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Father's Rights; Another Myth in the United States

SUNDAY MARCH 16 2008 7:35 AM

Submitted by DevilsReject. Edited By Sean.

TAGS: Children, Fathers, Single Parents, Dad

On October 16, 1999, at 12:58 in the afternoon, my life had changed, forever. After rushing my wife at the time to the local emergency room, her water broken, she finally gave birth to my daughter after 21 hours of labor.

I was an emotional mess. Watching the birth of my daughter had to be one of the most humbling moments of my life. Feelings of joy, seeing all ten fingers, and all ten toes, overwhelming feelings of love, and fear for her future and how I was going to provide for her had overtaken me.

I then decided it was my time to exit this marriage due to many personal and viable reasons. I stayed in it because I know how Father's Rights are an outright myth in Family Court. I had decided to go after full custody of my daughter. I filed for emergency custody and had custody of my daughter within a week of leaving my ex-wife.

I really had underestimated what I was in for. My custody battle lasted 3 and a half years in the Family Court System.

A large number of children are ordered to see a child psychologist when divorce is filed. Counselors and psychologists are encouraged by our system to give bad reports against a father. Fathers are automatically presumed capable of abuse before any mother.



I personally was made out to be just short of a rapist/serial killer/child molesting/psycho by my ex-wife. The State of Ohio immediately looked down upon me and took her side, simply by her allegations. I wasn't battling against just my ex-wife. I was battling against the Court System's natural bias against fathers, and the idea that if the mother says it, it must be true. I was struggling to prove myself innocent, even though there was absolutely no truth to the allegations.

I dealt with lawyers telling me that father's aren't the best parent, I dealt with judges saying the same thing, I dealt with an inept Child Cervices program telling me that I was using my daughter to hurt my ex-wife, simply because I wanted custody of her.

I got do deal with things like Child Services agents that would call her ahead of time, arrange a time to come to her house and view her parental skills. The ex-wife could manage to make herself look golden in that time. Meanwhile, they just dropped by my house anytime they wanted, unannounced.

Finally, after 3 and a half years my custody battle came to an end. Why you ask? Did the court system and child services investigate to prove who the better parent was? Did they spend hours upon hours with each parent to find the truth in who my daughter belonged with?

No. What it came down to is that my ex-wife wanted to re-marry. My lawyer was smart enough to write in the legal documentation that divorce wasn't granted until custody was decided. I didn't plan on giving up my crusade for custody of my daughter so that my ex-wife could get re-married. She finally folded and signed custody over to me.

I went from a rapist/serial killer/child molesting/psycho to a suitable father within the time it took for her to sign her name on a piece of paper. The courts didn't question it once, child services never piped up and said anything. It was just okay because she signed over custodial rights. I spent a lot of time, and money, to prove that I was the better parent and to defend myself against all the false allegations she made. It was all a moot point, she signed over custody, they didn't care if I was the better parent, they didn't care if I was a rapist/serial killer/child molesting/psycho, she signed the piece of paper.

I did it though, I beat the odds.

An Ohio study published in Family Advocate found that fathers seeking sole custody obtain it in less than 10% of cases, and a Utah study conducted over 23 years found similar results. According to the 2000 Census Bureau report, mothers comprise 85% of all custodial parents.



In an era when a person's actions are blamed on the lack of a father figure in a child's life, the Family Court system is doing just about everything it can to force a father away from his child.

The presence (or absence) of a father in a child's life is one of the largest factors in predicting whether a child will graduate high school, attend college, become involved in crime or drugs, or get pregnant before age 18. The greatest and least recognized force behind America's epidemic of fatherlessness is the way courts allow custodial mothers to drive fathers out of their children's lives.



This is an important issue to me in the upcoming election. Once you live something it kind of has this way of sticking with you, and you want to hear what the candidates have to say.

When John McCain was questioned about Father's Rights, this was his response:

"I'm sorry to disappoint you, I am not going to overturn divorce court decisions. That's why we have courts and that's why people go to court and get a divorce. If I as President of the United States said this decision has to be overturned without the proper appeals process then I would be disturbing our entire system of government... But for me to stand here before all these people and say that I'm going declare divorces invalid because someone feels that they weren't treated fairly in court, we are getting into a, uh, uh, tar baby of enormous proportions."



Wait. What? "Tar baby of enormous proportions". Who the hell says something like that and doesn't expect to offend someone. He later apologized for this statement. Well. Not the entire statement which basically amounts to "I am sorry our Family court system is all Asshole Fuckfaced up, get bent". He apologized because he said "Tar baby".

Barack Obama has introduced legislation to give men the chance to do the right thing, making it easier to be a responsible father.

