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A Steaming Pile Of Sadr

George Bush is such a colossal fuck up it is astounding. Every choice the administration makes in Iraq turns out to be the wrong choice. Their latest blunder is backing the wrong Shiite in Iraq. Today, after a couple of days of violence in Iraq, a new strongman has risen and his name is Muqtada al-Sadr. Our guy is the other guy -- the weak one.

Al-Sadr played Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki like a couple of children. Seven months ago, al-Sadr agreed to a cease-fire in Iraq – which has led many right wing morons to believe the surge has been a success. They are, of course, fucking idiots desperate to prove that their imbecilic support of the invasion was the right call. Deaths have dropped in Iraq because al-Sadr has not been killing people and we have been paying Sunni insurgents not to kill people. Last week, the cease-fire with al-Sadr took a break – just long enough to show who is the big boy in Iraq. And his name ain’t Maliki.

We’re supposed to believe that Al-Sadr is the bad guy and Maliki is the good guy. The truth is they both are nasty motherfuckers. Both sides are guilty of sectarian cleansing. Both have strong connections to Iran. Maliki has been using the US military and the Iraqi Army to arrest and kill members of al-Sadr’s militia, The Mahdi Army. But this week, al-Sadr fought back, which is exactly what Maliki was hoping for. Maliki expected the US to fight this battle for him. His master plan was to get our guys to wipe out al-Sadr, leaving him as the last Shiite standing.

The fighting first started in Basra. Maliki claimed he was cracking down on “criminals,” but it was obviously a massive power grab. And a pretty pathetic one, at that. First rule of power grab: Make sure you aren’t a retard. Maliki clearly didn’t realize his pals the Iranians and his other pals, the Americans, don’t want a civil war between Iraqi Shiites. So, Maliki and the Islamic Supreme Council started the fighting in Basra and al-Sadr pushed back – and he pushed back hard.

The fighting moved to Baghdad, where US forces were also involved. There Maliki learned the second lesson of power grab: Make sure all the guys on your side are actually on your side. Many members of the Iraqi Army walked away from checkpoints, because they support al-Sadr. Members of the Army were actually walking into al-Sadr’s offices and giving up their weapons.


One apparent offering took place in al-Sadr City and was witnessed by several dozen people, including Iraqi journalists. A Times employee saw about 40 police officers walk through al-Sadr City's dusty streets and lay their automatic weapons at the feet of Salman Furaiji, director of the al-Sadr office there.


Meanwhile, Iran wanted the fighting to end because Iran supports both Maliki and al-Sadr and would rather they don’t kill each other. They want the Shiites to save it up to attack the Sunnis when the US pulls out. Bush certainly does not want Iraq to fall further into chaos at this point, because it would devastate McCain’s chances in November and screw up his plan to leave a land mine for the incoming Democratic president. At the same time, the Kurds refused to get involved in Maliki’s moronic fight.


The other major component of the Iraqi Army, recruits from the Kurdish militias in northern Iraq, "would not go down to the south to fight this kind of fight."


Hello, blunder, my name is Maliki. Meanwhile, the Prime Minister was demanding the Mahdi Army disarm. He actually set a three-day deadline for the al-Sadr kids to turn in their weapons. There was some chuckling, a few shrugs and then the three days passed with no one turning in their guns. Day four: Maliki actually extended the deadline – and offered cash for weapons. Third rule of power grab: Don’t look like a massive pussy.

The US provided air support for Maliki’s weak ass forces and al-Sadr held strong. Turns out it is very hard to dislodge highly motivated indigenous fighters who know every nook and cranny in the area. Who knew? I mean, besides everybody. Rule number four of power grab: Read at least one book on the history of urban warfare.

After a couple days and a few hundred dead guys, Iran said enough is enough. Officials in Maliki’s own government told him to stop his little war and went to Iran for help.


Iraqi lawmakers traveled to the Iranian holy city of Qom over the weekend to win the support of the commander of Iran's Qods brigades in persuading Shiite cleric Muqtada al al-Sadr to order his followers to stop military operations, members of the Iraqi parliament said.


Iran then brokered a peace deal. Maliki actually went to Iran to meet with al-Sadr – which brings up the fifth rule of power grab: Don’t beg your opponent to stop.

Bestest of allest, al-Sadr had a list of demands for Maliki before he would agree to an end to hostilities. The fucking rebel set the rule to end the conflict that the government started! Holy shit! Maliki is a plane crashing into a train wreck, falling on top of a car crash, hitting a boat. What an epic disaster. Rule number six of power grab: Don’t let your enemy kick your balls in.

