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More Dumberer Than Potheads

TUESDAY MARCH 25 2008 6:00 AM

Submitted by FearTheReaper. Edited By FearTheReaper.

TAGS: Medical marijuana, Barney Frank

Our pot laws in the US are so backwards and idiotic, it is astounding. It is unbelievable that arrests for marijuana violations are actually going up. But it seems everywhere you look, the US has its priorities completely backwards. We are some seriously stupid motherfuckers. But that all may change because of a fat, gay guy from Massachusetts named Barney Frank.

I’m for the legalization of all drugs. People are going to get them anyway, so there is no point in keeping them illegal. When I was growing up, I had no problem getting my hands on pot, magic mushrooms, LSD, cocaine, speed, or anything else I wanted. It is my understanding that heroin and meth have now been added to the list of easy access drugs. For me they were all one phone call away, or they would come to me at a party, or football game – hell, one time I got my drugs in a high school Spanish class. Muy bueno! The point is, if you want drugs, you can get drugs - especially pot.

Pot is the least dangerous drug out there, but the government keeps cracking down.


Police arrested a record 829,625 persons for marijuana violations in 2006, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's annual Uniform Crime Report, released today. This is the largest total number of annual arrests for pot ever recorded by the FBI. Marijuana arrests now comprise nearly 44 percent of all drug arrests in the United States.


The government is seriously stupider than stoners. In the past 15 years, pot arrests have gone up 188%. You’d think the government would have something better to do, like sit around and diddle their balls. Or maybe they could punch themselves in the face. I would rather my tax dollars pay for that. The last thing I want happening is people, like Mary Ann from “Gilligan’s Island,” getting arrested.


Dawn Wells, who played Mary Ann on "Gilligan's Island," is serving six months' unsupervised probation after allegedly being caught with marijuana in her car.


WTF? That poor woman was stuck on an island with a bunch of retards for years. Dawn should always be high. She should wear a glass helmet with a tube attached that constantly feeds pot into her poor brain. By the way, awesome mug shot, burnout.

Six months probation doesn’t sound bad, but for many people it’s not just about the sentence. Their lives can be turned upside down.


Sanctions triggered by a marijuana conviction can include loss of access to food stamps, public housing, and student financial aid, as well as driver's license suspensions, loss of or ineligibility for professional licenses, other barriers to employment or promotion, and bars to adoption, voting, and jury service.


My wife is a therapist. If she smoked pot and was caught, she would lose her license to practice. The punishment for smoking a natural plant does not fit the crime – it more fits the crime of murder. If I were a student who lost his financial aide and was looking at a life working at Home Depot, I would go on a shooting spree. The California Supreme Court recently ruled that employees could be fired for smoking pot, even if it has nothing to do with the job.


The California Supreme Court weakened the effect of the state's beleaguered medical marijuana law, ruling Thursday that employers may fire workers for using physician-recommended marijuana while off duty, even if it did not hurt their job performance.


The pot laws vary from state to state. 12 states have passed medical marijuana laws. California passed a medical marijuana law in 1996. Now we have pot stores and even pot vending machines. But that does not stop the Federal Government from raiding our pot stores, because George Bush has a serious hard on for pot.


The gap between state and federal drug laws became apparent again Wednesday when federal agents raided 10 local medical marijuana facilities only minutes after the Los Angeles City Council placed a moratorium on new facilities so rules could be drafted to better regulate them.


And it doesn’t help that in 2005 the douchebags on the Supreme Court ruled that the Feds could overrule state pot laws.


The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday ruled doctors can be blocked from prescribing marijuana for patients suffering from pain caused by cancer or other serious illnesses.

In a 6-3 vote, the justices ruled the Bush administration can block the backyard cultivation of pot for personal use, because such use has broader social and financial implications.


Sweet. I know one of the “broader implications” is that people will be more relaxed. And more video games will be played. And quite a few more lemons may be stared at for over 10 minutes. Oh, and shows like Two and A Half Men may actually be somewhat tolerable. Actually, strike that. The creators of Two and A Half Men should be murdered.

