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More Dumberer Than Potheads

TUESDAY MARCH 25 2008 6:00 AM

Submitted by FearTheReaper. Edited By FearTheReaper.

TAGS: Medical marijuana, Barney Frank

Our pot laws in the US are so backwards and idiotic, it is astounding. It is unbelievable that arrests for marijuana violations are actually going up. But it seems everywhere you look, the US has its priorities completely backwards. We are some seriously stupid motherfuckers. But that all may change because of a fat, gay guy from Massachusetts named Barney Frank.

I’m for the legalization of all drugs. People are going to get them anyway, so there is no point in keeping them illegal. When I was growing up, I had no problem getting my hands on pot, magic mushrooms, LSD, cocaine, speed, or anything else I wanted. It is my understanding that heroin and meth have now been added to the list of easy access drugs. For me they were all one phone call away, or they would come to me at a party, or football game – hell, one time I got my drugs in a high school Spanish class. Muy bueno! The point is, if you want drugs, you can get drugs - especially pot.

Pot is the least dangerous drug out there, but the government keeps cracking down.


Police arrested a record 829,625 persons for marijuana violations in 2006, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's annual Uniform Crime Report, released today. This is the largest total number of annual arrests for pot ever recorded by the FBI. Marijuana arrests now comprise nearly 44 percent of all drug arrests in the United States.


The government is seriously stupider than stoners. In the past 15 years, pot arrests have gone up 188%. You’d think the government would have something better to do, like sit around and diddle their balls. Or maybe they could punch themselves in the face. I would rather my tax dollars pay for that. The last thing I want happening is people, like Mary Ann from “Gilligan’s Island,” getting arrested.


Dawn Wells, who played Mary Ann on "Gilligan's Island," is serving six months' unsupervised probation after allegedly being caught with marijuana in her car.


WTF? That poor woman was stuck on an island with a bunch of retards for years. Dawn should always be high. She should wear a glass helmet with a tube attached that constantly feeds pot into her poor brain. By the way, awesome mug shot, burnout.

Six months probation doesn’t sound bad, but for many people it’s not just about the sentence. Their lives can be turned upside down.


Sanctions triggered by a marijuana conviction can include loss of access to food stamps, public housing, and student financial aid, as well as driver's license suspensions, loss of or ineligibility for professional licenses, other barriers to employment or promotion, and bars to adoption, voting, and jury service.


My wife is a therapist. If she smoked pot and was caught, she would lose her license to practice. The punishment for smoking a natural plant does not fit the crime – it more fits the crime of murder. If I were a student who lost his financial aide and was looking at a life working at Home Depot, I would go on a shooting spree. The California Supreme Court recently ruled that employees could be fired for smoking pot, even if it has nothing to do with the job.


The California Supreme Court weakened the effect of the state's beleaguered medical marijuana law, ruling Thursday that employers may fire workers for using physician-recommended marijuana while off duty, even if it did not hurt their job performance.


The pot laws vary from state to state. 12 states have passed medical marijuana laws. California passed a medical marijuana law in 1996. Now we have pot stores and even pot vending machines. But that does not stop the Federal Government from raiding our pot stores, because George Bush has a serious hard on for pot.


The gap between state and federal drug laws became apparent again Wednesday when federal agents raided 10 local medical marijuana facilities only minutes after the Los Angeles City Council placed a moratorium on new facilities so rules could be drafted to better regulate them.


And it doesn’t help that in 2005 the douchebags on the Supreme Court ruled that the Feds could overrule state pot laws.


The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday ruled doctors can be blocked from prescribing marijuana for patients suffering from pain caused by cancer or other serious illnesses.

In a 6-3 vote, the justices ruled the Bush administration can block the backyard cultivation of pot for personal use, because such use has broader social and financial implications.


Sweet. I know one of the “broader implications” is that people will be more relaxed. And more video games will be played. And quite a few more lemons may be stared at for over 10 minutes. Oh, and shows like Two and A Half Men may actually be somewhat tolerable. Actually, strike that. The creators of Two and A Half Men should be murdered.

As far as the “financial implications,” as a country we spend $7.5 billion annually enforcing pot laws. And that doesn’t include taking care of the poor fuckers who are in jail. Maybe we should act like adults, legalize pot and rake in the taxes from all the herb that would be legally sold. Hell, we could probably fund universal health care with the tax profits.

Thankfully, Barney Frank is on the case.


Rep. Barney Frank said he plans to file a bill to legalize "small amounts" of marijuana.

Frank announced his plans late Friday on the HBO show "Real Time," hosted by Bill Maher.