Here is what Maliki agreed to:


    1. Ending armed manifestations in Basra governorate and all the other governates.
    2. Ending of attacks and illegal arbitrary detentions.
    3. Demand that the government apply the law on general amnesty, and release all prisoners who have not had charges confirmed against them, in particular prisoners belonging to the Al-Sadrist current.
    4. We announce that we will repudiate those who carry weapons and target the government and service agencies and institutions, or the offices of political parties.
    5. Cooperation with government agencies to bring about security and to charge criminals, according to due process of law.
    6. We reassert that the Al-Sadrist movement does not possess heavy weapons.
    7. Efforts [meaningful efforts are to be made] for the return to their residential areas of those who were forced out as a result of security incidents.
    8. We demand respect for human rights by the government in all of its security activities.
    9. Working [meaningful efforts are to be made] towards the realization of development and service projects in all governates.


Oh, and here’s a napkin to wipe yourself off the floor with. My favorite number in that list is 7. She’s a beaut. Maliki is demanding that Sunnis and Shiites be placed back in their homes, from which they were removed by sectarian cleansing. You now, the sectarian cleansing that the Mahdi army was responsible for – but so were the militias working under Maliki. Al-Sadr is trying to make the case that other Shiites were responsible for the cleansing, just as he has been trying to claim Maliki has been killing Sunnis and blaming the Mahdi army. Now he’s demanding those people be put back in their houses. It’s called politics and this was a master move. Rule number seven of power grab: Don’t take on a guy who is a million times smarter than you.


Many Iraqi politicians say that Mr. Maliki’s political capital has been severely depleted by the campaign and that he is now in the curious position of having to turn to Mr. al-Sadr, a longtime rival and now his opponent in battle, for a solution to the crisis.

“With this statement, Sayyed Moktada al-Sadr proved that he is a good politician, working for the sake of Iraq,” said Mahmoud al-Mashadani, the speaker of the Iraqi Parliament and a senior Sunni politician.


To top it all off, al-Sadr has now completely positioned himself as the only powerful man in Iraq who is against the US occupation. Maliki is Bush’s boy, and called in the US military to fight against his fellow Iraqis. The Sunnis have been collaborating with and accepting money from the US for over a year. The vast majority of Iraqis want the US to leave. Now they have a strong man who loudly opposes the occupation and has shown he will not back down. And guess what is coming later this year? An election.

The October provincial elections are one of the main reasons Maliki went after al-Sadr now. He’s been attempting to displace al-Sadr supporters, while inserting members of his own Dawa Party and the Islamic Supreme Council, in areas of Basra that al-Sadr controls. Maliki completely failed. He has all but assured a massive victory for al-Sadr this October.

The other big loser in the mess is the US. What a massive fuck up. We just injected ourselves into an inter-Shiite conflict and chose the wrong side. Going after assorted rogue groups in the Mahdi Army is one thing, but going after the entire al-Sadr organization on behalf of Maliki was moronic. Did I mention the vast majority of voting Iraqis want the US out of the country?

Any gains the US made with al-Sadr and his followers are gone.


The U.S. military now risks forfeiting gains with the al-Sadrists, arguably the most popular Shiite political movement across Iraq. Already, U.S. officers have reported a rise in attacks against them in Baghdad, where soldiers had benefited from the Mahdi Army's tacit cooperation.


The end result of this mess is that al-Sadr is far stronger and Maliki much weaker. The Iraqi Army appears considerably weaker, which isn’t a great sign for the future. Iran also is strengthened because they brokered the peace deal. The US is, once again, the clumsy fool.


Overnight al-Mahdi Army has melted back into the population in Baghdad and Basra after its leader, the anti-American cleric Moqtada al-al-Sadr, ordered it to stop fighting government forces.


The Mahdi Army went back into the shadows, waiting for the day when the US pulls out and they take over the country – if they are not just voted in this October.

 

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USMCSGT

USMCSGT

I'm lost
November 2006

APR 01, 2008 10:24 PM

FearTheReaper said:

Phantom_medic said:

second, the assertion that "most Iraqis" want us out is based on...what now? Where do you get that information? I have never seen that in any article I've read,nor from talking to Iraqis.



I guess you should read more instead of just talking to people.



So I guess all those reputable BIASED sources are fact now? Please help me understand how the media, a hugely habitual lying outlet, can be taken as fact when there are many instances of them caught in bold face lies. CBS stated in on of their polls that they used 800 responses to base the percentage of the WHOLE US population on a certain issue. Statistics be damned. That's not near enough information to accurately make a claim on. It was a joke. A random 1000 Iraqi poll in an isolated are of Iraq means nothing. Opinions can change from town to town. Stating they all want one thing is irresponsible.

