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Being Straight Just Isn't Enough Anymore

SATURDAY APRIL 26 2008 1:30 PM

Submitted by JekyllAndHyde. Edited By crispy.

TAGS: Iraq, atheism, discrimination, US Army

If God said, "Thou shalt not kill," how can belief in God be a prerequisite for military service?

With the shitstorm in Iraq resulting in (among other things) personnel deficiencies in the United States military, one would think the Army would be attempting to keep the soldiers they already have. However, a soldier who enlisted to serve his country and fight terrorism is claiming he has suffered discrimination; not because he is gay, but because he is an atheist.

Like hundreds of young men joining the Army in recent years, Jeremy Hall professes a desire to serve his country while it fights terrorism.

But the short and soft-spoken specialist is at the center of a legal controversy. He has filed a lawsuit alleging he's been harassed and his constitutional rights have been violated because he doesn't believe in God. The suit names Defense Secretary Robert Gates.


While this is not official military policy, it seems to me that anyone who is actually ready and willing to go over to Iraq should be welcome to do so, regardless of their beliefs or sexual orientation. Then again, I'm naïve enough to still attempt to apply logic to anything involving this war.

Known as "the atheist guy," Hall has been called immoral, a devil worshipper and -- just as severe to some soldiers -- gay, none of which, he says, is true. Hall even drove fellow soldiers to church in Iraq and paused while they prayed before meals.

"I see a name and rank and United States flag on their shoulder. That's what I believe everyone else should see," he said.

Hall, 23, was raised in a Protestant family in North Carolina and dropped out of school. It wasn't until he joined the Army that he began questioning religion, eventually deciding he couldn't follow any faith.

But he feared how that would look to other soldiers.

"I was ashamed to say that I was an atheist," Hall said.

It eventually came out in Iraq in 2007, when he was in a firefight. Hall was a gunner on a Humvee, which took several bullets in its protective shield. Afterward, his commander asked whether he believed in God, Hall said.

"I said, 'No, but I believe in Plexiglas,"' Hall said. "I've never believed I was going to a happy place. You get one life. When I die, I'm worm food."


Great, let's take one more step toward making this a religious crusade. Should we just go ahead and make it a requirement for military service that you fuck the other gender, and view your enemies as enemies of the one true Lord who hates fags and abortionists and liberals?

Hall said he had had enough but feared he wouldn't get support from Welborn's superiors. He turned to Mikey Weinstein and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.

Weinstein is the foundation's president and a U.S. Air Force Academy graduate. He had previously sued the Air Force for acts he said illegally imposed Christianity on students at the academy, though that case was dismissed. He calls Hall a hero.

"The average American doesn't have enough intestinal fortitude to tell someone to shut up if they are talking in a movie theater," Weinstein said. "You know how hard it is to take on your chain of command? This isn't the shift manager at KFC."

Hall was in Qatar when the lawsuit was filed on September 18 in federal court in Kansas City, Kansas. Other soldiers learned of it and he feared for his own safety. Once, Hall said, a group of soldiers followed him, harassing him, but no one did anything to make it stop.

The Army told him it couldn't protect him and sent him back to Fort Riley. He resumed duties with a military police battalion. He believes his promotion to sergeant has been blocked because of his lawsuit, but he is a team leader responsible for two junior enlisted soldiers.


I'll say right now that I usually don't have the balls to tell someone to shut up in a theater either, much less sign up for military service. On one hand, if a guy's in Iraq, having to endure harrassment from other soldiers seems like it wouldn't be that big of a concern next to worrying about IEDs. On the other hand, the Army's comment about not being able to "protect him" should make anyone nervous. If a soldier can't trust his compatriots in a war zone, there's a problem.

Lt. Col. David Shurtleff, a Fort Riley chaplain, declined to discuss Hall's case but said chaplains accommodate all faiths as best they can. In most cases, religious issues can be worked out without jeopardizing military operations.

"When you're in Afghanistan and an IED blows up a Humvee, they aren't asking about a wounded soldier's faith," Shurtleff said.


And yet

Hall said he enjoys being a team leader but has been told that having faith would make him a better leader.

"I will take care of my soldiers. Nowhere does it say I have to pray with my soldiers, but I do have to make sure my soldiers' religious needs are met," he said.

"Religion brings comfort to a lot of people," he said. "Personally, I don't want it or need it. But I'm not going to get down on anybody else for it."


Seeing as how I'm safely tucked at home in Texas and not patrolling the streets of Iraq, it's not really my place to criticize the military, but, my aforementioned naïveté demands me to question how they could possibly see driving even more qualified soldiers away as a positive thing. Especially when the doors are opening wider to allow more convicted felons to enlist.

