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Meet The Gastards

Submitted by FearTheReaper

Edited by erin_broadley

Tags: McCain, Clinton, Obama, Gas Tax Holiday

Last week, John McCain proposed an idea so incredibly stupid that Hillary Clinton decided to jump on board the next day. McCain and Clinton want to have a “gas tax holiday," which is a retarded way of saying they want to suspend the 18.4-cent-per-gallon federal gas tax and the 24.4-cent diesel tax between Memorial Day and Labor Day.

They say it would save Americans 10 billion dollars! Wow! That’s awesome. Until you use your brain, do a little math and realize $10 billion divided by America equals around 30 bucks each. Thirty bucks is now also known as a half a tank of gas. But then you lose that 30 bucks in damage done to your car by under funded roads.

Barack Obama is opposed to the gastard holiday – mostly because he’s not a pandering moron. That means Hillary gets to call him an elitist and say he’s out of touch with the average American. Just so we understand this situation, a lady who is worth $134 million dollars is saying that a guy worth $4 million is out of touch because he doesn’t want to give people $30 for an entire summer.



Yummy, yummy rich people. What a tool she is. Never mind that she was against a gas tax holiday in 2000.


And one of my fundamental disagreements during this campaign with my opponent was when he called for the repeal of the gas tax. Now, the gas tax is one of those few taxes that New York actually gets more money from Washington than we send. And we are totally reliant on it to do things like finishing I-86 in the Southern Tier, or the fast- ferry harbor works up in Rochester, as well as the work we need to do here in the city.


And that guy named Bill Clinton used to be against this idea.


But the problem I have with it, apart from what it might do to the Highway Trust Fund and the spending obligations that have already been incurred by the acts of Congress, the budgets, is that I’m not sure that the savings would be passed along to the consumers in addition to that. So I think there are a lot of questions about it.


Why didn’t Bill think the savings would be passed on to customers? Two reasons: First, gas companies are evil and they will just up the prices. Second, when you eliminate the gas tax, demand goes up, and then the price will go back up to what it was before the tax. It’s called economics. But, Hillary doesn’t want economics to get in the way.


We have to get out of the mindset where somehow elite opinion is always on the side of doing things that really disadvantage the vast majority of Americans. I’m not going to put my lot in with economists because I know if we did it right ... we would design it in such a way that it would be implemented effectively.


Oh, Christ, someone shoot me in the face. Please fucking kill me. I can’t take how stupid these people are.

Hillary is, of course, attempting to use it as a wedge issue in ads.



You go girl! Best way to win the Democratic nomination is to become a Republican!

The McCaintards are also taking swipes at Obama for wanting an economically sound policy.


“It’s clear Barack Obama’s not strong enough to provide immediate relief at the pump, and it shows he doesn’t understand our economy or have the ability to deliver for hard-working Americans,” said Tucker Bounds, a McCain aide. “Senator Obama’s arguments against John McCain’s gas tax holiday are complete fiction, and the reality is that he used to support a gas tax holiday before he was running for president.”


Right. Obama did support a gas tax holiday. That’s why he’s against it now, you fucking dipshit. God, why can’t I shit in the mouths of guys like this? Just once, I want to crouch over one of these guy’s faces and crap in their dumb hole. Amen.

Back in 2000, when prices were going apeshit and hitting $2 a gallon, Illinois politicians decided to give people a break. Obama and other lawmakers voted for a six-month holiday from the state’s 5-cent gas tax. The state lost $175 million in revenue, while the actual savings was only 3 cents per gallon because oil companies just upped prices.


"It turned out to have a pretty small effect," said Joseph Doyle, an assistant economics professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "Consumers were slightly better off, but the benefits were spread very thinly, and the government was a lot worse off."


So, the McCain campaign is calling Obama a flip-flopper because he had the audacity to make a mistake and LEARN from it. Good stuff. McCain and Clinton are the worst kind of politicians in this instance. They are panderers attempting to take advantage of Americans who are having a hard time. They are playing to the emotions and vulnerabilities of people who are having major economic difficulties – which makes McCain and Clinton scum.

Nearly every economist agrees that the gas tax holiday would be a total disaster. Gas prices would simply adjust back up to where they were before the tax break. And it would have a profound negative effect on our roads and highways.


"This proposal would have devastating impacts upon the federal-aid highway and transit programs, sharply reducing funding available to states and jeopardizing hundreds of thousands of jobs nationwide. Such a move would be short-sighted and damaging to our nation's economy, while providing little relief to America's drivers."


Oh, hey, people work on roads and highways? You mean that $10 billion in tax revenue that goes to improve roads leads to jobs? Holy shit! Who would have thunk?