As far as the “financial implications,” as a country we spend $7.5 billion annually enforcing pot laws. And that doesn’t include taking care of the poor fuckers who are in jail. Maybe we should act like adults, legalize pot and rake in the taxes from all the herb that would be legally sold. Hell, we could probably fund universal health care with the tax profits.

Thankfully, Barney Frank is on the case.


Rep. Barney Frank said he plans to file a bill to legalize "small amounts" of marijuana.

Frank announced his plans late Friday on the HBO show "Real Time," hosted by Bill Maher.

"I'm going to file a bill as soon as we go back to remove all federal penalties for the possession or use of small amounts of marijuana," Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat, told Maher.





That would be awesome. It will never happen, but it sounds awesome. For whatever reason, America likes to cater to the most retarded amongst us – which turns out to be most of us. Although, we have been moving slowly towards legalization over the years.

Of course, the vast majority of people arrested for smoking pot are minorities – even though the rates of marijuana use are the same for whites and people who are not whites. Plus, we do like to keep our black people in jail and pot makes that easy.


Since it started in 1970, American law enforcement has arrested 38 million people for nonviolent drug offenses, nearly 2 million last year alone. The number of people jailed for violent crimes has risen 300 percent, but the prison population of nonviolent drug offenders has soared 2,558 percent.


Thank God. All those people were getting high and not doing anything wrong. Motherfuckers. Nothing is more infuriating than a guy going to a park and getting high. You may as well shit on the baby Jesus. An influential physician group recently called for pot to be declassified as a “Schedule I” drug.


The American College of Physicians, the nation's largest organization of doctors of internal medicine, with 124,000 members, contends that the long and rancorous debate over marijuana legalization has obscured good science that has demonstrated the benefits and medicinal promise of cannabis.

The group calls on the government to drop marijuana from Schedule I, a classification it shares with illegal drugs such as heroin and LSD that are considered to have no medicinal value and a high likelihood of abuse.


Holy shit. Pot is classified the same as heroin? Why not classify murder the same as trespassing? How about classifying rape the same as jaywalking? The people who first made pot illegal should be beaten about the head with a large wooden object. If they are dead, they should be dug up and set on fire. But they won’t be, because they have made billions of dollars keeping pot illegal. Plus, it would be weird to dig up a body and set it on fire. And I doubt anyone would understand the political statement. By the way, “They” are people like Du Pont and Hearst.

Corporations like Du Pont and industrialists like William Randolph Hearst were concerned that hemp would cut into their pulpwood paper and synthetic products profits. So, they launched a campaign.

In the '30s, Du Pont had just patented a new process for making pulpwood paper and was working on something called “nylon.” Du Pont financial backer and US Secretary of Treasury Andrew Mellon made sure his nephew was in charge of the new Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs. They combined with the Hearst newspaper business to create the new monster: Pot. Then came the "Marihuana Tax Act of 1937,” which was the end. Yay big business.

It’s amazing Barney Frank is actually going to introduce legislation to legalize small amounts of pot. It has no chance, especially in an election year, because the majority our politicians are spineless creatures, with no ability to take a strong stand. We are basically represented by sea cucumbers.

Even everyone’s great hope, Barack Obama, won’t come out for medical marijuana. He did a few months ago, but then recently backed off.


When a voter asked Obama if he was for the legalization of medical marijuana, Obama said that he wasn't in favor of legalization without scientific evidence and tight controls. Citing his mother who died from cancer young, Obama compared marijuana to morphine saying there was little difference between the two.


Really? Because I’ve experienced both and I’m going to go ahead and say there’s a huge fucking difference. Morphine is the great “pain go bye-bye.” Pot is, “hey, shit is weird.” And Obama’s statement that he can’t favor “legalization without scientific evidence” is pure bullshit. There is loads of scientific evidence that pot aids in the treatment of health ailments. And even if there wasn't, who gives a shit? Hemp and pot were a big part of the early days of America.

Both George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew marijuana, and smoked it. Today, they’d be locked up in jail.


"If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson


Whatever, hippy.

Let’s hope Barney Frank gets somewhere with his legislation. But I seriously doubt anything is going to happen. Because we are morons.

