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Meet The Gastards

TUESDAY MAY 6 2008 6:00 AM

Submitted by FearTheReaper. Edited By erin_broadley.

TAGS: McCain, Clinton, Obama, Gas Tax Holiday

Last week, John McCain proposed an idea so incredibly stupid that Hillary Clinton decided to jump on board the next day. McCain and Clinton want to have a “gas tax holiday," which is a retarded way of saying they want to suspend the 18.4-cent-per-gallon federal gas tax and the 24.4-cent diesel tax between Memorial Day and Labor Day.

They say it would save Americans 10 billion dollars! Wow! That’s awesome. Until you use your brain, do a little math and realize $10 billion divided by America equals around 30 bucks each. Thirty bucks is now also known as a half a tank of gas. But then you lose that 30 bucks in damage done to your car by under funded roads.

Barack Obama is opposed to the gastard holiday – mostly because he’s not a pandering moron. That means Hillary gets to call him an elitist and say he’s out of touch with the average American. Just so we understand this situation, a lady who is worth $134 million dollars is saying that a guy worth $4 million is out of touch because he doesn’t want to give people $30 for an entire summer.



Yummy, yummy rich people. What a tool she is. Never mind that she was against a gas tax holiday in 2000.


And one of my fundamental disagreements during this campaign with my opponent was when he called for the repeal of the gas tax. Now, the gas tax is one of those few taxes that New York actually gets more money from Washington than we send. And we are totally reliant on it to do things like finishing I-86 in the Southern Tier, or the fast- ferry harbor works up in Rochester, as well as the work we need to do here in the city.


And that guy named Bill Clinton used to be against this idea.


But the problem I have with it, apart from what it might do to the Highway Trust Fund and the spending obligations that have already been incurred by the acts of Congress, the budgets, is that I’m not sure that the savings would be passed along to the consumers in addition to that. So I think there are a lot of questions about it.


Why didn’t Bill think the savings would be passed on to customers? Two reasons: First, gas companies are evil and they will just up the prices. Second, when you eliminate the gas tax, demand goes up, and then the price will go back up to what it was before the tax. It’s called economics. But, Hillary doesn’t want economics to get in the way.


We have to get out of the mindset where somehow elite opinion is always on the side of doing things that really disadvantage the vast majority of Americans. I’m not going to put my lot in with economists because I know if we did it right ... we would design it in such a way that it would be implemented effectively.


Oh, Christ, someone shoot me in the face. Please fucking kill me. I can’t take how stupid these people are.

Hillary is, of course, attempting to use it as a wedge issue in ads.



You go girl! Best way to win the Democratic nomination is to become a Republican!

The McCaintards are also taking swipes at Obama for wanting an economically sound policy.


“It’s clear Barack Obama’s not strong enough to provide immediate relief at the pump, and it shows he doesn’t understand our economy or have the ability to deliver for hard-working Americans,” said Tucker Bounds, a McCain aide. “Senator Obama’s arguments against John McCain’s gas tax holiday are complete fiction, and the reality is that he used to support a gas tax holiday before he was running for president.”


Right. Obama did support a gas tax holiday. That’s why he’s against it now, you fucking dipshit. God, why can’t I shit in the mouths of guys like this? Just once, I want to crouch over one of these guy’s faces and crap in their dumb hole. Amen.

Back in 2000, when prices were going apeshit and hitting $2 a gallon, Illinois politicians decided to give people a break. Obama and other lawmakers voted for a six-month holiday from the state’s 5-cent gas tax. The state lost $175 million in revenue, while the actual savings was only 3 cents per gallon because oil companies just upped prices.


"It turned out to have a pretty small effect," said Joseph Doyle, an assistant economics professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "Consumers were slightly better off, but the benefits were spread very thinly, and the government was a lot worse off."