Congress can make it easier for those who make that responsible choice—and make it harder for those who avoid it. This legislation will provide support for fathers who are trying to do the right thing in making child-support payments by providing them with job training and job opportunities......



Great. I am happy that he is making it easier for men to pay child support that they should be paying anyway. But what about us guys that have full custody and have mothers that don't pay child support? What about my rights as a father in Family Court? This bill is falling under great criticism amongst Father's Rights Advocates.

Finally we can't forget Hillary Clinton

Hillary will restore funding for child support enforcement to make sure that fathers do their part to support their children. But she will also reward responsible fatherhood by ensuring that every dollar of child support payments directly benefits children and expanding the EITC to give fathers more economic opportunities to do right by their kids.



Once again, more talk of making it easier to for the man to pay child support, but nothing of a Father's Rights in the Family Court system. Hillary also has some skeletons in her family tree when it comes to late child support payments.

What about Single Fathers who want to raise their child and be a part of their life? There are 2.5 million of us. 740,000 of us go without Child Support. The issue of Father's Rights in a biased court system seems to go undetected.

As a single father, I worry daily that my right as a single father may be taken away from me. That if the ex-wife decides that at some point she wants custody back, she can simply point a finger and make a false allegation, and Ohio's Court system will back her, just because she is "the better parent" according to their archaic views. I honestly think I would be back at square one.

This subject is extremely hard to research. Much like any other topic, it has it's extremists. Exploiting sexism, race and all the other things that really don't matter. I read such wonderful things as Hillary Clinton being in office would abominate any chances of Father's Rights because she is a woman. I also read such wonderful things as Barack Obama being being a black male will affect Father's rights. The subject is extremely heated, and with any heated subject, the morons seem to be the loudest.

I have personally lived this subject, and unfortunately I will tell you that at least in Ohio, a father who is going after full custody of his child is fighting an up hill battle, long before the first court date. It took me almost a month just to find a lawyer that would take the case and fight it rather than just attempt to get my child support payments as low as possible and accept defeat before I started.

I cringe when I hear of another deadbeat parent avoiding responsibility, especially when it's a father. This does absolutely nothing for the cause of father's who actually want to be a part of their child's life. I just wish that mentality that all men are incapable of taking care of children wouldn't carry over into a court system that should be unbiased, that should be concerned about what is in the best interest of the child, not about whether the custodial parent has a penis or not.

Family Courts in every state need an overhaul. The archaic thought process of the court system is outdated. We have a failing child support program on our hands, we have thousands of single parents going without justified child support payments because Family Courts and Child Services can't do their job correctly. I am sure there are many single mothers that can add their own horror story to this topic. Something definitely needs to be done to enhance this process, it's not going to get better on it's own.

DevilsReject has watched Finding Nemo approximately 1,562.75 times with his daughter and is looking forward to the next 1,562.75 times

 

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BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

Knoxville, TN
OLD SKOOL

MAR 17, 2008 06:12 PM

mydogfarted said:

Subrosa said:

4) Please, oh please, oh PLEASE do explain what on Earth you mean by this:

but also do the right thing and back up DR's points as well.


Please.



What I mean is, instead of shitting on him for using biased sources, perhaps you could have either:
(a) stayed out of the discussion
(b) contributed in a positive manor.

Tell me... are any of these comments positive?


That may be true, but it doesn't excuse you basing your research upon such morons.

The quote you gave me doesn't give me much hope that it's unlike the last one.

Lies, damned lies and statistics.



Yes, these are all taken out of context, but in light of this whole exchange between us, who really gives a fuck?


Here is a little reading in relation to your first post. Probably mine as well.



Allowing the OP to go unchallenged when the debate itself is tarnished by the bias and misleading manner with which the information is presented would do a disservice to import of the issue at hand and be a damned sight worse than challenging it while throwing fluffy bunny language to the wind.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

MAR 17, 2008 06:14 PM

mydogfarted said:

Subrosa said:

4) Please, oh please, oh PLEASE do explain what on Earth you mean by this:

but also do the right thing and back up DR's points as well.


Please.



What I mean is, instead of shitting on him for using biased sources, perhaps you could have either:
(a) stayed out of the discussion
(b) contributed in a positive manor.

Tell me... are any of these comments positive?


That may be true, but it doesn't excuse you basing your research upon such morons.

The quote you gave me doesn't give me much hope that it's unlike the last one.

Lies, damned lies and statistics.



Yes, these are all taken out of context, but in light of this whole exchange between us, who really gives a fuck?


Here is a little reading in relation to your first post. Probably mine as well.