 

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BellyJack

BellyJack

I'm lost
May 2005

MAR 25, 2008 10:05 PM

Ruling marijuana a schedule I drug in 1970 didn't make a lot of sense then, and it still doesn't now.

In 2007 a study was done in The Lancet (the chart shown below came from a Wikipedia entry on marijuana citing the research) comparing twenty drugs in terms of their addiction potential, and bodily harm they can create.

If this research is valid then it is hard to make a case for legal tobacco and alcohol while throwing people in jail, and otherwise disrupting their lives if they choose to use substances "down, and to the left" from them.

Why would a society warehouse a sizable percentage of it's population when research indicates the reasoning for it on shaky ground? I couldn't shrink the chart enough to fit and still have it legible - you know what to do ... right-click|View Image (in Firefox, at least) for the complete view.

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The DEA was created in 1973.




You tell me.

On a lighter note

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I suspect Barney Frank has more and better quality thoughts on his drive home than the current administration has had over the past seven years, and legalizing marijuana is one of them.

Give Dawn Wells a break over her mug shot. Cripes, she was in the Miss America pageant the year I was born, and, for being sixty-nine, doesn't look bad at all.

On behalf of Sponge Bob Square Pants and sea cucumbers the world over I'm taking exception to your characterization of those cute cukes as related in any way to politicians. You are probably thinking of "dog vomit" slime mold.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAR 25, 2008 10:05 PM

IrFu said:

FearTheReaper said:
I'm going to assume you don't drink alcohol, or smoke cigarettes, or eat french fries, or ice cream or really anything else that is bad for you.



You got me, I got drunk off french fries, got in my car, and ended up killing a family of four. And you know those ice cream companies, living large off the deaths related to their product. Great comparison.



Thanks, ALCOHOL was a great comparison. I can only assume you believe alcohol should be illegal, due to the above retarded comment.

IrFu said:

FearTheReaper
LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT, right bro? The final refuge of the village idiot who is unable to sustain a logical argument.



When it comes to drugs, I see no point in bitching about legalization, so yea, either get over it, or move on. Oh, ouch, you called me a village idiot...how old are you, again? Is that how intelligent people sustain a logical argument?



I have no interest in sustaining a "logical argument" with a someone who actually is pathetic enough to use the "love it or leave it" cliche. You < Me.

IrFu said:

FearTheReaper
As I recall, you kids in Alabama did try to leave once, back when the rest of us wanted to free black people. Maybe your relatives should have taken your own advice and moved to a country where they could own other humans.



WTF? I wasn't born in Alabama, and my parent's aren't even from this country. Please, come join me in my "world of wrong", you'll fit right in.



Sorry, I made an assumption based on your stupid arguments.

TheRedBaron

TheRedBaron

Cambridge, MA
November 2003

MAR 25, 2008 10:46 PM

PointBlank said:
Fair enough. I just think we're not going to agree, since I'm unwilling to operate from the premise that controlled legalization would bring "millions into the fold of addiction." That, BTW, is a much better argument, but one that is way off of your original point that corporations would be marketing heroin if it were legal.



The points are essentially the same fear based on two different, unrelated scenarios I was responding to. The concern is that more people will lose their lives to addiction. In the first scenario, I was talking about a world where drug use was legalized for recreation; in which case the marketing of addiction is a pertinent issue. In the second, I think that the availability of drugs and the very act of decriminalizing use would, again, cause many to lose their lives to addiction; specifically, more people would become addicts than the hypothetical clinical programs would cure.

TheRedBaron

TheRedBaron

Cambridge, MA
November 2003

MAR 25, 2008 10:49 PM

bald_eagle said:
BellyJack said:




Nice use of graph work. I'd like to look up the study it's based on. In the past, comparisons of dependence between drugs seem to bias rating nicotine and alcohol as being more addictive. I'd love to know what measure they used, as their ratings seem a bit more in line with intuition.

SergeantPsycho

SergeantPsycho

Hampton, VA
January 2007

MAR 26, 2008 03:44 AM

SmellsLikeSciFi said:

SergeantPsycho said:
Also, as far as I know marijuana also has the following side effects:
- makes you forget to clean your room
- makes you skip class
- makes you not show up for court
- makes you run from the cops
- makes you NOT make love to a woman
- can mess up your life

Crap, I'm so not taking this thread with the serious it was intended.



