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Being Straight Just Isn't Enough Anymore

SATURDAY APRIL 26 2008 1:30 PM

Submitted by JekyllAndHyde. Edited By crispy.

TAGS: Iraq, atheism, discrimination, US Army

If God said, "Thou shalt not kill," how can belief in God be a prerequisite for military service?

With the shitstorm in Iraq resulting in (among other things) personnel deficiencies in the United States military, one would think the Army would be attempting to keep the soldiers they already have. However, a soldier who enlisted to serve his country and fight terrorism is claiming he has suffered discrimination; not because he is gay, but because he is an atheist.

Like hundreds of young men joining the Army in recent years, Jeremy Hall professes a desire to serve his country while it fights terrorism.

But the short and soft-spoken specialist is at the center of a legal controversy. He has filed a lawsuit alleging he's been harassed and his constitutional rights have been violated because he doesn't believe in God. The suit names Defense Secretary Robert Gates.


While this is not official military policy, it seems to me that anyone who is actually ready and willing to go over to Iraq should be welcome to do so, regardless of their beliefs or sexual orientation. Then again, I'm naïve enough to still attempt to apply logic to anything involving this war.

Known as "the atheist guy," Hall has been called immoral, a devil worshipper and -- just as severe to some soldiers -- gay, none of which, he says, is true. Hall even drove fellow soldiers to church in Iraq and paused while they prayed before meals.

"I see a name and rank and United States flag on their shoulder. That's what I believe everyone else should see," he said.

Hall, 23, was raised in a Protestant family in North Carolina and dropped out of school. It wasn't until he joined the Army that he began questioning religion, eventually deciding he couldn't follow any faith.

But he feared how that would look to other soldiers.

"I was ashamed to say that I was an atheist," Hall said.

It eventually came out in Iraq in 2007, when he was in a firefight. Hall was a gunner on a Humvee, which took several bullets in its protective shield. Afterward, his commander asked whether he believed in God, Hall said.

"I said, 'No, but I believe in Plexiglas,"' Hall said. "I've never believed I was going to a happy place. You get one life. When I die, I'm worm food."


Great, let's take one more step toward making this a religious crusade. Should we just go ahead and make it a requirement for military service that you fuck the other gender, and view your enemies as enemies of the one true Lord who hates fags and abortionists and liberals?

Hall said he had had enough but feared he wouldn't get support from Welborn's superiors. He turned to Mikey Weinstein and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.

Weinstein is the foundation's president and a U.S. Air Force Academy graduate. He had previously sued the Air Force for acts he said illegally imposed Christianity on students at the academy, though that case was dismissed. He calls Hall a hero.

"The average American doesn't have enough intestinal fortitude to tell someone to shut up if they are talking in a movie theater," Weinstein said. "You know how hard it is to take on your chain of command? This isn't the shift manager at KFC."

Hall was in Qatar when the lawsuit was filed on September 18 in federal court in Kansas City, Kansas. Other soldiers learned of it and he feared for his own safety. Once, Hall said, a group of soldiers followed him, harassing him, but no one did anything to make it stop.

The Army told him it couldn't protect him and sent him back to Fort Riley. He resumed duties with a military police battalion. He believes his promotion to sergeant has been blocked because of his lawsuit, but he is a team leader responsible for two junior enlisted soldiers.


I'll say right now that I usually don't have the balls to tell someone to shut up in a theater either, much less sign up for military service. On one hand, if a guy's in Iraq, having to endure harrassment from other soldiers seems like it wouldn't be that big of a concern next to worrying about IEDs. On the other hand, the Army's comment about not being able to "protect him" should make anyone nervous. If a soldier can't trust his compatriots in a war zone, there's a problem.

Lt. Col. David Shurtleff, a Fort Riley chaplain, declined to discuss Hall's case but said chaplains accommodate all faiths as best they can. In most cases, religious issues can be worked out without jeopardizing military operations.

"When you're in Afghanistan and an IED blows up a Humvee, they aren't asking about a wounded soldier's faith," Shurtleff said.