Wow. Out of context indeed. I posted a shit-ton of links and information, never personally attacked the original poster, and presented things to him in a constructive manner (which he acknowledged himself). The last two quotes of mine were actually talking about his sources, not him (Please also note that DevilsReject himself acknowledged that the links he posted were biased. So why am I a dick for pointing that out?). Plus, the last "Lies, damned lies and statistics" is a well-known quotation which is nearly universally understood to mean that one can use statistics in extremely misleading ways. That's it.

To say that you are reaching here would be a classic understatement. You can try to make it out to be something more, but you look ridiculous.

What do you mean by "this little exchange between us"?

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

MAR 17, 2008 06:17 PM

BlastProcessing said:

mydogfarted said:

Subrosa said:

4) Please, oh please, oh PLEASE do explain what on Earth you mean by this:

but also do the right thing and back up DR's points as well.


Please.



What I mean is, instead of shitting on him for using biased sources, perhaps you could have either:
(a) stayed out of the discussion
(b) contributed in a positive manor.

Tell me... are any of these comments positive?


That may be true, but it doesn't excuse you basing your research upon such morons.

The quote you gave me doesn't give me much hope that it's unlike the last one.

Lies, damned lies and statistics.



Yes, these are all taken out of context, but in light of this whole exchange between us, who really gives a fuck?


Here is a little reading in relation to your first post. Probably mine as well.



Allowing the OP to go unchallenged when the debate itself is tarnished by the bias and misleading manner with which the information is presented would do a disservice to import of the issue at hand and be a damned sight worse than challenging it while throwing fluffy bunny language to the wind.



I like how I'm supposed to "stay out of the discussion" if I have information that disagrees with the original poster. Oh, if only every poster on CE ever was given that expectation, eh? This forum would be awesome!

Bastardo

Bastardo

Boston, MA
January 2005

MAR 17, 2008 06:29 PM

Subrosa said:

I like how I'm supposed to "stay out of the discussion" if I have information that disagrees with the original poster. Oh, if only every poster on CE ever was given that expectation, eh? This forum would be awesome!



It would also be very quiet. And this thread would be a page long, at most.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

MAR 17, 2008 06:31 PM

Bastardo said:

Subrosa said:

I like how I'm supposed to "stay out of the discussion" if I have information that disagrees with the original poster. Oh, if only every poster on CE ever was given that expectation, eh? This forum would be awesome!



It would also be very quiet. And this thread would be a page long, at most.



I agree!

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

(Because I have to!)

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

MAR 17, 2008 06:43 PM

Subrosa said:
And thanks for being self-aware enough to realize that you have an inherent bias here. It's actually quite refreshing and rare. Note, I did not try to argue against your point of view or argue that you did not have a right to feel the way you do, just presented some information and perspective to counter some parts of it.



Anyone that presents their discussion in a calm and rational manner, i really have no problem reading it. I know i am far from perfect, i know my points of views on how things work are not the only perspective on how things really work, it's more or less just my opinion on how they work.

You never personally criticized me, you criticized the sources i cited, which in any news article is always possible. I never took offense to anything you said, it was quite nice to actually read your perspective on it.

Irregardless the system is inherently flawed. It's not like it's just fathers having issues with the system, i don't have citation to back it up, but i am pretty sure no custodial parent on the planet likes dealing with Family Courts or Child Services just because of what a "game" it has become.

And just so you know, i wouldn't be hanging out by the mailbox waiting for that check...... tongue

SergeantPsycho

SergeantPsycho

Hampton, VA
January 2007

MAR 17, 2008 06:53 PM

Actually Devil's Reject, I'm not sure it's merely the Family Courts that are biased against men. I think our judicial system in general is biased against men. I remember last year where a woman got less than a year for shooting her husband in the back with a shot gun in his sleep.

Also, I'm glad you won custody of your Daughter in the end, and I sincerely hope you're able to spend many happy years with her.

thefreak

thefreak

NEWSWIRE

Gardner, MA

MAR 17, 2008 07:02 PM

SergeantPsycho said:
Actually Devil's Reject, I'm not sure it's merely the Family Courts that are biased against men. I think our judicial system in general is biased against men. I remember last year where a woman got less than a year for shooting her husband in the back with a shot gun in his sleep.


Would that be Mary Winkler?

-TM

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

MAR 17, 2008 07:19 PM

SergeantPsycho said:
Actually Devil's Reject, I'm not sure it's merely the Family Courts that are biased against men. I think our judicial system in general is biased against men. I remember last year where a woman got less than a year for shooting her husband in the back with a shot gun in his sleep.

