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Hillary Goes Pathetic

TUESDAY FEBRUARY 19 2008 6:00 AM

Submitted by FearTheReaper. Edited By erin_broadley.

TAGS: Obama, Hillary, Rezko, Democrats, Election 08

When candidates get desperate, they often go negative. Some go for the jugular and go dirty, while others apparently attempt to go negative and just end up looking pathetic. Hillary Clinton is running one of the saddest campaigns in recent memory. And by recent memory, I mean Rudy Giuliani.

For the first time in the race, Hillary has found herself on the back end of some serious ass kickings. Obama has rolled off eight, straight primary wins and looks to add to that total tonight, with Wisconsin and Hawaii. Hillary has adopted the Rudy template for failure by basically giving up those states and hoping for big victories in Texas and Ohio in March. At the same time, she is trying to go dirty on Obama and it’s fucking sad – oh, and if successful, it will tear the party apart.

The most distasteful aspect of the Clinton campaign is the “win at all costs” attitude. It’s great in a general election, but in a primary you just end up turning off millions of people you will need to vote for you in November. Examples of Clinton stupidity abound.

Yesterday, the co-chairman of Hillary’s Michigan campaign told Democrats in red states that they are completely useless.


"Superdelegates are not second-class delegates," says Joel Ferguson, who will be a superdelegate if Michigan is seated. "The real second-class delegates are the delegates that are picked in red-state caucuses that are never going to vote Democratic."


“Oh. Thanks. That is very nice of you,” says HALF the country. And for those of you thinking it was just a guy in Michigan slipping up, I give you the man running the Clinton campaign.


“Could we possibly have a nominee who hasn't won any of the significant states -- outside of Illinois?” Chief Strategist Mark Penn said. “That raises some serious questions about Sen. Obama.”


Yes, it does. I mean, what kind of an asshole is popular in red states? What you want is someone who isn’t popular in red states, that way you can be sure to only win in blue states, like Kerry and Gore.

And while were on the subject of superdelegates, know that the Clinton campaign is listening to all the Democratic voters and party members who are concerned the situation could destroy party unity at the convention. The popular wisdom says that whoever wins the popular vote, should receive the majority of superdelagate votes, so voters don’t feel disenfranchised. Of course, the Hillary people could give a shit.


"We don't make distinctions between delegates chosen by million of voters in a primary and those chosen between tens of thousands in caucuses,'' Wolfson said. "And we don't make distinctions when it comes to elected officials'' who vote as superdelegates at the convention.

"We are interested in acquiring delegates, period,'' he added.


Oh, good. Thanks for putting to rest everyone’s fear that the candidate would be chosen by a bunch of party insiders in a smoke filled room and disenfranchise voters, you stupid assholes. What’s that? There is something worse that you can do to tear the party down the middle?


Senior strategist Mark Penn also indicated that the Clinton campaign would press the issue of seating pro-Clinton delegates from Florida and Michigan, where she won unauthorized primaries conducted after the national party barred the states from holding contests before Feb. 5 and after other major candidates agreed not to compete.


Right. The Michigan delegates should totally be counted, because not only was Obama not on the ballot, but also voters were not allowed to write in his name. Oh, and never mind that Hillary agreed that the votes would not count before primary season began. That’s just her word, why would we believe that?

Even Clinton supporters, people working hard on her behalf, are getting pissed off about the tactics.


"You don’t change the rules in the middle of the game. Period,” said former Nebraska Senator Bob Kerrey, when asked if the delegates from the Florida and Michigan primaries should be represented at the Democratic National Convention. “No new vote and no new caucuses, either. Just stick to the rules that they agreed to,” Kerrey said firmly.


She’s never going to listen, Bob. I mean, it's her fucking throne, not Obama's. And she is pulling out all the stops, calling for her friends to start a swiftboat campaign against Obama. Hillary’s people are reaching out to her rich supporters to make their own ads.


Some of Sen. Clinton's top fund-raisers, who have "maxed out" at the individual limit of $2,300 and have tapped out their personal network of donors, are consulting with lawyers about how they can create "independent" groups that can spend unlimited money in support of her campaign.

Susie Tompkins Buell, founder of the Esprit clothing company, was weighing whether to start her own entity for buying ads to promote Clinton or to put money into an existing pro-Clinton organization, like the feminist political organization Emily's List which has already spent about $1 million on Clinton's behalf.


Oh, good, that always ends well. Many of these supporters believe Obama is too big of a pussy for the job and are impressed with Hillary’s fightin’ attitude.


