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Feel The Pride, America!

The treatment of Omar Khadr is an example of the monsters we have become in our “War on Terror.” Born in 1988 in Toronto, Khadr was raised by two, insane Muslim parents. They spent every moment preparing him for Jihad, telling him suicide bombers were the bestest of the best.


Omar's father always said he did not want to die in bed. He wanted to be killed. When his children were very young, he told them, "If you love me, pray that I will get martyred." Three times he asked Omar's older brother Abdurahman to become a suicide bomber. It would bring honor to the family, he said. Abdurahman declined. Later, when Ahmed sensed that Abdurahman's faith was weakening, he told him, "If you ever betray Islam, I will be the one to kill you."


Sounds like my old man -- except he made me play baseball.

When Omar was two, the family moved to Pakistan. In 1992, the family moved back to Canada for three years because Dad stepped on a land mine and needed to recover. Shit happens during a Jihad, yo. Omar's father raised money for Al Qaeda and sent Khadr to get formal military training before he was 12. He spent most of his formative years in Al Qaeda camps and even spent time with Osama bin Laden in Jalalabad.

When the US attacked Afghanistan, Omar was fighting with the Taliban. Well, sort of fighting. At 14, his job was to wash clothes and cook for the actual fighters. On July 27, 2002, Khadr was sent to the village of Ab Khail to translate for Taliban fighters at a gathering. American forces arrived and a firefight broke out.

Khadr was captured and charged with throwing a grenade that killed Sgt. Christopher Speer. The Pentagon said that Khadr was the only one who could have killed Speer, because he was the only person alive at that point. Of course, the Pentagon was lying.


However, a classified document, inadvertently released to reporters at the military prison by a Pentagon official Monday, provides a different eyewitness account of the events.

A U.S. soldier at the battle said in sworn testimony that two al-Qaeda fighters were alive after the fatal grenade attack.

The unidentified soldier says he killed the first al-Qaeda fighter before spotting Khadr, whom he said was wounded, on his knees and facing away from him. For reasons he does not go into, he says he shot him in the back twice.


Khadr was 15 on that day. Check him out in all his glory.



The shooting left him blind in one eye. And Khadr’s fucked up life was only about to become a lot worse. Raised by animals, who filled his mind with poison and attempted to turn him into a killing machine, Khadr saw one way out.


"Kill me," he murmured, in fluent English. "Please, just kill me."


No can do. We have to torture you and make you go crazy. Khadr was patched up and sent to Guantanamo for some civilized American treatment.


In February, his U.S. lawyer told reporters the teenager had been used as a human mop to clean urine on the floor and had been beaten, threatened with rape and tied up for hours in painful positions at Guantanamo Bay.


How about a little more detail?


Many hours had passed since Omar had been taken from his cell. He urinated on himself and on the floor. The MPs returned, mocked him for a while and then poured pine-oil solvent all over his body. Without altering his chains, they began dragging him by his feet through the mixture of urine and pine oil. Because his body had been so tightened, the new motion racked it. The MPs swung him around and around, the piss and solvent washing up into his face. The idea was to use him as a human mop. When the MPs felt they'd successfully pretended to soak up the liquid with his body, they uncuffed him and carried him back to his cell. He was not allowed a change of clothes for two days.


In 2004, the U.S. called him an “enemy combatant” in a Summary of Evidence memo that was prepared for his Combatant Status Review Tribunal. A judge tossed the case out last year.


A judge at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, ruled June 4 that Omar Khadr's case could not go forward because a military tribunal had merely determined he was an "enemy combatant" and because the judge believed he could not make such a determination of "unlawful" status.


No problemo.


The new Court of Military Commission Review has ordered a military judge to reopen the terrorism case against a 20-year-old Canadian accused of killing a U.S. serviceman in Afghanistan, ruling that the judge's decision earlier this year to dismiss the case was in error.

In a 25-page opinion issued last night, a three-member panel of the court decided that judges in military commissions can determine whether terror suspects are "unlawful enemy combatants" and are therefore subject to trial


But just to make sure there are no further problems, Khadr is now an "unprivileged belligerent." “Unprivileged belligerents” apparently don't have the right to wage war.

I am constantly amazed at our retardation and incredible lack of humanity. I am, however, no longer amazed by our constant defying of our own laws and treaties.