You sincerely saved me about 5 minutes of typing with that last sentence, sir.

biggrin



Yeah, everything but the last sentence is an obscure reference.

Cash

Cash

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

MAR 26, 2008 05:08 AM

BGage said:
If it were legal, there wouldn't be jacked-up tweakers blowing shit up. When's the last time you heard about an explosion at a moonshine distillery? 1932?



There is a huge difference between cooking meth and distilling corn whiskey.

Mythos_

Mythos_

Germany
March 2008

MAR 26, 2008 05:36 AM

The only reason marijuana and alcohol are not on the same level (law-wise) is the lobbyism. "Concerned Parents" don't like Pot and Alcohol selling companies like to keep on selling their stuff.

Beside this, the idea to legalise every single drug is not so drastic as it seams first. It can be quite reasonable in fact. You just have to differenciate lots of levels of legalisation (some were allready mentioned, I think)

-posession and use
-production for own use
-passing on
-selling
-buying
-production/import for passing on or selling

And even if both, the production and the buying of a certain substance is illegal, posession can still be allowed. This philosophy could be based on:
-We don't want anyone to sell it, if you buy it you support the seller
-We don't want you to produce it, it's a dangerous substance and even if you plan to use it for yourself only, you don't know for sure, where it ends
-We still don't want to ruin your life more then it allready is, when you are taking it. It's your life and anyway punishment solves nothing here, you need help.

Passing on is a lesser form of selling, the two should be differenciated by: Do you make profit from the addiction of someone else? In both cases this should be monitored more carefully then possesion because you can take the responsibility for may endanger youself but not someone else.

I'm not sure about the laws on "production for own use" on alcohol, but for the other points, I think the alcohol model could basicly work on most drugs: "Controlled and restricted", where restrictions on the heavy stuff is "on prescription only" and the restriction: "Not for minors" should be obvious. The control would be "the more dangerous the stricter".
Btw, I'n not totally opposed to increasing the control and restrictions on alcohol, even through I'm for the legalisation of marijuana.

AmbientLight

AmbientLight

Huntington Beach, CA
March 2005

MAR 26, 2008 07:30 AM

m_n_m said:
im gonna go smoke a bowl right now...in defiance of these moronic laws...anyone else? biggrin



Sparking one as we speak...

Gringo

Gringo

USA
May 2006

MAR 26, 2008 08:28 AM

AmbientLight said:

m_n_m said:
im gonna go smoke a bowl right now...in defiance of these moronic laws...anyone else? biggrin


Sparking one as we speak...


Pfft. SINNER!!!!

I saw your location and instantly thought, "eff yew!" I miss it there. One of my best friends lives in Newport Beach and was just bragging about this crystalized indica he's been getting.

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I HOPE YOU GUYS FALL OFF INTO THE OCEAN!!!! YEAH, WAIT UNTIL THERE'S A HUGE EARTHQUAKE!!!!!

I miss hearing that. It always cracked me up.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

MAR 26, 2008 08:28 AM

AmbientLight said:

m_n_m said:
im gonna go smoke a bowl right now...in defiance of these moronic laws...anyone else? biggrin



Sparking one as we speak...



FACT: Everytime there's a serious discussion about legalizing marijuana it gets ruined by some naked dude on a rock bragging about smoking a bowl at 730 AM.

OneWithAll

OneWithAll

Charlton City, MA
October 2005

MAR 26, 2008 09:51 AM

o you didn't do anything illegal, we just figured you did on account of how you smell

deal with it


Man Nabbed for Pot-Smelling Cash Deposit

STURGEON BAY, Wis. (AP) -- The musty smell of a man's money led to his arrest on possible drug charges. The 21-year-old Sturgeon Bay man tried to deposit money smelling of marijuana at a bank here last week, according to a Sturgeon Bay police report obtained by the Door County Advocate.

The $4,000 in bundled bills did not smell like burned marijuana but had a musty odor of ground sweet leaves, the report said.