So, the McCain campaign is calling Obama a flip-flopper because he had the audacity to make a mistake and LEARN from it. Good stuff. McCain and Clinton are the worst kind of politicians in this instance. They are panderers attempting to take advantage of Americans who are having a hard time. They are playing to the emotions and vulnerabilities of people who are having major economic difficulties – which makes McCain and Clinton scum.

Nearly every economist agrees that the gas tax holiday would be a total disaster. Gas prices would simply adjust back up to where they were before the tax break. And it would have a profound negative effect on our roads and highways.


"This proposal would have devastating impacts upon the federal-aid highway and transit programs, sharply reducing funding available to states and jeopardizing hundreds of thousands of jobs nationwide. Such a move would be short-sighted and damaging to our nation's economy, while providing little relief to America's drivers."


Oh, hey, people work on roads and highways? You mean that $10 billion in tax revenue that goes to improve roads leads to jobs? Holy shit! Who would have thunk?

But I'm coming from a different place. I believe gas should be expensive. I think Detroit needs to build some decent cars that get over 5 miles per gallon. Right now American car makers are living in a fantasy land, a world that ceased to exist years ago. I think we need to drive less and think of alternative ways to get around. We need to invest in the energy-efficient and climate-friendly transportation alternatives. We are addicted to artificially cheap fuel and the best solution is to change how we operate.

A true leader would stand up and say, “America, you need to only drive out of necessity for one week. Those that can take the bus or a train, will. Those who can work from home, will. Those who can ride a bike, will. Those who can walk, will walk. Let's take a holiday from gas. Only by cutting our consumption will we lower prices.”

But that would take a leader, not a pandering fuck monkey.

 

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chocohoodie

chocohoodie

I'm lost
February 2005

MAY 06, 2008 11:33 PM

So, let me get this straight:

McCain's plan would be a fat $8 billion check to the oil companies that drains the federal highway trust fund.

Hillary's plan, due to some flaws, would probably send $8 billion in a circle because oil companies would raise prices to offset the taxes Hillary would increase on them. The federal highway trust fund wouldn't lose money.

But to make our point (because we hate Hillary so much), we'll just completely ignore the difference between those plans so we can lump her and McCain together and call her the Republican in disguise?

Give me a fucking break.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 06, 2008 11:37 PM

chocohoodie said:
So, let me get this straight:

McCain's plan would be a fat $8 billion check to the oil companies that drains the federal highway trust fund.

Hillary's plan, due to some flaws, would probably send $8 billion in a circle because oil companies would raise prices to offset the taxes Hillary would increase on them. The federal highway trust fund wouldn't lose money.

But to make our point (because we hate Hillary so much), we'll just completely ignore the difference between those plans so we can lump her and McCain together and call her the Republican in disguise?

Give me a fucking break.



You might want to actually understand these two plans before you talk about of your asshole.

chocohoodie

chocohoodie

I'm lost
February 2005

MAY 06, 2008 11:39 PM

FearTheReaper said:

chocohoodie said:
So, let me get this straight:

McCain's plan would be a fat $8 billion check to the oil companies that drains the federal highway trust fund.

Hillary's plan, due to some flaws, would probably send $8 billion in a circle because oil companies would raise prices to offset the taxes Hillary would increase on them. The federal highway trust fund wouldn't lose money.

But to make our point (because we hate Hillary so much), we'll just completely ignore the difference between those plans so we can lump her and McCain together and call her the Republican in disguise?

Give me a fucking break.



You might want to actually understand these two plans before you talk about of your asshole.



Perhaps you could state where you think I'm mistaken before you start spouting bullshit. Being that you were pretty vague in your article, I tend to think you're the one who doesn't understand the situation.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 06, 2008 11:54 PM

chocohoodie said:

FearTheReaper said:

chocohoodie said:
So, let me get this straight:

McCain's plan would be a fat $8 billion check to the oil companies that drains the federal highway trust fund.

Hillary's plan, due to some flaws, would probably send $8 billion in a circle because oil companies would raise prices to offset the taxes Hillary would increase on them. The federal highway trust fund wouldn't lose money.