"I'm going to file a bill as soon as we go back to remove all federal penalties for the possession or use of small amounts of marijuana," Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat, told Maher.





That would be awesome. It will never happen, but it sounds awesome. For whatever reason, America likes to cater to the most retarded amongst us – which turns out to be most of us. Although, we have been moving slowly towards legalization over the years.

Of course, the vast majority of people arrested for smoking pot are minorities – even though the rates of marijuana use are the same for whites and people who are not whites. Plus, we do like to keep our black people in jail and pot makes that easy.


Since it started in 1970, American law enforcement has arrested 38 million people for nonviolent drug offenses, nearly 2 million last year alone. The number of people jailed for violent crimes has risen 300 percent, but the prison population of nonviolent drug offenders has soared 2,558 percent.


Thank God. All those people were getting high and not doing anything wrong. Motherfuckers. Nothing is more infuriating than a guy going to a park and getting high. You may as well shit on the baby Jesus. An influential physician group recently called for pot to be declassified as a “Schedule I” drug.


The American College of Physicians, the nation's largest organization of doctors of internal medicine, with 124,000 members, contends that the long and rancorous debate over marijuana legalization has obscured good science that has demonstrated the benefits and medicinal promise of cannabis.

The group calls on the government to drop marijuana from Schedule I, a classification it shares with illegal drugs such as heroin and LSD that are considered to have no medicinal value and a high likelihood of abuse.


Holy shit. Pot is classified the same as heroin? Why not classify murder the same as trespassing? How about classifying rape the same as jaywalking? The people who first made pot illegal should be beaten about the head with a large wooden object. If they are dead, they should be dug up and set on fire. But they won’t be, because they have made billions of dollars keeping pot illegal. Plus, it would be weird to dig up a body and set it on fire. And I doubt anyone would understand the political statement. By the way, “They” are people like Du Pont and Hearst.

Corporations like Du Pont and industrialists like William Randolph Hearst were concerned that hemp would cut into their pulpwood paper and synthetic products profits. So, they launched a campaign.

In the '30s, Du Pont had just patented a new process for making pulpwood paper and was working on something called “nylon.” Du Pont financial backer and US Secretary of Treasury Andrew Mellon made sure his nephew was in charge of the new Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs. They combined with the Hearst newspaper business to create the new monster: Pot. Then came the "Marihuana Tax Act of 1937,” which was the end. Yay big business.

It’s amazing Barney Frank is actually going to introduce legislation to legalize small amounts of pot. It has no chance, especially in an election year, because the majority our politicians are spineless creatures, with no ability to take a strong stand. We are basically represented by sea cucumbers.

Even everyone’s great hope, Barack Obama, won’t come out for medical marijuana. He did a few months ago, but then recently backed off.


When a voter asked Obama if he was for the legalization of medical marijuana, Obama said that he wasn't in favor of legalization without scientific evidence and tight controls. Citing his mother who died from cancer young, Obama compared marijuana to morphine saying there was little difference between the two.


Really? Because I’ve experienced both and I’m going to go ahead and say there’s a huge fucking difference. Morphine is the great “pain go bye-bye.” Pot is, “hey, shit is weird.” And Obama’s statement that he can’t favor “legalization without scientific evidence” is pure bullshit. There is loads of scientific evidence that pot aids in the treatment of health ailments. And even if there wasn't, who gives a shit? Hemp and pot were a big part of the early days of America.

Both George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew marijuana, and smoked it. Today, they’d be locked up in jail.


"If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson


Whatever, hippy.

Let’s hope Barney Frank gets somewhere with his legislation. But I seriously doubt anything is going to happen. Because we are morons.

 

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Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

MAR 25, 2008 11:52 AM

RandomNerd said:

Colinism said:

livertarian said:
How controversial are laws prohibiting murder or other forms of violence by comparison?



Very, who are you to tell me who I can and can't kill. Just because I am not god, does not mean that I can't play god....... wink



Does Atlanta have community theaters? You could always join one and put on "Jesus Christ Superstar" biggrin



I am far too shy to get in front of people like that, but yes yes we do indeed have culture down here.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

MAR 25, 2008 11:52 AM

livertarian said:

maliceide said:
Even wal-mart does pre employment pot screening. They should be happy that a pot head want to put up with the bull shit they throw out. surreal



Amen. They do not even realize just how desperately they need regular drug users to staff their stores.