In December 2002, the United States ratified a treaty that establishes 18 as the minimum age for any compulsory recruitment or participation in armed conflict. This treaty "the Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of Children" obliges governments to assist in the demobilization and rehabilitation of former child soldiers, with a particular responsibility to rehabilitate child soldiers within its jurisdiction.


But he’s 20 now, so I wouldn’t expect any sympathy from anyone. He’s a product of child abuse, raised by an insane family that tried to turn him into a suicide bomber. He is the reason many countries came together to create child soldier laws. But rather than being civilized, we have gone the other way. We have justified every lie Omar’s parents ever told him. We have erased any doubt he may have had that America must be destroyed. And we have given up any right to condemn another country when they torture our soldiers during war. We are no different than the supposed enemy we fight.

Omar Khadr will have another hearing next week. Maybe we should ask him if he wants to continue to live like a rat, or if he would rather die. But, then, that would show a glimmer of humanity.

 

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WrockinWrooster

WrockinWrooster

USA
March 2006

MAR 11, 2008 12:35 PM

None of this should come as a surprise to anyone. While in prison in New Jersey, USA I was given a potent very long lasting hallucinogen which I suspect was BZ or rather some new shit which they wished to test. BZ is nasty stuff that we have about a million tons of laying around in various forms. . I was drugged other times and subjected to both psychological and physical torture. Following all of this the guards attempted to assasinate me while in a van being driven from one facility to another. A blanket was thrown over my head and then a very large african american guard began strangling me and beating the shit out of me whilst I was hancuffed behind my back and with my feet in leg irons. The guard who was driving the van pulled over and came in the back and both of them began trying to beat me to death and strangle me. After some time they realized that this was unsuccessful as I was I think to agile for them to and they were unable to completely choke me out. After a very long time of this the van was pulled over on Bloomfield Avenue and they pulled me out of the van took the blanket off my head and then sprayed almost an entire can of mace down my throat. When I got to the next "facility" the treatment continued and I was given something that the guards call "the stations of the cross" the conclusion of which is ALWAYS the prisoners death. Its been done more than once hence the name and an established procedure. It is only by the grace of God that I survived. As a direct result of my survival I was charged with aggravated assault on an officer and attempted escape in order to cover up their grotesque anti-liberty anti-american misdeeds. If anyone is wondering I was in jail on a drug charge and hadnt been in a fight since elementary school. Remember. This kind of shit happens EVERY time the republicans come to town.

smithers_jones

smithers_jones

I'm lost
November 2003

MAR 11, 2008 12:36 PM

Colinism said:

You brought up a good point that is little more than propaganda, not on purpose mind you. The whole idea that as soon as we stoop to the enemies level they have won means nothing. It wrongly implies that one of the enemies goals is to somehow make us commit heinous acts, their goal is to win plain and simple as ours should be. As I stated before and should have added to my original post. all of this is basic human nature, we can pretend all we want that we are enlightened beings filled with good but history has shown us time and time again that we are capable of the worst atrocities and all it takes for us to commit them is the most basic pretense that the enemy is somehow inferior to us in some way. Yes we should be better, we should act better, we should know better, however we are just as human as the enemy we fight and thus are no better, no smarter, nor more enlightened, and therefor we are just as prone to commit the same heinous acts as those that we condemn our enemy for committing.



These abuses are systematic, widespread and institutionalized. The "Everybody makes mistakes" defense here rings kind of hollow.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAR 11, 2008 12:36 PM

Reaver said:
If you believe what this lawyer claims he was told by the guy.

Which I don't.



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vermicious_knid

vermicious_knid

Shreveport, LA
February 2008

MAR 11, 2008 12:39 PM

Colinism said:

vermicious_knid said:

Colinism said:
Yes we should be better, we should act better, we should know better, however we are just as human as the enemy we fight and thus are no better, no smarter, nor more enlightened, and therefor we are just as prone to commit the same heinous acts as those that we condemn our enemy for committing.


Which is why we have a Constitution and legal system, as well as signing into treaties like Geneva, to act as a bulwark against those impulses ... and it is why the suicidebelt islamopeople have not.

That is your difference.

Basically conceding to those impulses, declaring torture is not torture, saying people who do it will be protected from being prosecuted themselves, etc.... is the mark of a society in decay.

It is not that fucking tough to conduct dignified warfare. We fought the Japanese who were kamikaziing our naval craft, enslaving and beheading POWs with samurai swords - we didn't build international torture camps and use them as urine mops.