And I guess you should actually go to Iraq and see it for yourself instead of taking the position you are the last word because you read it in a newspaper. It's quite rude to try and tell a guy, by actually talking to people in Iraq (the very people who this comment was about!), he doesn't know as much as a stupid newspaper company. Taking the high ground because you read a few articles is laughable. I would be inclined to think his experience is more reputable than the University of Marylands'. I hope you aren't that rude and disrespectful in real life.

And yes, I am an Iraq war vet, and no I don't want us to be there any more. I just laugh at people that armchair politic and act like they are superior to someone else because they watch the news and bitch on the internet in blog form.

gdarklighter

gdarklighter

San Diego, CA
August 2005

APR 01, 2008 10:32 PM

groganre said:
And I guess you should actually go to Iraq and see it for yourself instead of taking the position you are the last word because you read it in a newspaper.


Congratulations on missing the entire point of journalism. Your prize is a lifetime of unending mockery from your betters.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

APR 01, 2008 10:36 PM

groganre said:

FearTheReaper said:

Phantom_medic said:

second, the assertion that "most Iraqis" want us out is based on...what now? Where do you get that information? I have never seen that in any article I've read,nor from talking to Iraqis.



I guess you should read more instead of just talking to people.



So I guess all those reputable BIASED sources are fact now? Did the polling of the Iraqi people by PIPA happen firsthand? Did they walk the streets and ask door to door? Cause I've seen NOTHING detailing the methods they used to gather that information. Please help me understand how the media, a hugely habitual lying outlet, can be taken as fact without examples of their methods being published. CBS stated in on of their polls that they used 800 responses to base the percentage of the WHOLE US population on a certain issue. Statistics be damned. That's not near enough information to accurately make a claim on. It was a joke.

And I guess you should actually go to Iraq and see it for yourself instead of taking the position you are the last word because you read it in a newspaper.



There's a nice Amish community in PA if the world is really that big and confusing for you.

They have horses too.

USMCSGT

USMCSGT

I'm lost
November 2006

APR 01, 2008 10:39 PM

gdarklighter said:

groganre said:
And I guess you should actually go to Iraq and see it for yourself instead of taking the position you are the last word because you read it in a newspaper.


Congratulations on missing the entire point of journalism. Your prize is a lifetime of unending mockery from your betters.



My betters huh? Are you my betters? You think you are better than me because I question others 'authority'? What makes you better than me?

Journalism isn't my issue here. My issue is that it was a rude comment stating that they guy was somehow wrong because of a few newspaper articles. Telling someone they are wrong on something, without actually experiencing it for yourself, is irresponsible. Just like an overwhelming amount of journalists. They care about a story and a gold statue, not the truth. But not all of them are that way mind you, some are really great people.

USMCSGT

USMCSGT

I'm lost
November 2006

APR 01, 2008 10:41 PM

KUNGFOO said:

groganre said:

FearTheReaper said:

Phantom_medic said:

second, the assertion that "most Iraqis" want us out is based on...what now? Where do you get that information? I have never seen that in any article I've read,nor from talking to Iraqis.



I guess you should read more instead of just talking to people.



So I guess all those reputable BIASED sources are fact now? Did the polling of the Iraqi people by PIPA happen firsthand? Did they walk the streets and ask door to door? Cause I've seen NOTHING detailing the methods they used to gather that information. Please help me understand how the media, a hugely habitual lying outlet, can be taken as fact without examples of their methods being published. CBS stated in on of their polls that they used 800 responses to base the percentage of the WHOLE US population on a certain issue. Statistics be damned. That's not near enough information to accurately make a claim on. It was a joke.

And I guess you should actually go to Iraq and see it for yourself instead of taking the position you are the last word because you read it in a newspaper.



There's a nice Amish community in PA if the world is really that big and confusing for you.

They have horses too.



I've more than likely seen alot more of the world than you have. Please enlighten me as to what your comment means, I'm totally confused.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

APR 01, 2008 10:47 PM

groganre said:

KUNGFOO said:

groganre said:

FearTheReaper said:

Phantom_medic said:

second, the assertion that "most Iraqis" want us out is based on...what now? Where do you get that information? I have never seen that in any article I've read,nor from talking to Iraqis.



I guess you should read more instead of just talking to people.



