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Hillary: You Lost. Go Away.

TUESDAY MARCH 18 2008 6:00 AM

Submitted by FearTheReaper. Edited By erin_broadley.

TAGS: Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Democratic Primary

I do not know what in the fuck Hillary Clinton is doing. There is no way she can legitimately win the Democratic nomination. Turns out, a long time ago some asshole invented math and because of math, Hillary cannot win. She is a dead lady walking, which makes her continuing campaign completely absurd.

Clinton has only one strategy at this point: Scare superdelegates into voting against Obama. Either because he’s black, or he knew a guy named Rezko, or he’s black, or he can’t win big states, or he’s black, or because he’s not white. Hillary’s minions are now actually attempting to rename superdelegates. They want them to be called “automatic delegates,” which is apparently more appetizing and will somehow, magically allow Democrats to view them as pleasant, instead of what they are: Undemocratic, party insider bullshit.


The worry appears to be that the phrase "super-delegates" implies that "they have super-powers or super influence when they don't," the source says, describing Ickes' thinking. In other words, the phrase suggests that they have greater than average clout and that they have the power to overrule the democratic process, giving it the taint of back-room power politics.

The new term "automatic delegates" appears to be ostensibly a reference to the fact that these folks are super-delegates automatically, by virtue of their office or position.


Wow, that’s retarded. And Rovian. Good luck with that.

Meanwhile, other delegates chosen directly by voters are not "automatic."


In a letter sent to the state Democratic Party late Friday, the Clinton campaign requests the March 29 count and state Senate district conventions be postponed until the eligibility of an estimated 1 million caucus-goers are double checked.


Yes, let’s check the signatures of 1 million voters. Great idea and not at all scumbaggery.

Here is where Hillary’s problem lies.

It’s called reality. The only way she can win the nomination, by getting more delegates and winning the popular vote, is to crush Obama in all the remaining primaries. She has yet to crush Obama in one state primary. He has crushed her in several.

Hillary has also been loudly proclaiming that the Florida and Michigan delegates should be counted. Obviously, she did not come to this brilliant conclusion until she won both states. Hillary also apparently does not remember signing this document:


THEREFORE, I (Hillary Clinton), Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules, pledge to actively campaign in the pre-approved early states Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina. I pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window (any date prior to February 5, 2008).


Hillary’s not going to “participate,” but she’s going to fight for the delegates. Which, is kind of "participating" in the process. She even wants the delegates from Michigan seated, where she was the only name on the ballot and voters were not allowed to write in Obama’s name. That is apparently totally acceptable – especially so in Asshole World.

Obama’s people, obviously, say, “No.”

How about a re-vote? Or, how about we follow the rules that were agreed to ahead of the campaign? How about we act like adults? How about if one of the leading Democratic candidates doesn’t attempt to pull a bullshit move that reminds every voter of Bush’s tactics? Does that sound good?

Apparently not. Hillary’s campaign can’t survive a re-vote. It’s something her biggest supporters don’t understand. So, being incredibly intelligent, I will break it down for them.

Currently the popular vote looks like this:


    Obama – 13,281,132
    Clinton – 12,577,409


That is without Florida and Michigan. With those two rogue states, it looks like this:


    Obama - 13,857,346
    Clinton – 13,776,704


Obviously, that’s a big difference. Clinton narrows the lead to under 100,000 with Michigan and Florida counted. But what happens if there is a revote in both states? Uh oh, then Clinton is getting her ass kicked again.

If a revote is agreed to, suddenly Hillary can no longer tell her supporters she is within striking distance. Toss those totals out and she has to accept being down nearly 1 million votes. Considering right now her campaign is running on pure bullshit, she’d be fucked. Even her minions would be forced to recognize that she has failed. The 193 extra delegates Clinton claims are hers, suddenly are not and she looks like the beaten candidate that she is.

And no fucking way in hell can she ever do better that the original, bullshit primaries held in Florida and Michigan. She was the only person on the ballot in Michigan. Latest polls show a tied race in the giant mitten. Obama would gain in delegates and popular vote. In Florida, Edwards was still on the ballot and Obama did not campaign in the state. In every state Obama campaigns in, he drastically cuts Hillary’s lead. Obama only came away with 32% of the vote in Florida. He would obviously get more in a revote. That’s more delegates and more votes.

As of now, Michigan looks like it will have a June revote. I like to call it a re-primary, or a re-mary. Bad news for Clinton. It appears Florida will not have a re-mary and Senator Nelson is calling for the delegates to be seated, but only count as ˝.