And yet

Hall said he enjoys being a team leader but has been told that having faith would make him a better leader.

"I will take care of my soldiers. Nowhere does it say I have to pray with my soldiers, but I do have to make sure my soldiers' religious needs are met," he said.

"Religion brings comfort to a lot of people," he said. "Personally, I don't want it or need it. But I'm not going to get down on anybody else for it."


Seeing as how I'm safely tucked at home in Texas and not patrolling the streets of Iraq, it's not really my place to criticize the military, but, my aforementioned naïveté demands me to question how they could possibly see driving even more qualified soldiers away as a positive thing. Especially when the doors are opening wider to allow more convicted felons to enlist.

Personally, I do believe in God, but it's idiocy like this that has made me hesitant to say that out loud.

This is the Army now: you can be be a rapist and it's fine as long as you raped the other gender; you can be a religious extremist but not an atheist.

And we wonder why enrollments are down and we're losing the war....

 

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bald_eagle

bald_eagle

Indianapolis, IN
November 2006

APR 28, 2008 11:59 AM

KUNGFOO said:

ItsSoDamnHot said:

Go outside guys. It's probably a nice day today. Stretch those legs a little. Find work. Meet a girl. Start a family someday. Get some life experience that doesn't include hiding behind a computer. And Rudie, I doubt your grandpa fought in WWII so his grandson could get drunk and from the safety of a keyboard, act like a toughguy.



Ah, good ol' CE escape plan A -- "I have failed to make a logical argument; therefor I will attempt to escape the debate via a distraction by calling you an Internet nerd".


Ah, give the n00b a break. He doesn't realize it's not a new strategy. He thinks he's being fresh and witty.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

APR 28, 2008 12:01 PM

malkav11 said:
I don't think there are more than a tiny handful of atheists by that (EmotedCreations') definition. But I don't think it's fair to say that 99.99% certainty (which is more or less where I stand) is functionally uncertain. It's as close to certainty as makes no difference, and as certain as I am comfortable being about anything, because I don't believe it's physically possible for any human being to know anything with absolute certainty...at least, not based on evidence, logic, or other rational processes.

I guess the "I admit to the potential of a divine being" made me think you were a little more than 0.10% uncertain. And I'd agree that functionally 99.9% certainly falls into the category of atheism, however, theoretically, as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't*.

Again, let me be clear, belief is a tricky business and it's not for me to tell you whether or not you're atheist. That's for you to define (I consider myself a Buddhist, however, there ares some Buddhists who'd argue that I'm not since I've yet to take my refuge vows.) But that's how I personally divide belief of God into categories.

*Because again, theoretically you'd have to be 100% certain in the absence of God, otherwise, I'd consider you agnostic.

ItsSoDamnHot

ItsSoDamnHot

I'm lost
April 2008

APR 28, 2008 12:10 PM

KUNGFOO said:

ItsSoDamnHot said:

Go outside guys. It's probably a nice day today. Stretch those legs a little. Find work. Meet a girl. Start a family someday. Get some life experience that doesn't include hiding behind a computer. And Rudie, I doubt your grandpa fought in WWII so his grandson could get drunk and from the safety of a keyboard, act like a toughguy.



Ah, good ol' CE escape plan A -- "I have failed to make a logical argument; therefor I will attempt to escape the debate via a distraction by calling you an Internet nerd".



You guys are unbelievably priceless! JV teams, it's debate club, we demand you back up your logic to match our brilliance, I win, this is what is expected of you on the boards, on and on and on.

A CE escape plan? I don't even know what a CE is. And what kind of person has to escape from an anonymous computer blog. And who gives a rat's ass if you think you are an internet nerd? So what? Do whatever the fuck you want to do. The only one apparently self-conscious about that is you. I could care less, but a number of you IN MY OPINION seem really insecure and get off on this kinda' blogfighting because it gives you a sense of personal power and self-esteem that you probably don't have in real life.

Don't worry, I'll leave your little boards alone. I've already cancelled my account. It's fun, but I'd never sleep. I'm sure I'll check back later today though. Looking forward to more insults. Keep'em coming!

