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George Bush is such a colossal fuck up it is astounding. Every choice the administration makes in Iraq turns out to be the wrong choice. Their latest blunder is backing the wrong Shiite in Iraq. Today, after a couple of days of violence in Iraq, a new strongman has risen and his name is Muqtada al-Sadr. Our guy is the other guy -- the weak one.

Al-Sadr played Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki like a couple of children. Seven months ago, al-Sadr agreed to a cease-fire in Iraq – which has led many right wing morons to believe the surge has been a success. They are, of course, fucking idiots desperate to prove that their imbecilic support of the invasion was the right call. Deaths have dropped in Iraq because al-Sadr has not been killing people and we have been paying Sunni insurgents not to kill people. Last week, the cease-fire with al-Sadr took a break – just long enough to show who is the big boy in Iraq. And his name ain’t Maliki.

We’re supposed to believe that Al-Sadr is the bad guy and Maliki is the good guy. The truth is they both are nasty motherfuckers. Both sides are guilty of sectarian cleansing. Both have strong connections to Iran. Maliki has been using the US military and the Iraqi Army to arrest and kill members of al-Sadr’s militia, The Mahdi Army. But this week, al-Sadr fought back, which is exactly what Maliki was hoping for. Maliki expected the US to fight this battle for him. His master plan was to get our guys to wipe out al-Sadr, leaving him as the last Shiite standing.

The fighting first started in Basra. Maliki claimed he was cracking down on “criminals,” but it was obviously a massive power grab. And a pretty pathetic one, at that. First rule of power grab: Make sure you aren’t a retard. Maliki clearly didn’t realize his pals the Iranians and his other pals, the Americans, don’t want a civil war between Iraqi Shiites. So, Maliki and the Islamic Supreme Council started the fighting in Basra and al-Sadr pushed back – and he pushed back hard.

The fighting moved to Baghdad, where US forces were also involved. There Maliki learned the second lesson of power grab: Make sure all the guys on your side are actually on your side. Many members of the Iraqi Army walked away from checkpoints, because they support al-Sadr. Members of the Army were actually walking into al-Sadr’s offices and giving up their weapons.


One apparent offering took place in al-Sadr City and was witnessed by several dozen people, including Iraqi journalists. A Times employee saw about 40 police officers walk through al-Sadr City's dusty streets and lay their automatic weapons at the feet of Salman Furaiji, director of the al-Sadr office there.


Meanwhile, Iran wanted the fighting to end because Iran supports both Maliki and al-Sadr and would rather they don’t kill each other. They want the Shiites to save it up to attack the Sunnis when the US pulls out. Bush certainly does not want Iraq to fall further into chaos at this point, because it would devastate McCain’s chances in November and screw up his plan to leave a land mine for the incoming Democratic president. At the same time, the Kurds refused to get involved in Maliki’s moronic fight.


The other major component of the Iraqi Army, recruits from the Kurdish militias in northern Iraq, "would not go down to the south to fight this kind of fight."


Hello, blunder, my name is Maliki. Meanwhile, the Prime Minister was demanding the Mahdi Army disarm. He actually set a three-day deadline for the al-Sadr kids to turn in their weapons. There was some chuckling, a few shrugs and then the three days passed with no one turning in their guns. Day four: Maliki actually extended the deadline – and offered cash for weapons. Third rule of power grab: Don’t look like a massive pussy.

The US provided air support for Maliki’s weak ass forces and al-Sadr held strong. Turns out it is very hard to dislodge highly motivated indigenous fighters who know every nook and cranny in the area. Who knew? I mean, besides everybody. Rule number four of power grab: Read at least one book on the history of urban warfare.

After a couple days and a few hundred dead guys, Iran said enough is enough. Officials in Maliki’s own government told him to stop his little war and went to Iran for help.


Iraqi lawmakers traveled to the Iranian holy city of Qom over the weekend to win the support of the commander of Iran's Qods brigades in persuading Shiite cleric Muqtada al al-Sadr to order his followers to stop military operations, members of the Iraqi parliament said.


