.


You're wrong.

Judging from the blather you usually post, I don't put a lot of faith in your senses either.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

MAY 20, 2008 03:24 PM

SergeantPsycho said:
I have a lot of things to say about the whole video interview:

1. When he says that he the attacks on his wife "totally unacceptable". First off, what's HE gonna do? Oh no! My political opponent finds something I said "totally unacceptable" RUN AWAAAAAAAY! I'm not sure how you can say that's manish in the slightest. Of course, what could he do? Jack shit, but because just like Michelle Obama, the Tennesse GOP has the freedom to say whatever they want.



Indeed. Just don't be surprised if it loses them votes.

And, if you choose not to protest at vicious attacks on the innocent by political candidates, you shouldn't be surprised if your national politics favours stupid, shallow, nasty people.

Democracy: where the voters get what they deserve. And serve them right.

Gillionaire

Gillionaire

Manchester, NH
February 2007

MAY 20, 2008 03:24 PM

That's a pretty great video. I do think it's kinda stupid to launch a political attack on the guy's wife. I'm not voting for Obama's wife. I don't give a shit what she thinks about the issues or the country. I'm planning on voting for Obama, the GOP's job should be trying to convince me why I shouldn't for legimate reasons. But that would be hard.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

MAY 20, 2008 03:26 PM

coyotemike said:
Why is every thread devolving into a libertarian mudslide?



That's all they've got: the swamp attack. They are trying to ensure that the casual reader sees libertarian ideas first and everywhere.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

Kearney, NE
May 2006

MAY 20, 2008 03:28 PM

SockPuppet said:

coyotemike said:
Why is every thread devolving into a libertarian mudslide?



That's all they've got: the swamp attack. They are trying to ensure that the casual reader sees libertarian ideas first and everywhere.



But the ideas are all so . . . bad.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 20, 2008 03:31 PM

SergeantPsycho said:
I have a lot of things to say about the whole video interview:

1. When he says that he the attacks on his wife "totally unacceptable". First off, what's HE gonna do? Oh no! My political opponent finds something I said "totally unacceptable" RUN AWAAAAAAAY! I'm not sure how you can say that's manish in the slightest. Of course, what could he do? Jack shit, but because just like Michelle Obama, the Tennesse GOP has the freedom to say whatever they want.



Jesus Christ. Seriously? He's going to make them look like asshole for attacking his wife. You don't fight someone by punching their lady. Obama's going to make that point loud and clear, which will make Republicans look like fucking child molesters. How you could not pick that up by reading what I wrote is fucking amazing.

SergeantPsycho said:
2. "The GOP ... can say what ever they want about me": What a load shit. Last week Obama threw tantrum over Bush's warnings against appeasing terrorists (very thoughtful and intelligent comments, as it turns out), and his name wasn't even in the speech. Obama needs to think long and hard about being president, because the interviewer hit on the head. You see what kind of stuff everyone says about Bush, and about his family, and if Obama wants to be president himself, he's probably going to have to put up with the same amount of abuse.
.



Hi. Do you know what "appeasement" means? No, you don't. Neither does the president.

And I didn't realize Laura Bush was the centerpiece of a Democratic State Party campaign ad. Please post that for me, would you? Thank.

And you're right, Obama's name wasn't in the speech. Good pick up. Maybe you should also read the multitude of articles in which White House advisors told the press Bush was talking about Obama. This distortion of the truth by deluded right wingers such as yourself is about the best proof that Bush was out of line.

SergeantPsycho said:
3. "For them to.. play snippets of her remarks that are unflattering to her.": I have a brilliant idea, for both Michelle and Barack. If you don't want people playing remarks that are unflattering to you, how about not getting up in front of a podium and saying remarks that are unflattering to you. It's just that simple.



Hey, brilliant! You're a God damn genius. Also interesting how you brought Barack into that little speech there, even thought he said he was fair game. What this is, is a dude defending his wife. I am going to assume here that you don't love anything because you can't relate.

SergeantPsycho said:
4. I guess it's perfectly ok to accuse McCain of "Losing his bearings" due to his age. That's not an attack or smear in the slightest, is it? The hypocracy is thick enough to cut with a knife.
.



Um. it wasn't because of his age. He said he lost his bearings because McCain repeatedly stated he would not make ugly attacks during the campaign, then he did. See how that works? If you say something, then do the opposite, someone might say you "lost your bearings." You should stop sucking from the right wing teet, because you appear shockingly ignorant of the facts.

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