The only thing that changed is the morality of the people and their appetite for passively witnessing their government use extreme force and techniques.



No we only rounded up 100,000+ japanese who were american citicens and interred them in prison camps for the duration of the war. Also the Japanese would kill themselves rather than submit to being captured so there really is no telling what we would have done.


We didn't build international torture camps and use their captured as urine mops.

Uncognitive

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY
May 2003

MAR 11, 2008 12:39 PM

Reaver said:
If you believe what this lawyer claims he was told by the guy.

Which I don't.



But of course you think the military should investigate accusations of human rights abuses by U.S. soldiers rather than just ignore them, right?

vermicious_knid

vermicious_knid

Shreveport, LA
February 2008

MAR 11, 2008 12:39 PM

Reaver said:
If you believe what this lawyer claims he was told by the guy.

Which I don't.


That is why we have trials to determine that.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

MAR 11, 2008 12:41 PM

smithers_jones said:

Colinism said:

You brought up a good point that is little more than propaganda, not on purpose mind you. The whole idea that as soon as we stoop to the enemies level they have won means nothing. It wrongly implies that one of the enemies goals is to somehow make us commit heinous acts, their goal is to win plain and simple as ours should be. As I stated before and should have added to my original post. all of this is basic human nature, we can pretend all we want that we are enlightened beings filled with good but history has shown us time and time again that we are capable of the worst atrocities and all it takes for us to commit them is the most basic pretense that the enemy is somehow inferior to us in some way. Yes we should be better, we should act better, we should know better, however we are just as human as the enemy we fight and thus are no better, no smarter, nor more enlightened, and therefor we are just as prone to commit the same heinous acts as those that we condemn our enemy for committing.



These abuses are systematic, widespread and institutionalized. The "Everybody makes mistakes" defense here rings kind of hollow.



Which has been my point all along.

abracadabra

abracadabra

Seattle, WA
April 2004

MAR 11, 2008 12:51 PM

Support our troops!!!

WrockinWrooster

WrockinWrooster

USA
March 2006

MAR 11, 2008 12:52 PM

To be sure... Our guys and gals who wind up in the hands of islamic fundamentalists can expect treatment just as bad or worse than we give them. However, WE HAVE NO BUSINESS DOING THIS SHIT TO OUR OWN PEOPLE. These motherfuckers have been practicing on our fellow Americans.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

MAR 11, 2008 01:16 PM

vermicious_knid said:

Colinism said:

vermicious_knid said:

Colinism said:
Yes we should be better, we should act better, we should know better, however we are just as human as the enemy we fight and thus are no better, no smarter, nor more enlightened, and therefor we are just as prone to commit the same heinous acts as those that we condemn our enemy for committing.


Which is why we have a Constitution and legal system, as well as signing into treaties like Geneva, to act as a bulwark against those impulses ... and it is why the suicidebelt islamopeople have not.

That is your difference.

Basically conceding to those impulses, declaring torture is not torture, saying people who do it will be protected from being prosecuted themselves, etc.... is the mark of a society in decay.

It is not that fucking tough to conduct dignified warfare. We fought the Japanese who were kamikaziing our naval craft, enslaving and beheading POWs with samurai swords - we didn't build international torture camps and use them as urine mops.

The only thing that changed is the morality of the people and their appetite for passively witnessing their government use extreme force and techniques.



No we only rounded up 100,000+ japanese who were american citicens and interred them in prison camps for the duration of the war. Also the Japanese would kill themselves rather than submit to being captured so there really is no telling what we would have done.


We didn't build international torture camps and use their captured as urine mops.



Only because we did not need to do so, but considering the propaganda of the time there should be no doubt in your mind that we would have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Japanese_sentiment