Iran then brokered a peace deal. Maliki actually went to Iran to meet with al-Sadr – which brings up the fifth rule of power grab: Don’t beg your opponent to stop.

Bestest of allest, al-Sadr had a list of demands for Maliki before he would agree to an end to hostilities. The fucking rebel set the rule to end the conflict that the government started! Holy shit! Maliki is a plane crashing into a train wreck, falling on top of a car crash, hitting a boat. What an epic disaster. Rule number six of power grab: Don’t let your enemy kick your balls in.

Here is what Maliki agreed to:


    1. Ending armed manifestations in Basra governorate and all the other governates.
    2. Ending of attacks and illegal arbitrary detentions.
    3. Demand that the government apply the law on general amnesty, and release all prisoners who have not had charges confirmed against them, in particular prisoners belonging to the Al-Sadrist current.
    4. We announce that we will repudiate those who carry weapons and target the government and service agencies and institutions, or the offices of political parties.
    5. Cooperation with government agencies to bring about security and to charge criminals, according to due process of law.
    6. We reassert that the Al-Sadrist movement does not possess heavy weapons.
    7. Efforts [meaningful efforts are to be made] for the return to their residential areas of those who were forced out as a result of security incidents.
    8. We demand respect for human rights by the government in all of its security activities.
    9. Working [meaningful efforts are to be made] towards the realization of development and service projects in all governates.


Oh, and here’s a napkin to wipe yourself off the floor with. My favorite number in that list is 7. She’s a beaut. Maliki is demanding that Sunnis and Shiites be placed back in their homes, from which they were removed by sectarian cleansing. You now, the sectarian cleansing that the Mahdi army was responsible for – but so were the militias working under Maliki. Al-Sadr is trying to make the case that other Shiites were responsible for the cleansing, just as he has been trying to claim Maliki has been killing Sunnis and blaming the Mahdi army. Now he’s demanding those people be put back in their houses. It’s called politics and this was a master move. Rule number seven of power grab: Don’t take on a guy who is a million times smarter than you.


Many Iraqi politicians say that Mr. Maliki’s political capital has been severely depleted by the campaign and that he is now in the curious position of having to turn to Mr. al-Sadr, a longtime rival and now his opponent in battle, for a solution to the crisis.

“With this statement, Sayyed Moktada al-Sadr proved that he is a good politician, working for the sake of Iraq,” said Mahmoud al-Mashadani, the speaker of the Iraqi Parliament and a senior Sunni politician.


To top it all off, al-Sadr has now completely positioned himself as the only powerful man in Iraq who is against the US occupation. Maliki is Bush’s boy, and called in the US military to fight against his fellow Iraqis. The Sunnis have been collaborating with and accepting money from the US for over a year. The vast majority of Iraqis want the US to leave. Now they have a strong man who loudly opposes the occupation and has shown he will not back down. And guess what is coming later this year? An election.

The October provincial elections are one of the main reasons Maliki went after al-Sadr now. He’s been attempting to displace al-Sadr supporters, while inserting members of his own Dawa Party and the Islamic Supreme Council, in areas of Basra that al-Sadr controls. Maliki completely failed. He has all but assured a massive victory for al-Sadr this October.

The other big loser in the mess is the US. What a massive fuck up. We just injected ourselves into an inter-Shiite conflict and chose the wrong side. Going after assorted rogue groups in the Mahdi Army is one thing, but going after the entire al-Sadr organization on behalf of Maliki was moronic. Did I mention the vast majority of voting Iraqis want the US out of the country?

Any gains the US made with al-Sadr and his followers are gone.


The U.S. military now risks forfeiting gains with the al-Sadrists, arguably the most popular Shiite political movement across Iraq. Already, U.S. officers have reported a rise in attacks against them in Baghdad, where soldiers had benefited from the Mahdi Army's tacit cooperation.