So I guess all those reputable BIASED sources are fact now? Did the polling of the Iraqi people by PIPA happen firsthand? Did they walk the streets and ask door to door? Cause I've seen NOTHING detailing the methods they used to gather that information. Please help me understand how the media, a hugely habitual lying outlet, can be taken as fact without examples of their methods being published. CBS stated in on of their polls that they used 800 responses to base the percentage of the WHOLE US population on a certain issue. Statistics be damned. That's not near enough information to accurately make a claim on. It was a joke.

And I guess you should actually go to Iraq and see it for yourself instead of taking the position you are the last word because you read it in a newspaper.



There's a nice Amish community in PA if the world is really that big and confusing for you.

They have horses too.



I've more than likely seen alot more of the world than you have. Please enlighten me as to what your comment means, I'm totally confused.



I'm saying your post is reminiscent of a simpleton.

Also, congratulation on joining the military and going to Iraq/Afghanistan. That alone doesn't mean you've seen or even know more about the world than anybody else.

USMCSGT

USMCSGT

I'm lost
November 2006

APR 01, 2008 10:52 PM

KUNGFOO said:I'm saying your post is reminiscent of a simpleton.



I guess if not believing it's statistically possible to poll 1000 people to represent a whole nation makes me a simpleton, then I guess I am. That's makes absolutely no sense to me. That's not near enough information to make an accurate claim.

I've also noticed alot of animosity and insults towards others on this site. Why?

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

APR 01, 2008 10:57 PM

groganre said:

KUNGFOO said:I'm saying your post is reminiscent of a simpleton.



I guess if not believing it's statistically possible to poll 1000 people to represent a whole nation makes me a simpleton, then I guess I am. That's makes absolutely no sense to me. That's not near enough information to make an accurate claim.



...annnd I'll let your words speak themselves.

I've also noticed alot of animosity and insults towards others on this site. Why?



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USMCSGT

USMCSGT

I'm lost
November 2006

APR 01, 2008 11:05 PM

KUNGFOO said:

groganre said:

KUNGFOO said:I'm saying your post is reminiscent of a simpleton.



I guess if not believing it's statistically possible to poll 1000 people to represent a whole nation makes me a simpleton, then I guess I am. That's makes absolutely no sense to me. That's not near enough information to make an accurate claim.



...annnd I'll let your words speak themselves.

I've also noticed alot of animosity and insults towards others on this site. Why?



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And apparently you can't understand a question. You call me a simpleton, why don't you think before you read instead of being rude. I know what it says about being insulted but why can't everyone be more civilized around here? You obviously lack respect and tact in your personality. Quite obvious actually.

Annnd you don't have to be so childish and assume things about other people. How much of the world have you seen outside of Omaha? I doubt as much as I have my friend. So please don't be childish and think I'm a simpleton because I don't quite understand how people come to conclusions on certain things.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

APR 01, 2008 11:18 PM

groganre said:
And apparently you can't understand a question. You call me a simpleton, why don't you think before you read instead of being rude. I know what it says about being insulted but why can't everyone be more civilized around here? You obviously lack respect and tact in your personality. Quite obvious actually.

Annnd you don't have to be so childish and assume things about other people. How much of the world have you seen outside of Omaha? I doubt as much as I have my friend. So please don't be childish and think I'm a simpleton because I don't quite understand how people come to conclusions on certain things.



Plenty of places (I'm also in the military). But that's not that point -- You completely dismissed the idea of scientific polls and journalistic ethics based upon your glaring ignorance; the New York Times and the Washington Post are biased? You outed your own ignorance and bias with that statement.

Regardless, I'm sorry somebody on the Internet hurt your feelings. I'm quite sure those Amish are quite friendly to everybody.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

APR 01, 2008 11:30 PM

In an interview with CNN earlier today, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) claimed that he has long understood the influence of Iraqi Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr:

"I said he was still major player and his influence is going to have to be reduced and gradually eliminated."

But in a report on The Situation Room today, the network noted that just two weeks ago McCain -- trying to paint a rosy picture of Iraq -- described Sadr very differently while speaking to CNN's John King in Baghdad:

"His [Sadr's] influence has been on the wane for a long time."



Link and Video

He's making even more flagrant slip-ups than Bush Co.

JekyllAndHyde

JekyllAndHyde

Baltimore, MD
April 2005

APR 01, 2008 11:41 PM

groganre said:

KUNGFOO said:I'm saying your post is reminiscent of a simpleton.



I guess if not believing it's statistically possible to poll 1000 people to represent a whole nation makes me a simpleton, then I guess I am. That's makes absolutely no sense to me. That's not near enough information to make an accurate claim.

I've also noticed alot of animosity and insults towards others on this site. Why?