But I'm coming from a different place. I believe gas should be expensive. I think Detroit needs to build some decent cars that get over 5 miles per gallon. Right now American car makers are living in a fantasy land, a world that ceased to exist years ago. I think we need to drive less and think of alternative ways to get around. We need to invest in the energy-efficient and climate-friendly transportation alternatives. We are addicted to artificially cheap fuel and the best solution is to change how we operate.

A true leader would stand up and say, “America, you need to only drive out of necessity for one week. Those that can take the bus or a train, will. Those who can work from home, will. Those who can ride a bike, will. Those who can walk, will walk. Let's take a holiday from gas. Only by cutting our consumption will we lower prices.”

But that would take a leader, not a pandering fuck monkey.

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QuargWarrior

QuargWarrior

Perry, GA
February 2008

MAY 08, 2008 02:56 PM

Stiles said:

QuargWarrior said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)


Stiles, I am very happy you are such an expert and "have years of direct experience with engines in general (including that one, in 1960's Ford cars) and many certifications, degrees, etc in the auto field along with a heavy technical and real-world auto experience." Thank you for sharing your vast store of automobile knowledge with us poor ignorant knuckle draggers.

You know, sometimes some of you people really gripe my ass. We always say that we need to work on alternative forms of energy when in fact people have been working on it for years. Many have had some success. In most cases they have been stopped and/or hindered by the government and the big oil companies.

There have been way too many articles about high mileage carburetors not to believe someone has not worked on one. I personally found the reports of the Pogue Carburetor interesting.

"Apr. 30,1936 J1-A,18 CARBURETION, FORD MOTOR CO. FORD MOTOR CO., Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada: Tests the POGUE Carburetor and is at "a loss to understand" how the carburetor got "25.7 miles on one pint of gasoline"! (That's approximately 205 mpg). Mr. W.J. Holmes and Mr. Purdy conducted the test for FORD MOTOR CO. (see 1/7/36)"

I will admit I have never seen one. Perhaps it does not exist. Then again, perhaps you it does. We have only your word that you have all of the experience and knowledge you have previously claimed to have. For all I know you may be a shill who is putting out disinformation for some oil company. Perhaps you are looking at a 150 mile carburetor sitting on your shelf even as we speak. I would say that is probably not the case, but who knows. Perhaps you are posting from a controlled access environment where you are only allowed to be out of your room at certain times. Perhaps you are wearing a tinfoil hat.

In any case, my mind is open to possibilities while yours is obviously locked in your own conservative little world as you laugh at and find fault with anyone who has a different opinion that yours.

FTR - MY APOLOGIES SIR FOR SEEMINGLY HIJACKING YOUR THREAD. THAT WAS NOT MY INTENTION.




Hey new guy -

Y'know what "gripes my ass"?
People who don't have the faintest idea of how cars work, yet are the first to put out gross misinformation, speculation and flat-out lies under the cover of conspiracy theories. You can't prove shit but that won't stop you from railing at those who do, in fact, know what they are talking about.

I have nothing to prove to anyone on this board or elsewhere. I suggest you stop whining and learn something about the subject at hand, lest you continue to look like an idiot. Straighten up and fly right.

PS - let me know when you create a perpetual motion machine.



Hey new guy? Is that some lame attempt on your part to demean me and my opinions in an attempt to make yourself feel or appear superior? You feel that simply because you have been on a porn site for 6 years you have some sort of credibility? You really do need a tinfoil hat if that is the way you think.

As far as you suggesting that I stop whining and learn something, look like an idiot or that I straighten up and fly right you are delusional. I now know that you are another pseudo-intellectual elitist snob who walks around looking down on everyone he doesn't agree with or who doesn't agree with you. You pop off words like, idiot, moron, loser, etc. to inflate your ego and make up for your lack of self esteem. Instead of condemning others who do not have your obviously closed mind, please step out of your comfort zone and seek professional help.

A perpetual motion machine? No one mentioned anything like that. You brought that up in an obvious attempt to denigrate my ideas by laughing at them and me. You really are an elitist snob.

I could probably say more, but in the real world what is said in this venue, your opinions and ideas, and probably even you do not matter. This has been a total waste of time. I am gone and will talk with you no more. Sheesh! People like you almost make me want to vote for McCain. Hmm! I wonder if we can talk Ron Paul into running on a third party ticket.

Adroitbeing

Adroitbeing

I'm lost
September 2003

MAY 08, 2008 04:08 PM

QuargWarrior said:

Stiles said:

QuargWarrior said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)


Stiles, I am very happy you are such an expert and "have years of direct experience with engines in general (including that one, in 1960's Ford cars) and many certifications, degrees, etc in the auto field along with a heavy technical and real-world auto experience." Thank you for sharing your vast store of automobile knowledge with us poor ignorant knuckle draggers.