The end result of this mess is that al-Sadr is far stronger and Maliki much weaker. The Iraqi Army appears considerably weaker, which isn’t a great sign for the future. Iran also is strengthened because they brokered the peace deal. The US is, once again, the clumsy fool.


Overnight al-Mahdi Army has melted back into the population in Baghdad and Basra after its leader, the anti-American cleric Moqtada al-al-Sadr, ordered it to stop fighting government forces.


The Mahdi Army went back into the shadows, waiting for the day when the US pulls out and they take over the country – if they are not just voted in this October.

 

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USMCSGT

USMCSGT

I'm lost
November 2006

APR 01, 2008 11:47 PM

FearTheReaper said:

groganre said:

gdarklighter said:

groganre said:
And I guess you should actually go to Iraq and see it for yourself instead of taking the position you are the last word because you read it in a newspaper.


Congratulations on missing the entire point of journalism. Your prize is a lifetime of unending mockery from your betters.



My betters huh? Are you my betters? You think you are better than me because I question others 'authority'? What makes you better than me?

Journalism isn't my issue here. My issue is that it was a rude comment stating that they guy was somehow wrong because of a few newspaper articles. Telling someone they are wrong on something, without actually experiencing it for yourself, is irresponsible. Just like an overwhelming amount of journalists. They care about a story and a gold statue, not the truth. But not all of them are that way mind you, some are really great people.



Maybe if the journalists could travel in Iraq without being killed, several times by US forces, they'd have a better view of things.



Armchair journalism is so easy isn't it? I'm not narrowminded either. Have you met any Iraqi civilians that you believe don't want us there. Cause I've met alot that do.

USMCSGT

USMCSGT

I'm lost
November 2006

APR 01, 2008 11:50 PM

JekyllAndHyde said:

groganre said:

KUNGFOO said:I'm saying your post is reminiscent of a simpleton.



I guess if not believing it's statistically possible to poll 1000 people to represent a whole nation makes me a simpleton, then I guess I am. That's makes absolutely no sense to me. That's not near enough information to make an accurate claim.

I've also noticed alot of animosity and insults towards others on this site. Why?


Have you talked to more than 1000 Iraqis? If not, how do you know any better? And I'm sorry, no offense, but claiming that every media outlet is biased and full of shit is like an elementary school kid complaining that all the teachers who caught him breaking the rules is biased against him.



Very good point. But I won't believe a college study that wasn't even done by them over my own experience. I never said every one of them was biased, but those in particular have been caught lying before. Really badly too.

Getting caught breaking rules multiple times and being disciplined, then claiming bias is a bad example. Bias is deserved against repeat offenders.

USMCSGT

USMCSGT

I'm lost
November 2006

APR 01, 2008 11:52 PM

KUNGFOO said:

In an interview with CNN earlier today, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) claimed that he has long understood the influence of Iraqi Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr:

"I said he was still major player and his influence is going to have to be reduced and gradually eliminated."

But in a report on The Situation Room today, the network noted that just two weeks ago McCain -- trying to paint a rosy picture of Iraq -- described Sadr very differently while speaking to CNN's John King in Baghdad:

"His [Sadr's] influence has been on the wane for a long time."



Link and Video

He's making even more flagrant slip-ups than Bush Co.



For what it's worth, I hate McCain. Alot. So making that a defensive point isn't going to make me respond. I don't like him just the same as you.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

APR 01, 2008 11:53 PM

groganre said:

Armchair journalism is so easy isn't it? I'm not narrowminded either. Have you met any Iraqi civilians that you believe don't want us there. Cause I've met alot that do.



Wow, you mean the Iraqis that are friendly with US troops actually want us there? I'm shocked.

You lack of understanding of polling is laughable.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

APR 01, 2008 11:56 PM



We could throw partisan blogs around all day. They're a dime a dozen. Doesn't mean shit because the NY Times is one of the most prominent news sources on earth.