Seeing little support for a do-over presidential primary by mail, U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida on Friday began floating the idea of getting half the state's Democratic delegation counted at this summer's national convention.

The move, if approved by the Democratic National Committee and the presidential campaigns, would reduce by half Hillary Clinton's 38-delegate margin over Barack Obama among the 188 pledged delegates who normally would be selected based on the January 29 primary.


Nelson is a big Clinton supporter – so his plan is a big blow. A 19 delegate pick up is not what Hillary needs. Her peeps are not pleased.


"We believe that every vote ought to count," said Mo Elleithee, a Clinton spokesman.

"Florida and Michigan should have a role in the nominating process."


Well, they’re going to. It’s just not going to be the one you want. Obama is playing this smart.


Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki said, "Our position has remained that we will do whatever the DNC decides."


The Clinton campaign needs to keep people thinking that the Florida and Michigan’s first results will be counted, because that creates uncertainty. Her campaign cannot survive right now without uncertainty. As soon as a resolution is reached, Clinton is toast. She will no longer be able to convince supporters that she will have the lead in delegates or the popular vote when Democrats hold their convention. Superdelegates or “automatic delegates” will never take the suicidal route of reversing the people’s choice.


I've asked several prominent uncommitted superdelegates if there's any chance they would reverse the will of Democratic voters. They all say no. It would shatter young people and destroy the party.


Hillary is done. She has been since Mini Super Tuesday. There is no way for her to win. I know this because I passed my grammar school math classes. Pack it the fuck in, crazy lady.

 

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SUICIDEGIRL

Connecticut, USA

MAR 18, 2008 09:03 AM

Thanks for the post.

Uncognitive

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY
May 2003

MAR 18, 2008 09:05 AM

Reaver said:
Why does everyone bash fucking Nixon? Aside from carrying on the failed policy of Vietnam given to him by LBJ and Kennedy! And Watergate?



Yes, because of Watergate.

I'm continually baffled at how "Watergate", meaning Nixon's massive abuses of Presidential power to the extent of intentionally breaking the law, attempting to subvert the democratic process, and then attempting to cover it up, can be so easily dismissed by Nixon apologists.

Oh, and his illegal expansion of the Vietnam war into Cambodia and Laos doesn't help his case, especially since he illegally concealed it from Congress.

Richard Nixon said:
"Well, when the president does it that means that it is not illegal."

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

MAR 18, 2008 09:07 AM

Obama's camp did a little re-naming of the delegates themselves. I thought it was cute. I got an email from them recently where they referred to "pledged" delegates as "earned" delegates.

I liked that.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

MAR 18, 2008 09:09 AM

401kboy said:
Believe me, I do not want to see Hillary Clinton nominated. I'm not sure I want to see Obama nominated either. The best hope for the Democrats might well be a brokered convention that results in someone else being chosen. I can think of half a dozen prominent Democrats who are much better presidential material than either of them.



You are high. If this happened, it would be the biggest political disaster in recent memory. Even if the superdelegates flip and pick Clinton, at least a large percentage of the country would have voted for her. If they decide they're picking someone else, you know how hard it would be to get people out to vote?

Seriously, you may not be happy with the field, but polls show the vast (VAST) majority of Democrats are. They'll be fine whoever wins.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

MAR 18, 2008 09:24 AM

AmbientLight said:
. This is a test of his metal, .


Maiden/Priest 2008!

scylis

scylis

Seattle, WA
November 2004

MAR 18, 2008 09:54 AM

PointBlank said:

AmbientLight said:
. This is a test of his metal, .


Maiden/Priest 2008!



this is a race for the future, not the past. the past was good in its day, but it is still the past. we must look to the future, with a nomination for the future!

Mastodon/Five Finger Death Punch '08!

Salome

Salome

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

MAR 18, 2008 09:57 AM

PointBlank said:

AmbientLight said:
. This is a test of his metal, .


Maiden/Priest 2008!



Someone photoshop the Slayer logo onto an Obama picture; I'm not that talented.

SaucisseDanseuse

SaucisseDanseuse

Italy
March 2005

MAR 18, 2008 10:17 AM


Maiden/Priest 2008!



Someone photoshop the Slayer logo onto an Obama picture; I'm not that talented.



well. here in italy we're gonna win the election then, come june 2008. look at the poster - the trinity YOU want will be here all at once.



so what i'd love is to get a one-off obama speech at the festival. his metal would be tested and loved then.

kthxbi

kthxbi

Pensacola, FL
November 2006

MAR 18, 2008 10:18 AM

Subrosa said:
... "earned" delegates.



as opposed to "bought and paid for" delegates

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

MAR 18, 2008 10:31 AM

I like the way Kos said it over at DailyKos in this article that he posted explaining why his blog was hostile toward Clinton instead of being a cheerleader for both candidates.