Personally, I do believe in God, but it's idiocy like this that has made me hesitant to say that out loud.

This is the Army now: you can be be a rapist and it's fine as long as you raped the other gender; you can be a religious extremist but not an atheist.

And we wonder why enrollments are down and we're losing the war....

 

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sitar

sitar

Philadelphia, PA
June 2004

APR 26, 2008 03:36 PM

coyotemike said:
I actually had one of my students tell me in a debate "You don't believe in god, so your opinion doesn't matter."

Lovely.



i can't help but wonder what you were actually discussing.
and what your opinion was, and what his opinion was.

fill us in?

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

APR 26, 2008 03:37 PM

i dunno. i've read this story a couple of times, and... i dunno. i'm just not getting any strong indicators of persecution on Hall's part. i see three complaints mentioned: 1) he gets called names, 2) his XO (or maybe his S-3?) tried to bring him up on charges for organizing an atheist meeting, and 3) he's having trouble making E-5.

this really looks more like a personality conflict to me than any sort of widespread problem. it's entirely possible that i'm wrong, and that Hall is the target of a military-wide conspiracy against anyone brazen enough to declare god is dead... but that's not what it feels like, to me. it strikes me as being highly likely that he's having trouble making E-5 because he not all that well-liked, as supported by complaint 1. and what happened to the charges that his XO tried to bring against him? apparently they went away--did his XO suddenly realize that the power of the vast anti-atheist conspiracy was no match for one lone man who was willing to speak out and be heard? or did the XO decide that he just didn't have the time or stomach to deal with a bedroll lawyer like Hall?

i'm not saying that Hall is necessarily the bad guy, here. i'm just pointing out that it's entirely possible that this whole thing is horseshit, and that we shouldn't be all-fired up to damn the military until the facts are known. i, personally, never experienced anything remotely similar to what Hall is going through. maybe i'm the anomaly, or maybe he is--or maybe he's just another dickhead. try to keep all three possibilities in mind.

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

APR 26, 2008 03:39 PM

SockPuppet said:
Mmm hm. The USA is engaged in a war on Muslim soil, which the other side is trying to paint as a jihad against Christian crusaders. Meanwhile, US military culture pushes for Christian belief to be mandatory.
Yeah, that'll work.



And it will, too. Onward. . . And well, you know the rest.

The biggest threat to American victory is the American Heathen, aka The Great Secular Humanist Mofo. We just can't stand for that kind of threat to our nations pristine righteousness. It's freedom of religion, and not freedom from religion that's at the heart of the nation, and so forth and so on.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

United Kingdom
July 2006

APR 26, 2008 03:44 PM

Bill_the_Cat said:

coyotemike said:
I actually had one of my students tell me in a debate "You don't believe in god, so your opinion doesn't matter."

Lovely.



You know the logical response to that, of course...



"Remember who's marking your assignments..." ? Tempting, but it only reinforces the fool's belief that everyone works in a partisan way.



SockPuppet

SockPuppet

United Kingdom
July 2006

APR 26, 2008 03:47 PM

wildswan said:

SockPuppet said:
Mmm hm. The USA is engaged in a war on Muslim soil, which the other side is trying to paint as a jihad against Christian crusaders. Meanwhile, US military culture pushes for Christian belief to be mandatory.
Yeah, that'll work.



And it will, too. Onward. . . And well, you know the rest.

The biggest threat to American victory is the American Heathen, aka The Great Secular Humanist Mofo. We just can't stand for that kind of threat to our nations pristine righteousness. It's freedom of religion, and not freedom from religion that's at the heart of the nation, and so forth and so on.



Exactly.

It's likely that the greatest threat to American success is the belief in American victory.

DannyDMc

DannyDMc

Fargo, ND
July 2003

APR 26, 2008 04:08 PM

coyotemike said:
I actually had one of my students tell me in a debate "You don't believe in god, so your opinion doesn't matter."

Lovely.



Yup, I had the same sort of thing happen to me.