I haven't seen many useful Airmen anywhere in my travels. Your compatriots have it way too easy. Hell, I never saw one in Iraq, and they were getting the same pay I was in Qatar eating ice cream and swimming in a pool. Respect is not high on my list for Airmen. Yeah, that was hypocritical before your vastly superior intelligence trys to point that out.



Thanks for the compliment! I was smart enough to join a service where we get to eat ice cream and go swimming all day and still get paid the same. That's what happens when you've been identified as intelligent enough not to be fodder. Also, they're paying for my tuition! Wheee.

USMCSGT

USMCSGT

I'm lost
November 2006

APR 01, 2008 11:58 PM

FearTheReaper said:

groganre said:

Armchair journalism is so easy isn't it? I'm not narrowminded either. Have you met any Iraqi civilians that you believe don't want us there. Cause I've met alot that do.



Wow, you mean the Iraqis that are friendly with US troops actually want us there? I'm shocked.

You lack of understanding of polling is laughable.



FearTheReaper said:

groganre said:

Armchair journalism is so easy isn't it? I'm not narrowminded either. Have you met any Iraqi civilians that you believe don't want us there. Cause I've met alot that do.



Wow, you mean the Iraqis that are friendly with US troops actually want us there? I'm shocked.

You lack of understanding of polling is laughable.



Then explain to me how the fuck 1000 people represent, accurately, a nation of millions.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

APR 01, 2008 11:59 PM

groganre said:

KUNGFOO said:

In an interview with CNN earlier today, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) claimed that he has long understood the influence of Iraqi Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr:

"I said he was still major player and his influence is going to have to be reduced and gradually eliminated."

But in a report on The Situation Room today, the network noted that just two weeks ago McCain -- trying to paint a rosy picture of Iraq -- described Sadr very differently while speaking to CNN's John King in Baghdad:

"His [Sadr's] influence has been on the wane for a long time."



Link and Video

He's making even more flagrant slip-ups than Bush Co.



For what it's worth, I hate McCain. Alot. So making that a defensive point isn't going to make me respond. I don't like him just the same as you.



Where did you get the idea that I posted that in response to you?

USMCSGT

USMCSGT

I'm lost
November 2006

APR 02, 2008 12:01 AM

KUNGFOO said:



We could throw partisan blogs around all day. They're a dime a dozen. Doesn't mean shit because the NY Times is one of the most prominent news sources on earth.

I haven't seen many useful Airmen anywhere in my travels. Your compatriots have it way too easy. Hell, I never saw one in Iraq, and they were getting the same pay I was in Qatar eating ice cream and swimming in a pool. Respect is not high on my list for Airmen. Yeah, that was hypocritical before your vastly superior intelligence trys to point that out.



Thanks for the compliment! I was smart enough to join a service where we get to eat ice cream and go swimming all day and still get paid the same. That's what happens when you've been identified as intelligent enough not to be fodder. Also, they're paying for my tuition! Wheee.



Your ASVAB score must be lower than mine because the Marines paid for mine too genius. What's your job again? At least you can sleep at night knowing that the Air Force spends money on shit it doesn't need. Glad to know the horrible Feds (GWB) think you need all that stuff. Makes the tax payers real happy.

USMCSGT

USMCSGT

I'm lost
November 2006

APR 02, 2008 12:02 AM

KUNGFOO said:

groganre said:

KUNGFOO said:

In an interview with CNN earlier today, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) claimed that he has long understood the influence of Iraqi Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr:

"I said he was still major player and his influence is going to have to be reduced and gradually eliminated."

But in a report on The Situation Room today, the network noted that just two weeks ago McCain -- trying to paint a rosy picture of Iraq -- described Sadr very differently while speaking to CNN's John King in Baghdad:

"His [Sadr's] influence has been on the wane for a long time."



Link and Video

He's making even more flagrant slip-ups than Bush Co.



For what it's worth, I hate McCain. Alot. So making that a defensive point isn't going to make me respond. I don't like him just the same as you.



Where did you get the idea that I posted that in response to you?