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAR 11, 2008 01:20 PM

WrockinWrooster said:
None of this should come as a surprise to anyone. While in prison in New Jersey, USA I was given a potent very long lasting hallucinogen which I suspect was BZ or rather some new shit which they wished to test. BZ is nasty stuff that we have about a million tons of laying around in various forms. . I was drugged other times and subjected to both psychological and physical torture. Following all of this the guards attempted to assasinate me while in a van being driven from one facility to another. A blanket was thrown over my head and then a very large african american guard began strangling me and beating the shit out of me whilst I was hancuffed behind my back and with my feet in leg irons. The guard who was driving the van pulled over and came in the back and both of them began trying to beat me to death and strangle me. After some time they realized that this was unsuccessful as I was I think to agile for them to and they were unable to completely choke me out. After a very long time of this the van was pulled over on Bloomfield Avenue and they pulled me out of the van took the blanket off my head and then sprayed almost an entire can of mace down my throat. When I got to the next "facility" the treatment continued and I was given something that the guards call "the stations of the cross" the conclusion of which is ALWAYS the prisoners death. Its been done more than once hence the name and an established procedure. It is only by the grace of God that I survived. As a direct result of my survival I was charged with aggravated assault on an officer and attempted escape in order to cover up their grotesque anti-liberty anti-american misdeeds. If anyone is wondering I was in jail on a drug charge and hadnt been in a fight since elementary school. Remember. This kind of shit happens EVERY time the republicans come to town.



So, you followed up this insane story, with this PM to me:


Reaper,

Far be it from me to tell you how to write. But do you think you could have made your point with maybe 3 or 4 sets of hahas instead of an entire column length? You are obviously a complete jackass. Stick a buttplug in it.

Wrooster



And you expect me to see you as anything less than insane?

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

MAR 11, 2008 01:22 PM

attn_ho said:

UpTight said:
Only libs take the side of the enemy



dont take sides. reject evil, in all its forms.



Don't take sides?

Well one side here is America.

America which has selflessly fought for freedom across the world, saved my race from extinction and my country from obliteration, given billions of dollars in aid to poorer countries, given this this planet production automobiles, commercial airlines, sophisticated telecommunications, found cures for many diseases, invented the Internet and - above all else - given us The Velvet Underground

The other side here is the Taliban, that insisted women be dressed like blue Darth Vaders, who punished people who got their beards trimmed and peple who laughed in public by beating the soles of their feet in a big soccer stadium, who chopped off the hands and feet of petty criminals, who used barbaric forms of capital punishment for trivial sexual or religious offenses and who banned music (including the Velvet underground).

Hmmm tricky, but in the end I support America. I'm not even fucking American and I'm prouder of the country than many of its citizens.

"Reject evil in all its forms"? Sorry, it's a fucking war zone. A war declared against us by Jihadists. There are a myriad of factors to blame for this situation before you should even think of blaming US troops for being violent in a war zone.

Of course, the military could employ community outreach officers to interview all enemy combatants during a conflict. That way they could know whether the approaching Jihadist in that funny belt was a deranged suicide bomber or just someone who had a difficult childhood. Okay, the military might lose a few outreach officers in the process, but at least they could fight the war against the Taliban with a clean social conscience.

Perhaps the soldiers could fire fluffy bullets that merely stun. That way the poor Jihadists (surely the real victims here) could be rehabilitated into the community - maybe given theater grants to express their angst in non-violent ways.

Give me a break.

Wanna blame something? Blame the authorities that are too shit scared to clamp down on radical Islamism, lest they upset the ACLU and get accused of Islamophobia. Blame those that campaigned against surveillance of phonecalls from overseas Jihadists.

Wanna feel sorry for someone? Feel sorry for all those hurt by Jihadist scumfucks.

Wanna piss and moan about the occasional, probably unavoidable shortcomings of America? Fine - but don't be angry if people question your loyalties and values.

We're at war with the most evil enemy since Hitler. Don't expect an ounce of sympathy for the enemy from me.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

MAR 11, 2008 01:23 PM

BlastProcessing said:

UpTight said:
Only libs take the side of the enemy during times of war. Blame America before you blame the death cult that makes people terrorists. Feel sympathy for the Taliban - find a way to blame America for them. As for this kid - well seen it all before and I don't trust liberal media on these things. Remember Mohammed Al Dura.

Even if it's true - so what?

DFKDFC.

He joined the enemy. Case closed.



Weren't you leaving?



yes - until SG gave me a year's free membership



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code_red

code_red

Portland, OR
July 2005

MAR 11, 2008 01:25 PM

this entire thing is the result of poor oversight from everyone in the Government. I did my time in the military working at a iraqi prison and I can tell you straight up that not all service members are evil bastards who wish to torture people, but their are some messed up people and the lack of oversight just makes these types of atrocities possible.

Oh yea, and the whole "breaking international law while existing through double standards" thing also helps.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

MAR 11, 2008 01:35 PM

attn_ho said:

BlastProcessing said:

Weren't you leaving?


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