Does anybody remember the chain department store Bradlees? They might have been mainly an East Coast thing back in the 80s. It was my first wage job, in high school. The managers were always snorting coke in the stockroom; they tried to hide the fact from us teens who part-timed there, but we'd find little pieces of evidence all the time. Maybe it's not much of a point, but they were all great managers, despite (or because of?) their drug issues/habits.

Whatever gets you through the day.



I remember Bradlees.....

livertarian

livertarian

Fairfax, VA
February 2008

MAR 25, 2008 11:53 AM

Colinism said:

RandomNerd said:

Colinism said:

livertarian said:
How controversial are laws prohibiting murder or other forms of violence by comparison?



Very, who are you to tell me who I can and can't kill. Just because I am not god, does not mean that I can't play god....... wink



Does Atlanta have community theaters? You could always join one and put on "Jesus Christ Superstar" biggrin



I am far too shy to get in front of people like that, but yes yes we do indeed have culture down here.



I miss Atlanta. Especially the cheap pot.

livertarian

livertarian

Fairfax, VA
February 2008

MAR 25, 2008 11:58 AM

Cash said:
I'm not talking about drug laws as a deterrent. There is almost no such thing as a deterrent as far as drugs go. I say almost because if not for the fact that I could lose my job...I might fool around with some of the softer stuff. Same things as...I don't drink & drive because it's dangerous and I could lose my job. That fear deters me from certain behaviors.

I think it was Chris Rock who put it best...and I'm really paraphrasing here...but he said something to the effect of "You could get rid of every single drug in the world...and there would still be some guy in his basement with a jar of gasoline & some lima beans...trying to figure out a way to get high"

What I'm talking about are substantial public safety hazards. Meth labs explode. Meth labs aren't just trailers in the desert...and they aren't just in bombed out demilitarized zones. Meth labs are in residential neighborhoods...and they explode and they kill people...innocent people. The pose a threat to everyone in the vicinity.

Legalizing meth would not make that go away. I have no moral opposition to the ingestion of meth...it's the jacked-up tweakers who blow shit up in the effort to produce it that I have an issue with.



I should have read your post more carefully, Cash. My apologies sir!

So you would favor a controlled means of production in this case?

I generally do not endorse government as a regulator or controller of production of anything, but this is the likely scenario should decriminalization ever gain steam. I would much prefer a private market solution. Maybe a certification program or sorts. A "Meth Guild." Kind of like the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval.

Oh, and sort of off-topic, maybe: We should stop caring about athletes who use drugs. Or start a Drugs Olympics. Prohibition of drugs in sports is a hopeless effort.

RandomNerd

RandomNerd

Albany, NY
January 2005

MAR 25, 2008 12:07 PM

livertarian said:
Oh, and sort of off-topic, maybe: We should stop caring about athletes who use drugs. Or start a Drugs Olympics. Prohibition of drugs in sports is a hopeless effort.



Again, I agree... If a man wants testlicles like raisins -or if a woman wants testicles- let 'em jam that stuff into their ass. No skin off my nose. May the best Lab win!

Barny

Barny

United Kingdom
December 2003

MAR 25, 2008 12:08 PM

very interesting read smile I liked all your little links, hehe.
In the UK i've experienced it from a different side as my mum is interested in organic cotton and hemp, where growing hemp for paper and clothes use is a fighting struggle as the law treats it as smokable weed. imagine being caught with a kg of hemp and being charged the same as a kg of skunk. strange world.

livertarian

livertarian

Fairfax, VA
February 2008

MAR 25, 2008 12:11 PM

RandomNerd said:
May the best Lab win!



HAH!

livertarian

livertarian

Fairfax, VA
February 2008

MAR 25, 2008 12:26 PM

FTR would probably take me to task if he read this, but his citation of the Dupont angle in the criminalization of pot is a perfect case study in support of limited government.

Get rid of federal drug laws, phase out federal social programs and fucking get rid of the Federal Reserve. Slash the federal government by 75%. Get rid of market regulation while keeping basic laws against pollution, racketeering and insider trading. Remove incentives for corruption at the highest level of authority. Reduce the power these people hold! Big Government got us here, small government is the only way to reverse the trend. Fuckers.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

MAR 25, 2008 12:33 PM

livertarian said:

Colinism said:

RandomNerd said:

Colinism said:

livertarian said:
How controversial are laws prohibiting murder or other forms of violence by comparison?



Very, who are you to tell me who I can and can't kill. Just because I am not god, does not mean that I can't play god....... wink



Does Atlanta have community theaters? You could always join one and put on "Jesus Christ Superstar" biggrin



I am far too shy to get in front of people like that, but yes yes we do indeed have culture down here.