Whoops, my mistake. Sorry.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

APR 02, 2008 12:06 AM

groganre said:
...you joined a service that was weak, mentally and physically. You don't get the respect I do, enjoy your paycheck. What's your job again?



Sure. Okay. I don't care. It's irrelevant anyways. This is all started about you calling into question the integrity of scientific polling data.

USMCSGT

USMCSGT

I'm lost
November 2006

APR 02, 2008 12:18 AM

KUNGFOO said:

groganre said:
Your ASVAB score must be lower than mine because the Marines paid for mine too genius. And you joined a service that was weak, mentally and physically. You don't get the respect I do, enjoy your paycheck. What's your job again?



This is all started about you calling into question the integrity of scientific polling data.



I do, and did. I don't get how it works. Is anyone going to explain how 1,000 goes int 230 million accurately? Or am I going to get chided till everyone is blue in the face?

KUNGFOO said:I was smart enough to join a service where we get to eat ice cream and go swimming all day and still get paid the same. That's what happens when you've been identified as intelligent enough not to be fodder.


That little tidbit didn't go over well did it. Called me a stupid Marine, and gasp, it was you who was wrong. Great job stereotyping me as being stupid. Though I did the same calling Airmen quite weak and useless as a whole. The difference is mine is backed up by fact, not by acronyms. Or jealousy.

KUNGFOO said:We could throw partisan blogs around all day. They're a dime a dozen. Doesn't mean shit because the NY Times is one of the most prominent news sources on earth.



So lying is okay now? Doesn't meant anything cause they are the big bad NYT? That's seems oddly not at all right. I don't quite like liars, I hope you don't.

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

Knoxville, TN
OLD SKOOL

APR 02, 2008 12:33 AM

Where'd this new moron come from?

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

APR 02, 2008 12:38 AM

groganre said:

KUNGFOO said:
This is all started about you calling into question the integrity of scientific polling data.



I do, and did. I don't get how it works. Is anyone going to explain how 1,000 goes int 230 million accurately? Or am I going to get chided till everyone is blue in the face?



It doesn't go into 230 million accurately. That's why it's a scientific poll. Notice those all those disclaimers below polls that always mention a 1% or 2% margin of error?

Nothing is absolute. But polling is a tested and proven method of creating snap-shots of opinion. Your opinion isn't any more or less accurate than those 1,000 Iraqis of that particular poll.

Do we seriously have to have a class about the concept of polling? This is 10th grade shit.


That little tidbit didn't go over well did it. Called me a stupid Marine, and gasp, it was you who was wrong. Great job stereotyping me as being stupid. Though I did the same calling Airmen quite weak and useless as a whole. The difference is mine is backed up by fact, not by acronyms. Or jealousy.



I've been pretty tongue in cheek here. It was you that characterized me in the first place as having a cake job, but still getting paid equally for it. I just ran with it. But my pride isn't on display here. Truth is, I don't really give a shit about such things. The Air Force are teh gay. Whatever. whatever

So lying is okay now? Doesn't meant anything cause they are the big bad NYT? That's seems oddly not at all right. I don't quite like liars, I hope you don't.



Prove that the New York Times habitually lies with factual evidence. Or else, just shut the fuck up.

USMCSGT

USMCSGT

I'm lost
November 2006

APR 02, 2008 12:49 AM

BlastProcessing said:
Where'd this new moron come from?



Flowood MS. Not that you care. And yes Mississippi is the dumbest state in the union. I know.

USMCSGT

USMCSGT

I'm lost
November 2006

APR 02, 2008 12:52 AM

KUNGFOO
Prove that the New York Times habitually lies with factual evidence. Or else, just shut the fuck up.



I already gave to really bad ones. Those should be enough. It's good enough to catch an everyday person in a lie an ruin them forever, but for some reason the newsmedia is exempt from that.

And the whole Marine pride thing was to see how much you'd get riled up. Guess you raen't you typical AF guy. Plan failed.

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