Also, I'm glad you won custody of your Daughter in the end, and I sincerely hope you're able to spend many happy years with her.



I try to spend as little time in police custody/judical system as possible. Yea, i know i am not hardcore, but i prefer my freedom. It's been a long, long while since i had to stand in front of a judge for anything other than in Family Court.

xInKeDx

xInKeDx

Phoenix, AZ
March 2008

MAR 17, 2008 08:17 PM

Congrats on getting the custody.

I'm a single mother and I have nothing but good things to say for single fathers or fathers in general who take responsibility for their children. Specially if they aren't with the mother.

Great job. ^_^ Sorry you had to go through all you did, though, to get support of your daughter.

AmbientLight

AmbientLight

Huntington Beach, CA
March 2005

MAR 17, 2008 10:38 PM

Damn... what an ordeal you endured!
And I can imagine the fears you face, of having it repeated.

Kudos to you for loving your daughter enough to endure this challenge... to endure the uphill legal battle, the slander, the wuss lawyers.

And cool to know you're such a doting daddy. I hope the system and the ex, leave you two in peace...

Clidna

Clidna

Emo, ON
January 2005

MAR 18, 2008 01:20 AM

Excellent article, biased or not. This is a subject that needs to be brought out in the open, regardless of the quality of the sources quoted, if only because it will get people thinking about the subject and hopefully, finding information about it. Bravo, and congrats on getting custody smile

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

MAR 18, 2008 01:38 AM

It's probably been mentioned before, but just in case, here's the link to Fathers 4 Justice.

Toku666

Toku666

Columbus, OH
May 2004

MAR 18, 2008 02:15 AM

UpTight said:
It's probably been mentioned before, but just in case, here's the link to Fathers 4 Justice.



"U" for effort, dude. wai 2 b.

gigabrain

gigabrain

Melrose, MA
September 2007

MAR 18, 2008 02:32 PM

id just like to congratulate you on getting custody of your daughter. when i was younger(which really wasn't that long ago) my parents went through a similar issue.

I'll toss it in spoilers, its long and convoluted and may not totally be relevant to the issue at hand but it still feels good to get it out. i apologize in advance

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

My parents had divorced around my 5th birthday and they granted custody to my mother. Things didnt go so well for us, because of the divorce we were told to leave our house and move elsewhere. My father almost lost his job, a military contract job that required a security clearance, and had troubles finding a place to live. Even though he wasnt my custodial parent he was there almost as much as my mother was, and there were times I told my mother, much to her dismay, that "i want to live with daddy". He showed up to everything, he became my assistant scoutmaster when i joined cub scouts so he could get involved, when i went to scout day camp during the summers he went along as the camp nurse, he took me on vacations to see family in california and florida. After my mother remarried things stayed pretty much the same, i lived with her, but spent a goodly amount of time with my dad. What i didnt know was that they were still fighting about a lot of things, chief among them me. After the birth of my sister(yes i know shes my half sister but i really dont care about the semantics) i started having emotional issues. I had been an only child for 10 years and wasnt ready to give up attention and, most importantly, my playroom to someone else. My mother kept things under control for about a year until one night i snapped and attacked her and my sister. up until then i had been in and out of the juvenile lock down ward at a local hospital, and some of the stuff that happened there still surfaces every now and then to give me issues. The night i attacked my sister and mom was the nite i moved in with my father. it took another year and a half for him to get legal custody of me.

things went well for a while, until the emotional trauma of the hospital stays started to surface. he and i began fighting, mostly yelling but at times i got physical. i made accusations, i ran away, i kicked and punched him, i tried to kill myself sometimes, yet he still stuck around. he even ruined a few serious relationships and lost a few jobs because he would drop everything to take care of me. by the time i had reached high school he had remarried, and we were constantly fighting. yet he would still show up for the simplest school activity and left work many times to make sure that i had a way to get to hebrew school, or to my mothers for a visitation. i finally pushed him to the point that he couldnt handle me anymore, and i got my wish and moved in with my mom. we still have trouble speaking to oneanother even 5 years after the night i left. yet he still showed up for EVERYTHING i did, be it a presentation for school, or my color guards for JROTC. he took so many pictures of me over the years he ended up becoming a semi-professional photographer. He even took all the official pictures for my JROTC military ball my senior year and did all the pictures for my friends and i for prom. when i went off to college he showed up to help me move in to my dorm room, he even came down a few times to drive me back to my moms house when i needed to get away from everything.

Even though everything was hard for him he still stuck it out. He's the definition of a good parent and i know he tries to help other fathers he meets get a chance to at least spend time with their kids. I wish other parents got the message and worked together to help their kids, and got over their petty issues.

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