Some Democrats, who have e-mailed me, praise the ruthlessness of the Clinton political machine, arguing that only a readiness to throw sharp elbows can defeat the Republicans this fall. These Democrats hate what they call Barack Obama's "Kumbayah" message of national reconciliation, a reference to the campfire song based on an old African spiritual.


And while you’re at it, why don’t you reach out to some neo-cons for some help, Hillary?


Mr. Mantz held a quick meeting in a hotel lobby in Washington with donors, some of whom are involved in the pro-Israel lobby AIPAC and were in town for other business.


Yes, AIPAC. Just a lovely group of people who did everything they could to make sure the Iraq War happened. Pick a neo-con strategy in the Middle East and you can be sure AIPAC is doing what they can to make it happen. And now, they are giving money to the campaign of Hillary Clinton. Good news.

The heat is also rising on Obama’s dealings with a shady Chicago businessman named Tony Rezko. Hillary has been trying trying to get this scandal on the front page, with little success.


"We still don't have answers about Senator Obama and his dealings with Mr. Rezko," Clinton also said last week.


I have gotten a few emails from Clinton supporters about the Rezko land deal and it’s been popping up on pro-Clinton blogs and message boards. Sadly for them, this scandal appears to be nothing. It was investigated and there was no crime. Yesterday, the people who sold the home to Obama were finally interviewed.


The couple who sold Barack Obama his Chicago home said the Illinois senator's $1.65 million bid "was the best offer'' and they didn't cut their asking price because a campaign donor bought their adjacent land, according to e-mails between Obama's presidential campaign and the seller.


But, I’m sure that’s not the last we’ve heard of that deal. Clinton will keep it alive and well, because having been on the other side of the bullshit Whitewater scandal, she is able to take the low moral ground and try to put a fellow Democrat through the same horseshit. Classy lady.

Another good way to forever alienate the supporters of your Democratic opponent – people you will need to vote for you in November – is to label them a cult. The Clinton machine started in on this two weeks ago.


Democrats fear that the Clintons are putting their personal ambitions ahead of what's good for the Party and the country, that they are ready to dirty up Sen. Obama with attack ads and dismiss his millions of supporters as -- what one key Clinton backer called -- "a cult of personality."


Let's see, how would this work?


You're all in a cult!


No, we're not. We just really like this guy.


I win. Nevermind. Vote for me!


Good luck with that, dipshit.

So, what’s left? How about charging Obama with plagiarism?


Howard Wolfson, the Clinton campaign's communications director, today accused Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) of committing “plagiarism” in a speech in Milwaukee on Saturday night.

On the call, Wolfson said: “Sen. Obama is running on the strength of his rhetoric and the strength of his promises and, as we have seen in the last couple of days, he’s breaking his promises and his rhetoric isn’t his own.”

"When an author plagiarizes from another author there is damage done to two different parties. One is to the person he plagiarized from. The other is to the reader," said Wolfson.





Oooo. But what if the person who was plagiarized says it didn’t happen? Hillary’s campaign was accusing Obama of stealing a speech from Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick. Unfortunately for Clinton, Patrick and Obama are old allies who often share talking points.


Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer, when Mrs. Clinton was raising questions about Mr. Obama’s experience, and that they discussed them again last week.

Both men had anticipated that Mr. Obama’s rhetorical strength would provide a point of criticism. Mr. Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.

Mr. Patrick said he did not believe Mr. Obama should give him credit.


Huh. Maybe before accusing someone of wrongdoing, you should check with the alleged victim to see whether or not you are going to look like an asshole. Also, check to see whether or not you are a pot calling a kettle black.


I asked Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson and Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass, if they could assure the public that neither Clinton nor McGovern has ever done what Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, did when he used the rhetoric of Gov. Deval Patrick without footnoting him.

They would not.


Oh, probably because Hillary has taken Obama’s campaign slogan and used it in a speech.



Could this woman get any more pathetic? I submit she could not. But, maybe her daughter could.


“Has your mother shown any remorse for the fact that her vote cost Iraqis a million of their lives?” a student asked Chelsea Clinton on Monday at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

Ms. Clinton replied: “She cast a vote based on the best available evidence. Perhaps you had clairvoyance then, and that’s extraordinary.”