I miss Atlanta. Especially the cheap pot.



I'm just here for the cheap guns. smile

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAR 25, 2008 12:41 PM

Saraah said:

FearTheReaper said:
If they are dead, they should be dug up and set on fire. But they won't be, because they have made billions of dollars keeping pot illegal. Plus, it would be weird to dig up a body and set it on fire. And I doubt anyone would understand the political statement.



That really made me laugh. Thanks!



Had to happen at some point.

TheRedBaron

TheRedBaron

Cambridge, MA
November 2003

MAR 25, 2008 01:04 PM


livertarian said:

Cash said:
I'm for legalizing anything in its natural state. I think it's completely moronic that I can smoke a tobacco plant but not a marijuana plant. I can chew mint leaves but not cocoa leaves.

I do not support the legalization of manufactured or refined drugs.

Meth, for example is extremely dangerous to make and injures innocent people in the process. I don't really care if some tweaker blows himself up in the middle of the desert...but we all know (or should) that meth is cooked in residential neighborhoods as well.

Decriminalization of meth would not stem the production of it...so I am not for the legalization or decriminalization of any drug like meth.

I do, however, think you should be allowed to grow as much pot as you can...so long as it's for personal use.



I agree with you on pot. But I disagree about other drugs. They should all be legal. The current system proves to me, without a doubt, that the threat of incarceration is not a deterrent to what people put in their bodies, nor is it a deterrent to the criminals who traffic drugs. Lots of kids in shitty neighborhoods think that drug dealing is their only option. What if we took away that option?

All drugs are a public health issue. The only way society will learn to steer clear of the hard stuff, or maturely manage the light stuff, is the usual way: parenting, friends, and to a lesser degree, public education. The law has failed miserably on this matter.



There's another factor here that all the "pro legalization" posts thus far have missed. Namely, the fate of drugs after legalization. Maybe drug laws are a failure as a deterrent, and maybe they're not as effective as we'd like at keeping drugs from being synthesized, but they are completely, 100% effective at keeping drugs out of the hands of corporations. I'm all for the legalization of pot (although I don't much care for it myslef) but I get a stone in my stomach when I think the private sector being allowed to produce, sell, and market something as profoundly addictive and destructive as heroin or meth. The drugs laws are worth keeping and cherishing this purpose alone.

bugbue

bugbue

Beaverton, OR
August 2006

MAR 25, 2008 01:24 PM

Thomas Jefferson was right. Our country is full of bullshit food and medicine controlled by a system created by our governement to make a few people rich.

We can pop all the fucked off pills we want and drink ourselves to death but we can't smoke weed or grow hemp.

One thing: the stereotype that weed makes you lazy is bull. Marijuana is great with exercise and sports and hemp seed is a great dietary supplement.

livertarian

livertarian

Fairfax, VA
February 2008

MAR 25, 2008 01:32 PM

TheRedBaron said:
There's another factor here that all the "pro legalization" posts thus far have missed. Namely, the fate of drugs after legalization. Maybe drug laws are a failure as a deterrent, and maybe they're not as effective as we'd like at keeping drugs from being synthesized, but they are completely, 100% effective at keeping drugs out of the hands of corporations. I'm all for the legalization of pot (although I don't much care for it myslef) but I get a stone in my stomach when I think the private sector being allowed to produce, sell, and market something as profoundly addictive and destructive as heroin or meth. The drugs laws are worth keeping and cherishing this purpose alone.



That is the only meaningful argument against legalization. But I still believe it is totally trumped by the nastiness of our current system. And I still think the government would do a shitty job controlling production. People worry about the negative effects of marketing, but I worry more about the things our government tells us. Remember, it's government that tells us pot is as dangerous as heroin. In the world of commerce, I would argue that we generally get better information, despite the noise of marketing, and no one is forced to buy anything at gunpoint.

Cash

Cash

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

MAR 25, 2008 01:41 PM

I'll tell you what...first, get marijuana legalized. Then, we'll worry about crank & smack.

lefthandright

lefthandright

New Zealand
September 2006

MAR 25, 2008 02:24 PM

wow...lets legalize drugs,...especially weed....i have to say,...that's a HUGE call...

"The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday ruled doctors can be blocked from prescribing marijuana for patients suffering from pain caused by cancer...." The cancer doesn't happen to be lung cancer does it? That's just a perfect circle..I smoked weed my whole life for relaxation...now I have lung cancer..so now I smoke it to alleviate the pain caused by the cancer....last check up I had it seems the cancer is getting worse...so I smoke more weed...

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