...But I could deal with all of that, really, if Clinton was headed toward victory. I see this as a long-term movement, and I've always expected setbacks along the way. Clinton isn't the most horrible person in the world. She's actually quite nice, despite all her flaws, and would make a fine enough president.

If she was winning.

But she's not, and that's the rub.

First of all, the only path to victory for Clinton is via coup by super delegate.

She knows this. That's why there's all the talk about poaching pledged delegates and spinning uncertainty around Michigan and Florida, and laying the case for super delegates to discard the popular will and stage a coup.

Yet a coup by super delegate would sunder the party in civil war.

Clinton knows this, it's her only path to victory, and she doesn't care. She is willing -- nay, eager to split the party apart in her mad pursuit of power.

If the situations were reversed, and Obama was lagging in the delegates, popular vote, states won, money raised, and every other reasonable measure, then I'd feel the same way about Obama. (I pulled the plug early on Dean in 2004.) But that's not the case.

It is Clinton, with no reasonable chance of victory, who is fomenting civil war in order to overturn the will of the Democratic electorate. As such, as far as I'm concerned, she doesn't deserve "fairness" on this site. All sexist attacks will be dealt with -- those will never be acceptable. But otherwise, Clinton has set an inevitably divisive course and must be dealt with appropriately.

To reiterate, she cannot win without overturning the will of the national Democratic electorate and fomenting civil war, and she doesn't care.

That's why she has earned my enmity and that of so many others. That's why she is bleeding super delegates. That's why she's even bleeding her own caucus delegates (remember, she lost a delegate in Iowa on Saturday). That's why Keith Olbermann finally broke his neutrality. That's why Nancy Pelosi essentially cast her lot with Obama. That's why Democrats outside of the Beltway are hoping for the unifying Obama at the top of the ticket, and not a Clinton so divisive, she is actually working to split her own party.

Meanwhile, Clinton and her shrinking band of paranoid holdouts wail and scream about all those evil people who have "turned" on Clinton and are no longer "honest power brokers" or "respectable voices" or whatnot, wearing blinders to reality, talking about silly little "strikes" when in reality, Clinton is planning a far more drastic, destructive and dehabilitating civil war.

People like me have two choices -- look the other way while Clinton attempts to ignite her civil war, or fight back now, before we cross that dangerous line. Honestly, it wasn't a difficult choice. And it's clear, looking at where the super delegates, most bloggers, and people like Olbermann are lining up, that the mainstream of the progressive movement is making the same choice.

And the more super delegates see what is happening, and what Clinton has in store, the more imperative it is that they line up behind Obama and put an end to it before it's too late.

strndniowa

strndniowa

Grimes, IA
May 2007

MAR 18, 2008 10:33 AM

Huh...screwing with the votes..Florida involved...
Hillary W Bush?

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

I can't believe I'm the first one with this?!

scylis

scylis

Seattle, WA
November 2004

MAR 18, 2008 10:35 AM

strndniowa said:
Huh...screwing with the votes..Florida involved...
Hillary W Bush?

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

I can't believe I'm the first one with this?!



only in your mind, you are.

Reaver

Reaver

Sneads Ferry, NC
August 2003

MAR 18, 2008 10:37 AM

I always like how Clinton supporters can gloss over Whitewater, Travelgate, and committing what is tantamount to perjury by lying to a Grand Jury.

But why split hairs?

Not to mention ten congressmen (including 5 major democrats knew about Operation Menu, and didn't say a goddamned word). Furthermore, and not to be a Nixon fan, since he wasn't delcaring war on Cambodia? He didn't need the permission of Congress did he?

By the way? Think Clinton asked permission for Operation: Infinite Reach? Think he mentioned it to Congress as they were seeing about impeaching him?

I am not apologizing for Nixon, but maybe we could have an I don't know, far and balanced look at his presidency instead of just yelling 'Vietnam and Watergate' at the mention of his name.



thefreak

thefreak

NEWSWIRE

Gardner, MA

MAR 18, 2008 10:54 AM

Salome said:

PointBlank said:

AmbientLight said:
. This is a test of his metal, .


Maiden/Priest 2008!


Someone photoshop the Slayer logo onto an Obama picture; I'm not that talented.


What the hell. It's an amusing prospect, and I was bored. biggrin

zoom image

-TM

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAR 18, 2008 11:08 AM

Michigan revote dead.

There will be no revote in either state. Good news for Hillary Clinton. She can pretend she still has a chance.

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