Holy fucking shit. Shut your mouth, you stupid asshole. I’m not clairvoyant, but I knew the Iraq War would be a disaster. You know why? Because I know how to read books. They are these things that have lots of ideas and words in them about stuff like tribes, religions and societies. Some people have actually written a few about Iraq. Crazy huh? Oh, and maybe Hillary should have actually read the National Intelligence Estimate about Iraq before voting for the fucking war.


Clinton did not read the 90-page, classified National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, according to "Her Way: The Hopes and Ambitions of Hillary Rodham Clinton."

For members of Congress to read the report, they had to go to a secure location on Capitol Hill. The Washington Post reported in 2004 that no more than six senators and a handful of House members were logged as reading the document.


Shut your pie hole, Chelsea. If you’re going to be pimped out, don’t embarrass the pimp.

This is pretty simple: The Democrats have about a month to get rid of Hillary Clinton, or they are never going to win in ’08.

 

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LostLucy

LostLucy

USA
December 2006

FEB 19, 2008 02:03 PM

Ferretbite said:
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Not desperate.



I'm a mandated child abuse reporter, and I'm calling this one in~!

puke EL SUICIDO LOCO

scylis

scylis

Seattle, WA
November 2004

FEB 19, 2008 02:09 PM

mingol said:

we3_pirate said:
It's starting to become more convoluted than Dungeons and Dragons Rifts.


Fixed.



Rifts is simple, honestly. have the latest book, and you'll be full of WIN.

unless you're talking about character creation... *shudder*

the person i car pool with actually enjoys making Rifts and Phase World characters, i shit you not.

MisterEnrolled

MisterEnrolled

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

FEB 19, 2008 02:20 PM

Ferretbite said:
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Not desperate.



What kills me is that all those yuppies in the back are just eating it all right the fuck up.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

FEB 19, 2008 02:27 PM

Obama releases list of language Clinton has lifted from Obama.

What a stupid move on Clinton's part.

LostLucy

LostLucy

USA
December 2006

FEB 19, 2008 02:30 PM

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

FEB 19, 2008 02:31 PM

AceT said:
Cult of Personality should totally be Obama's campaign song.



Cult of Personality should be everyone's theme song.

/Living Colour 4 Lyfe!

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

FEB 19, 2008 02:35 PM

Saraah said:
Oh for fuck's sake - I think what Chelsea responded was fantastic. The most irritating thing to me about the people who are reaming Clinton for her vote is that half the dems who were against the Iraq war are AGAINST ALL WARS.

Sorry, you don't get a pat on the back for your prescience if you would have had the exact same stance regardless of the facts at hand. FTR & others may be the exception, and have been well-read, informed, and knowledgeable, but if I have to hear one more uninformed, avowed pacifist claim an "I Told You So!!!!"


*SIGH* I think the point here is whether someone is a quaking pacifist or a blood-thirsty hawk. The point is that due diligence wasn't completed by almost everyone, including Hillary. For such a major decision as going to war, lawmakers didn't take the time or make the effort to fully inform themselves on this critical decision.

"Prescience" that the war would go bad wasn't the only reason to vote against military action in Iraq. First, it was a preemptive action, we were not under attack, nor under threat from Iraq. Unprovoked, lawmakers voted to attack Iraq despite. Second, claiming that the bad intelligence mislead them into voting for the war is a convenient fact, however along without considering the outcome of military action, no one thought to check the accuracy of the intelligence they were being spoon-fed until it was too late. Third, they were wrong. People should have to answer as much for their actions as their inaction. That Hillary and others voted for war without considering the validity of their actions or the outcome is frustrating, but not broaching an apology for the errors they have admitted to is unforgivable. I'm not going to speculate whether her decision weighs upon her conscience, but without revealing that she has one, I simply cannot trust her.

Sorry, you don't get a pat on the back regarding the facts on hand. Regarding being informed, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know Iraq was a bad idea. A rudimentary understanding of ethnic and religious differences would reveal that in a power vacuum they would each strive to protect themselves by assuming power and defending it. Add to that the predictably inflammatory anti-Western response within the Mid-East and you've got a recipe for disaster. This is precisely the reason why the US chose not to depose Saddam Hussein in the first Gulf War.

phrogg

phrogg

Greenville, SC
August 2005

FEB 19, 2008 02:37 PM

FearTheReaper said:
Obama releases list of language Clinton has lifted from Obama.

What a stupid move on Clinton's part.



The kid is good! Very good!

phrogg

phrogg

Greenville, SC
August 2005

FEB 19, 2008 02:42 PM

FellOnEarth said:

Saraah said:
Oh for fuck's sake - I think what Chelsea responded was fantastic. The most irritating thing to me about the people who are reaming Clinton for her vote is that half the dems who were against the Iraq war are AGAINST ALL WARS.