Havew you talked to more than 1000 Iraqis? If not, how do you know any better? And I'm sorry, no offense, but claiming that every media outlet is biased and full of shit is like an elementary school kid complaining that all the teachers who caught him breaking the rules is biased against him.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

APR 01, 2008 11:42 PM

groganre said:

FearTheReaper said:

Phantom_medic said:

second, the assertion that "most Iraqis" want us out is based on...what now? Where do you get that information? I have never seen that in any article I've read,nor from talking to Iraqis.



I guess you should read more instead of just talking to people.



So I guess all those reputable BIASED sources are fact now? Please help me understand how the media, a hugely habitual lying outlet, can be taken as fact when there are many instances of them caught in bold face lies. CBS stated in on of their polls that they used 800 responses to base the percentage of the WHOLE US population on a certain issue. Statistics be damned. That's not near enough information to accurately make a claim on. It was a joke. A random 1000 Iraqi poll in an isolated are of Iraq means nothing. Opinions can change from town to town. Stating they all want one thing is irresponsible.

And I guess you should actually go to Iraq and see it for yourself instead of taking the position you are the last word because you read it in a newspaper. It's quite rude to try and tell a guy, by actually talking to people in Iraq (the very people who this comment was about!), he doesn't know as much as a stupid newspaper company. Taking the high ground because you read a few articles is laughable. I would be inclined to think his experience is more reputable than the University of Marylands'. I hope you aren't that rude and disrespectful in real life.

And yes, I am an Iraq war vet, and no I don't want us to be there any more. I just laugh at people that armchair politic and act like they are superior to someone else because they watch the news and bitch on the internet in blog form.



Weird, i laugh at people whose experience created a myopic view of the situation.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

APR 01, 2008 11:44 PM

groganre said:

gdarklighter said:

groganre said:
And I guess you should actually go to Iraq and see it for yourself instead of taking the position you are the last word because you read it in a newspaper.


Congratulations on missing the entire point of journalism. Your prize is a lifetime of unending mockery from your betters.



My betters huh? Are you my betters? You think you are better than me because I question others 'authority'? What makes you better than me?

Journalism isn't my issue here. My issue is that it was a rude comment stating that they guy was somehow wrong because of a few newspaper articles. Telling someone they are wrong on something, without actually experiencing it for yourself, is irresponsible. Just like an overwhelming amount of journalists. They care about a story and a gold statue, not the truth. But not all of them are that way mind you, some are really great people.



Maybe if the journalists could travel in Iraq without being killed, several times by US forces, they'd have a better view of things.

USMCSGT

USMCSGT

I'm lost
November 2006

APR 01, 2008 11:44 PM

KUNGFOO said:

groganre said:
And apparently you can't understand a question. You call me a simpleton, why don't you think before you read instead of being rude. I know what it says about being insulted but why can't everyone be more civilized around here? You obviously lack respect and tact in your personality. Quite obvious actually.

Annnd you don't have to be so childish and assume things about other people. How much of the world have you seen outside of Omaha? I doubt as much as I have my friend. So please don't be childish and think I'm a simpleton because I don't quite understand how people come to conclusions on certain things.



Plenty of places (I'm also in the military). But that's not that point -- You completely dismissed the idea of scientific polls and journalistic ethics based upon your glaring ignorance; the New York Times and the Washington Post are biased? You outed your own ignorance and bias with that statement.

Regardless, I'm sorry somebody on the Internet hurt your feelings. I'm quite sure those Amish are quite friendly to everybody.



http://patterico.com/2006/11/02/new-york-times-lies-to-its-readers-about-the-content-of-kerrys-remarks/
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2006/11/kate_and_kerry_.html
Yeah I do think they are biased. They lied about what he said to cover it up, or lessen the comment. It was horrible what he said, yet they have on two occasions made the comments fit their version of what happened. And as you pointed out, it's unethical to lie. Which goes back to my point of them being untrustworthy. Just an example about the NYTimes, not a political stab at anyone in particular.

Yes I dismiss ideas that a lowly poll of 1000 people can somehow statistically represent 23,000 times that many and be accurate. I don't believe it can be, if you want to then go ahead, enjoy being lied to.

I could give two shits what you say to be maliciously. You didn't hurt my feelings at all, I was just trying to encourage civility here. It says alot about the attitude and community around here with everyone being so damn rude to each other.

If you don't mind, what do you do in the Air Force? Cause I haven't seen many useful Airmen anywhere in my travels. Your compatriots have it way too easy. Hell, I never saw one in Iraq, and they were getting the same pay I was in Qatar eating ice cream and swimming in a pool. Respect is not high on my list for Airmen. Yeah, that was hypocritical before your vastly superior intelligence trys to point that out.

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