But to make our point (because we hate Hillary so much), we'll just completely ignore the difference between those plans so we can lump her and McCain together and call her the Republican in disguise?

Give me a fucking break.



You might want to actually understand these two plans before you talk about of your asshole.



Perhaps you could state where you think I'm mistaken before you start spouting bullshit. Being that you were pretty vague in your article, I tend to think you're the one who doesn't understand the situation.



Nah, You're too smart for me. Can't argue with you amazing logic.

chocohoodie

chocohoodie

I'm lost
February 2005

MAY 07, 2008 12:02 AM

FearTheReaper said:

chocohoodie said:

FearTheReaper said:

chocohoodie said:
So, let me get this straight:

McCain's plan would be a fat $8 billion check to the oil companies that drains the federal highway trust fund.

Hillary's plan, due to some flaws, would probably send $8 billion in a circle because oil companies would raise prices to offset the taxes Hillary would increase on them. The federal highway trust fund wouldn't lose money.

But to make our point (because we hate Hillary so much), we'll just completely ignore the difference between those plans so we can lump her and McCain together and call her the Republican in disguise?

Give me a fucking break.



You might want to actually understand these two plans before you talk about of your asshole.



Perhaps you could state where you think I'm mistaken before you start spouting bullshit. Being that you were pretty vague in your article, I tend to think you're the one who doesn't understand the situation.



Nah, You're too smart for me. Can't argue with you amazing logic.



Perhaps this rudimentary "diagram" will aid your thought process:


FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 07, 2008 12:07 AM

Perhaps you could then explain how awesome her version of the gas tax is.

chocohoodie

chocohoodie

I'm lost
February 2005

MAY 07, 2008 12:15 AM

FearTheReaper said:
Perhaps you could then explain how awesome her version of the gas tax is.



It's not particularly awesome. At worst it will send a large sum of money in a circle. At best it might reduce the price per gallon by 9-12 cents, saving each driver a little bit of money at the expense of the oil companies, according to one UC Berkely study.

Unfortunately everybody and their mom now thinks that Hillary is adopting the McCain strategy of giant oil company gifts when she's instead simply promoting a misguided plan with a good intention.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 07, 2008 12:21 AM

chocohoodie said:

FearTheReaper said:
Perhaps you could then explain how awesome her version of the gas tax is.



It's not particularly awesome. At worst it will send a large sum of money in a circle. At best it might reduce the price per gallon by 9-12 cents, saving each driver a little bit of money at the expense of the oil companies, according to one UC Berkely study.

Unfortunately everybody and their mom now thinks that Hillary is adopting the McCain strategy of giant oil company gifts when she's instead simply promoting a misguided plan with a good intention.



That would be because SHE ADOPTED THE MCCAIN PLAN with a tiny twist. That's really not a hard concept to figure out.

Congrats on finding a study saying it would save people money. As I said in the article, $30 over the summer. Wow. Really. Fucking. Awesome.

There was no good intention. It is a economically poor pandering plan with zero good intentions.

chocohoodie

chocohoodie

I'm lost
February 2005

MAY 07, 2008 12:23 AM

FearTheReaper said:

chocohoodie said:

FearTheReaper said:
Perhaps you could then explain how awesome her version of the gas tax is.



It's not particularly awesome. At worst it will send a large sum of money in a circle. At best it might reduce the price per gallon by 9-12 cents, saving each driver a little bit of money at the expense of the oil companies, according to one UC Berkely study.

Unfortunately everybody and their mom now thinks that Hillary is adopting the McCain strategy of giant oil company gifts when she's instead simply promoting a misguided plan with a good intention.



That would be because SHE ADOPTED THE MCCAIN PLAN with a tiny twist. That's really not a hard concept to figure out.

Congrats on finding a study saying it would save people money. As I said in the article, $30 over the summer. Wow. Really. Fucking. Awesome.