I was teaching in a native village in Alaska where the local church was, more or less, the only real source of authority. Now, I'm not an atheist at all; I've had friends who were and who've tried to explain it to me, I just don't 'get it'. I should also explain that I am not a Satanist at all; pretty much, the same thing applies.
Being a wanderer by nature, I've tried to identify myself with several different title and, lately, have just given up and just describe myself as a "lapsed Catholic" which works well enough.
ANYWAY

Since I did not go to the local church, and actively attempted to NOT discuss religion while teaching, save for criticizing those students who insulted other religions, I was quickly branded with the term "atheist" by my students and others in the village, and I was harassed about it on more than one occasion.
I guess I shouldn't have been surprised; in a public school where people hang religious symbols up all over the place, the guy who DOESN'T go to church would be seen as the dreaded 'outsider'.
I was eventually pulled aside by my principle (a great woman who I have the upmost respect for) who explained the problem to me. Apparently, everyone was starting to believe the major rumor in the village was that I was either an Atheist or a Satanist or, somehow, BOTH. It explained the growing distance between my students and myself, and was just one more reason why I was generally being treated like shit by everyone.
I was never quiet sure how to take this; part of me wanted to laugh it off, another part was horribly offended. I eventually settled on, both.
So, to make a long story short, I became very hostile to the church, and any attempt by others to force their beliefs on me. Also, with no one to really talk to about it, I comforted myself by reading a lot of Joseph Campbell during those two years.

So, yah, I can feel for this poor guy. Its not easy to be 'that guy' with beliefs that differ from others, especially if you're in a very isolated and insular environment (and I imagine that being in a combat unit in the middle of a foreign country certainly counts). Hopefully the law suite goes well for him.

J24U

J24U

Danvers, MA
February 2006

APR 26, 2008 04:47 PM

This reminds me of an incident when I was in basic training some time ago. A few of the drill instructors discovered that one of my squad-mates was Wiccan. They verbally harrassed him and rode his ass pretty hard about witchcraft and all sorts of ignorant bullshit for several days. He later told me it wasn't the first time he experienced harrassment throughout the enlistment process, and expected more of it in the future.

I should note that it was only a couple of D.I's who participtaed, and I myself was never harrassed for having "No Religious Preference" on my dogtags. So I think it just comes down to the fact that some people are intolerant assholes looking for a target, and every now and then you are just going to find yourself surrounded by them, military or not.

yurei

yurei

Japan
June 2006

APR 26, 2008 06:36 PM

So there's religious zealots on both sides of the war, is that really a surprise?

68stretch

68stretch

Portland, OR
March 2003

APR 26, 2008 06:54 PM

This demonstrates a common hypocracy. Often military, police, firefighters will use the, "I'm just not sure I can count on that (insert name of minority here)". Then it turns out the straight white christians are the ones who threaten and/or abandon their comrade.

ohash

ohash

Columbus, OH
May 2007

APR 26, 2008 07:17 PM

I have heard from certain military men I know that the bond you build is something that cannot be understood by someone who hasn't served, so this poor guy is over there being harassed by people that should have his back and look out for him. I sure as hell wouldn't be thinking I could count on them.

This story makes me sad. frown

DannyFunwrecker

DannyFunwrecker

Copperas Cove, TX
February 2008

APR 26, 2008 08:19 PM

If he's a senior 4 like this article says, and not some college 4 punk ass, he's been in a minute and knows how things work. This guy didn't use ANY of his support structure or chain of command to straighten things out, instead he went straight to some outside source that's going to turn this whole thing into a shit storm. If this is how homeboy handles things in terms of his career I guarantee it's not his religious beliefs the dudes in his unit have a problem with.

DannyFunwrecker

DannyFunwrecker

Copperas Cove, TX
February 2008

APR 26, 2008 08:19 PM

JekyllAndHyde

JekyllAndHyde

Austin, TX
April 2005

APR 26, 2008 08:58 PM

motorfirebox said:
huh. i dunno, maybe he had the bad luck to get assigned to some kind of crazy god-squad unit, or maybe i had the good like to get assigned to units that were exceptionally laid-back wrt religion, but i never ran into anything like this.

ps, 'felon' has one l!



D'oh! And I'm about to enter a Creative Writing MFA program....

coyotemike

coyotemike

USA
May 2006

APR 26, 2008 09:03 PM

JekyllAndHyde said:

motorfirebox said:
huh. i dunno, maybe he had the bad luck to get assigned to some kind of crazy god-squad unit, or maybe i had the good like to get assigned to units that were exceptionally laid-back wrt religion, but i never ran into anything like this.

ps, 'felon' has one l!



D'oh! And I'm about to enter a Creative Writing MFA program....



Don't fret. That's what spell-checkers and editing sessions are for.

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

APR 26, 2008 09:04 PM

coyotemike said:

JekyllAndHyde said:

motorfirebox said:
huh. i dunno, maybe he had the bad luck to get assigned to some kind of crazy god-squad unit, or maybe i had the good like to get assigned to units that were exceptionally laid-back wrt religion, but i never ran into anything like this.

ps, 'felon' has one l!



D'oh! And I'm about to enter a Creative Writing MFA program....



Don't fret. That's what spell-checkers and editing sessions are for.


Except when they miss it, too.

tongue

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