You know, sometimes some of you people really gripe my ass. We always say that we need to work on alternative forms of energy when in fact people have been working on it for years. Many have had some success. In most cases they have been stopped and/or hindered by the government and the big oil companies.

There have been way too many articles about high mileage carburetors not to believe someone has not worked on one. I personally found the reports of the Pogue Carburetor interesting.

"Apr. 30,1936 J1-A,18 CARBURETION, FORD MOTOR CO. FORD MOTOR CO., Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada: Tests the POGUE Carburetor and is at "a loss to understand" how the carburetor got "25.7 miles on one pint of gasoline"! (That's approximately 205 mpg). Mr. W.J. Holmes and Mr. Purdy conducted the test for FORD MOTOR CO. (see 1/7/36)"

I will admit I have never seen one. Perhaps it does not exist. Then again, perhaps you it does. We have only your word that you have all of the experience and knowledge you have previously claimed to have. For all I know you may be a shill who is putting out disinformation for some oil company. Perhaps you are looking at a 150 mile carburetor sitting on your shelf even as we speak. I would say that is probably not the case, but who knows. Perhaps you are posting from a controlled access environment where you are only allowed to be out of your room at certain times. Perhaps you are wearing a tinfoil hat.

In any case, my mind is open to possibilities while yours is obviously locked in your own conservative little world as you laugh at and find fault with anyone who has a different opinion that yours.

FTR - MY APOLOGIES SIR FOR SEEMINGLY HIJACKING YOUR THREAD. THAT WAS NOT MY INTENTION.




Hey new guy -

Y'know what "gripes my ass"?
People who don't have the faintest idea of how cars work, yet are the first to put out gross misinformation, speculation and flat-out lies under the cover of conspiracy theories. You can't prove shit but that won't stop you from railing at those who do, in fact, know what they are talking about.

I have nothing to prove to anyone on this board or elsewhere. I suggest you stop whining and learn something about the subject at hand, lest you continue to look like an idiot. Straighten up and fly right.

PS - let me know when you create a perpetual motion machine.



Hey new guy? Is that some lame attempt on your part to demean me and my opinions in an attempt to make yourself feel or appear superior? You feel that simply because you have been on a porn site for 6 years you have some sort of credibility? You really do need a tinfoil hat if that is the way you think.

As far as you suggesting that I stop whining and learn something, look like an idiot or that I straighten up and fly right you are delusional. I now know that you are another pseudo-intellectual elitist snob who walks around looking down on everyone he doesn't agree with or who doesn't agree with you. You pop off words like, idiot, moron, loser, etc. to inflate your ego and make up for your lack of self esteem. Instead of condemning others who do not have your obviously closed mind, please step out of your comfort zone and seek professional help.

A perpetual motion machine? No one mentioned anything like that. You brought that up in an obvious attempt to denigrate my ideas by laughing at them and me. You really are an elitist snob.

I could probably say more, but in the real world what is said in this venue, your opinions and ideas, and probably even you do not matter. This has been a total waste of time. I am gone and will talk with you no more. Sheesh! People like you almost make me want to vote for McCain. Hmm! I wonder if we can talk Ron Paul into running on a third party ticket.



So, perhaps you can untwist your panties and remove them from your eyes long enough to provide some shred of evidence or scientific proof to your unsubstantiated avowals. You see, some of the "elitists" on this site earned that moniker through education, hard work, research, insight, demonstrated intellect, and experience. Their opinions have been credentialized.

Yours on the other hand remain unsubstantiated and hollow and have subsequently been filed with others under the broad category "uninformed, but emotional."

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

MAY 08, 2008 04:16 PM

I brought up your new-guy status because you haven't been around long enough to get a good handle on which members know their stuff within their respective professions. Good things to know before you pick a fight with someone who may know exponentially more about a subject than you.

"Ignorant, loser, moron, knuckle dragger" are your words, not mine. You're the guy who suggested I had on a "tinfoil hat", yet you are the one pushing conspiracy theories. You're the guy calling me snob, elitist, etc. Hit a nerve, eh?


I did not call you an idiot, I said:

I suggest you stop whining and learn something about the subject at hand, lest you continue to look like an idiot.



Which still applies. There is a difference there. Can you understand it? Posting stuff as true that can be disproven with a 20 second Google search tends to make people not take you seriously.

You have posted ridiculous allegations and crackpot theories, not to mention debunked frauds and the physically impossible presented as true. You have backed up exactly nothing you have posted with any facts.

As a side note, I am always amused by people who think "intellectual" is an insult.

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