The smell was so strong and distinct that a teller put the cash in a plastic bag. Sturgeon Bay police tested it for marijuana, and it came back positive, the report said.

The man was arrested when he returned to the bank to make a withdrawal. Police later found bagged marijuana at the man's home.

"All the pieces just came together," Police Chief Dan Trelka said.

The man is being held in the county jail on a probation violation, while the Door County district attorney's office reviews his case. It will be up to the district attorney to file formal charges

OptimusRhyme

OptimusRhyme

Gloucester, MA
March 2008

MAR 26, 2008 10:51 AM

I don't know how I feel about legalizing pot.

Don't get me wrong, I love to toke and do it often.

The only problem I see with letting the Big Pharmacy Corporations get a hold of the rights to sell medical marijuana is that they will single handedly ruin what makes pot so good in the first place.

Think about what big corps have done to our vegetables, our cows, our water, and the rest of the environment. If pharm companies start growing pot to sell to people, I can't imagine the amount of chemicals that would be used to speed up their growing process.

This basically goes against everything that smokers are against.

I would rather there be a law that if you are caught with weed, that instead of being tried and prosecuted for drug laws, that you instead receive a fine much like a parking ticket.

This way, money is spent on the town, state, and federal level, the common pot smoker does have to fear being arrested for carrying around an eighth or whatever limit will become acceptable.

I'm not a law maker, so I don't know what to do with sellers and growers, but reduce their crime and things will be better I'm sure of it.

So to wrap this up:
-Big Corporations controlling Weed = Bad
-Fines instead of Jail Time for being caught with Weed = Good

livertarian

livertarian

Fairfax, VA
February 2008

MAR 26, 2008 12:00 PM

OptimusRhyme said:
I don't know how I feel about legalizing pot.

Don't get me wrong, I love to toke and do it often.

The only problem I see with letting the Big Pharmacy Corporations get a hold of the rights to sell medical marijuana is that they will single handedly ruin what makes pot so good in the first place.

Think about what big corps have done to our vegetables, our cows, our water, and the rest of the environment. If pharm companies start growing pot to sell to people, I can't imagine the amount of chemicals that would be used to speed up their growing process.

This basically goes against everything that smokers are against.

I would rather there be a law that if you are caught with weed, that instead of being tried and prosecuted for drug laws, that you instead receive a fine much like a parking ticket.

This way, money is spent on the town, state, and federal level, the common pot smoker does have to fear being arrested for carrying around an eighth or whatever limit will become acceptable.

I'm not a law maker, so I don't know what to do with sellers and growers, but reduce their crime and things will be better I'm sure of it.

So to wrap this up:
-Big Corporations controlling Weed = Bad
-Fines instead of Jail Time for being caught with Weed = Good



It should be legal to grow, legal to trade (like bringing your homegrown veggies to a farmer's market, for example,) and legal to smoke goddammit. It should be untaxed, except for commercial products made from hemp, which could gather sales tax by states like everything else.
I would oppose regulation of any kind. Like ATF. WTF?
What reason is there is regulate the sale and distribution of alcohol? Because we do such a good job keeping it out of the hands of minors? Fuck all these regulations. They don't change people's minds. As FTR has pointed out, our sin laws fail as a deterrent.

LostLucy

LostLucy

USA
December 2006

MAR 26, 2008 01:25 PM

PointBlank said:

AmbientLight said:

m_n_m said:
im gonna go smoke a bowl right now...in defiance of these moronic laws...anyone else? biggrin



Sparking one as we speak...



FACT: Everytime there's a serious discussion about legalizing marijuana it gets ruined by some naked dude on a rock bragging about smoking a bowl at 730 AM.



tongue Can't take us Anywhere!!

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

MAR 26, 2008 05:31 PM

TheRedBaron said:

SockPuppet said:
Also, which new fast-acting painkillers are you thinking of?



Can't actually remember the name. They hit me with it when I got shot a while back. I told them there was opiate dependence in my family and that I'd rather not take any risks; they told me what they were giving me was mild but fast-acting and never caused dependence. It worked pretty well.



Ah. I'm not surprised you can't remember what it was... that's pretty drastic.

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