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

APR 28, 2008 12:19 PM

ItsSoDamnHot said:
A CE escape plan? I don't even know what a CE is.

Priceless!

scylis

scylis

Anchorage, AK
November 2004

APR 28, 2008 12:23 PM

ItsSoDamnHot said:

KUNGFOO said:

ItsSoDamnHot said:

Go outside guys. It's probably a nice day today. Stretch those legs a little. Find work. Meet a girl. Start a family someday. Get some life experience that doesn't include hiding behind a computer. And Rudie, I doubt your grandpa fought in WWII so his grandson could get drunk and from the safety of a keyboard, act like a toughguy.



Ah, good ol' CE escape plan A -- "I have failed to make a logical argument; therefor I will attempt to escape the debate via a distraction by calling you an Internet nerd".



You guys are unbelievably priceless! JV teams, it's debate club, we demand you back up your logic to match our brilliance, I win, this is what is expected of you on the boards, on and on and on.

A CE escape plan? I don't even know what a CE is. And what kind of person has to escape from an anonymous computer blog. And who gives a rat's ass if you think you are an internet nerd? So what? Do whatever the fuck you want to do. The only one apparently self-conscious about that is you. I could care less, but a number of you IN MY OPINION seem really insecure and get off on this kinda' blogfighting because it gives you a sense of personal power and self-esteem that you probably don't have in real life.

Don't worry, I'll leave your little boards alone. I've already cancelled my account. It's fun, but I'd never sleep. I'm sure I'll check back later today though. Looking forward to more insults. Keep'em coming!



you're in the _urrent _vents board. you're letters are R S T L N E D B C and I.

you have 30 seconds starting.... now.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Altadena, CA
April 2005

APR 28, 2008 12:36 PM

Well, I am an internet nerd...

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
Proud and connected.

scylis

scylis

Anchorage, AK
November 2004

APR 28, 2008 12:40 PM

KUNGFOO said:
Well, I am an internet nerd...

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
Proud and connected.



ditto. i could just be parked in front of the TV like previous decades would have us do. at least here i'm doing something.

coyotemike

coyotemike

Kearney, NE
May 2006

APR 28, 2008 12:56 PM

emotedcreations said:

ItsSoDamnHot said:
A CE escape plan? I don't even know what a CE is.

Priceless!



I had to go reread all I missed since last night just so I could see where this line came in.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

APR 28, 2008 12:57 PM

coyotemike said:

emotedcreations said:

ItsSoDamnHot said:
A CE escape plan? I don't even know what a CE is.

Priceless!



I had to go reread all I missed since last night just so I could see where this line came in.

I might just make it my mini-feed (or whatever you call the "emotedcreations will be dead before Kiev" on your profile).

"emotedcreations doesn't even know what a CE is."

coyotemike

coyotemike

Kearney, NE
May 2006

APR 28, 2008 12:59 PM

CE? We don't need no steenking CE!!!

Chainlink

Chainlink

Dickeyville, WI
August 2005

APR 28, 2008 01:37 PM

coyotemike said:
CE? We don't need no steenking CE!!!



Cyclical Energy ?

Round and round we go ! weeeeeeeeee

coyotemike

coyotemike

Kearney, NE
May 2006

APR 28, 2008 01:42 PM

Chainlink said:

coyotemike said:
CE? We don't need no steenking CE!!!



Cyclical Energy ?

Round and round we go ! weeeeeeeeee



That about sums up the previous 5 pages or so tongue

ItsSoDamnHot

ItsSoDamnHot

I'm lost
April 2008

APR 28, 2008 01:43 PM

scylis said:
you're in the _urrent _vents board. you're letters are R S T L N E D B C and I.

you have 30 seconds starting.... now.



all right... yeah. That's good. That stung a bit...

(but thank you, CE = Current Events, got it now...)

formerviking

formerviking

Denver, PA
May 2006

APR 28, 2008 02:03 PM

Everyone knows CE = Chaotic Evil mad

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

APR 28, 2008 02:36 PM

formerviking said:
Everyone knows CE = Chaotic Evil mad



Exactly.

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