There was no good intention. It is a economically poor pandering plan with zero good intentions.



Uh.. yeah, adopted the McCain plan with the "tiny twist" that it wouldn't deplete the federal highway trust fund.. that's supposed to be reason why this is bad, remember?

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 07, 2008 12:25 AM

chocohoodie said:

FearTheReaper said:

chocohoodie said:

FearTheReaper said:
Perhaps you could then explain how awesome her version of the gas tax is.



It's not particularly awesome. At worst it will send a large sum of money in a circle. At best it might reduce the price per gallon by 9-12 cents, saving each driver a little bit of money at the expense of the oil companies, according to one UC Berkely study.

Unfortunately everybody and their mom now thinks that Hillary is adopting the McCain strategy of giant oil company gifts when she's instead simply promoting a misguided plan with a good intention.



That would be because SHE ADOPTED THE MCCAIN PLAN with a tiny twist. That's really not a hard concept to figure out.

Congrats on finding a study saying it would save people money. As I said in the article, $30 over the summer. Wow. Really. Fucking. Awesome.

There was no good intention. It is a economically poor pandering plan with zero good intentions.



Uh.. yeah, adopted the McCain plan with the "tiny twist" that wouldn't deplete the federal highway trust fund.. that's supposed to be reason why this is bad, remember?



No, champ, it's not. Read the fucking article I wrote. That is one of the reasons. The main reason being that it ACCOMPLISHES NOTHING AND IS FUCKING USELESS.

chocohoodie

chocohoodie

I'm lost
February 2005

MAY 07, 2008 12:32 AM

FearTheReaper said:

chocohoodie said:

FearTheReaper said:

chocohoodie said:

FearTheReaper said:
Perhaps you could then explain how awesome her version of the gas tax is.



It's not particularly awesome. At worst it will send a large sum of money in a circle. At best it might reduce the price per gallon by 9-12 cents, saving each driver a little bit of money at the expense of the oil companies, according to one UC Berkely study.

Unfortunately everybody and their mom now thinks that Hillary is adopting the McCain strategy of giant oil company gifts when she's instead simply promoting a misguided plan with a good intention.



That would be because SHE ADOPTED THE MCCAIN PLAN with a tiny twist. That's really not a hard concept to figure out.

Congrats on finding a study saying it would save people money. As I said in the article, $30 over the summer. Wow. Really. Fucking. Awesome.

There was no good intention. It is a economically poor pandering plan with zero good intentions.



Uh.. yeah, adopted the McCain plan with the "tiny twist" that wouldn't deplete the federal highway trust fund.. that's supposed to be reason why this is bad, remember?



No, champ, it's not. Read the fucking article I wrote. That is one of the reasons. The main reason being that it ACCOMPLISHES NOTHING AND IS FUCKING USELESS.



Yeah.. sure. That's why you repeatedly mention that drivers would be trading $30 in savings for deteriorated roads and highways... except under Hillary's plan, they wouldn't.

I know, it's really hard to make it sound evil when the downside of the plan is simply "it probably won't help much, if at all, but there aren't any other negative side effects."

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 07, 2008 12:38 AM

Read the article again, dipshit. Seriously, you're a fucking moron.

chocohoodie

chocohoodie

I'm lost
February 2005

MAY 07, 2008 12:40 AM

Your debate skillz are weak, old man.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

MAY 07, 2008 12:41 AM

bald_eagle said:
I'm just glad the voters didn't stampede toward her over this nonsense. I was afraid the pandering might work.


+1


FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 07, 2008 01:01 AM

chocohoodie said:
Your debate skillz are weak, old man.



And yet stronger than your analytic abilities.

Seriously, I think you are unworthy of debate. I gave you one last shot, took you off ignore and you only reaffirm my previous conclusion.

You're a tool.

No offense. Just a fact.

Your demon lost tonight. Go take it out on someone else.

Back on ignore you go.

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