Sorry, you don't get a pat on the back for your prescience if you would have had the exact same stance regardless of the facts at hand. FTR & others may be the exception, and have been well-read, informed, and knowledgeable, but if I have to hear one more uninformed, avowed pacifist claim an "I Told You So!!!!"


*SIGH* I think the point here is whether someone is a quaking pacifist or a blood-thirsty hawk. The point is that due diligence wasn't completed by almost everyone, including Hillary. For such a major decision as going to war, lawmakers didn't take the time or make the effort to fully inform themselves on this critical decision.

"Prescience" that the war would go bad wasn't the only reason to vote against military action in Iraq. First, it was a preemptive action, we were not under attack, nor under threat from Iraq. Unprovoked, lawmakers voted to attack Iraq despite. Second, claiming that the bad intelligence mislead them into voting for the war is a convenient fact, however along without considering the outcome of military action, no one thought to check the accuracy of the intelligence they were being spoon-fed until it was too late. Third, they were wrong. People should have to answer as much for their actions as their inaction. That Hillary and others voted for war without considering the validity of their actions or the outcome is frustrating, but not broaching an apology for the errors they have admitted to is unforgivable. I'm not going to speculate whether her decision weighs upon her conscience, but without revealing that she has one, I simply cannot trust her.

Sorry, you don't get a pat on the back regarding the facts on hand. Regarding being informed, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know Iraq was a bad idea. A rudimentary understanding of ethnic and religious differences would reveal that in a power vacuum they would each strive to protect themselves by assuming power and defending it. Add to that the predictably inflammatory anti-Western response within the Mid-East and you've got a recipe for disaster. This is precisely the reason why the US chose not to depose Saddam Hussein in the first Gulf War.



Abso-fucking-lutely! Since 2003 I have been amazed that regular Joe's like you and me, from Temecula and Greenville, so easily saw through the bullshit, while those inside the Beltway could be so (willfully??) ignorant.

Cash

Cash

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

FEB 19, 2008 02:43 PM

Ferretbite said:
zoom image

Not desperate.



PLEASE tell me the followng happened...in sequence. The band played La Cucaracha, the did does the Mexican Hat Dance....then storms off the stage in a cloud of dust while exclaiming "Andale! Andale! Arriba! Arriba!!!"

Saraah

Saraah

Los Angeles, CA
March 2007

FEB 19, 2008 02:43 PM

Cash said:

Saraah said:
Obama has gotten such a well-lubed, drama-free, rock star entrance into the public consciousness, I am really curious what will happen when/if he wins the nom and the dogs are set loose on him....



You say that like it's somebody's fault. Like they're soft-balling him.

Hillary's baggage comes with the territory. You don't think if there WAS something terrible to say about Obama that they wouldn't be saying it now...instead of taking half-assed hip-shots?



I'm talking about the Republicans. They've been talking shit on Hillary since before she was even an officeholder of any kind. Their spawn have been weaned on that rhetoric since the early 90s. Right-wing media is focusing the vast, VAST majority of their shit-talking on Hillary. When she is out of the picture, and they have to focus on their man vs. Obama...Yes, I think there are things that aren't being said now that will be said running up to a general election. Absolutely. I would bet on it.

There are so many disillusioned Republicans and wishy-washy independents who are swinging Obama's way because he speaks well and the only things they ever hear about Hillary are bad jokes and shit-talking. You don't think when the right-wing machine turns its sights on the official Democrat nominee (if its Obama) that there will be plenty of people swinging back? I think it's a given.

gdarklighter said:

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Saraah said:
Oh for fuck's sake - I think what Chelsea responded was fantastic. The most irritating thing to me about the people who are reaming Clinton for her vote is that half the dems who were against the Iraq war are AGAINST ALL WARS.

Sorry, you don't get a pat on the back for your prescience if you would have had the exact same stance regardless of the facts at hand. FTR & others may be the exception, and have been well-read, informed, and knowledgeable, but if I have to hear one more uninformed, avowed pacifist claim an "I Told You So!!!!" on this specific issue, I am going to punch them in the face. Bonus: they won't hit me back!

That said, I *am* disappointed by the way the Clinton campaign is going, but I still don't believe the spin that claims that they are running an "at any cost" campaign. Sorry. Its gotten negative, but nowhere NEAR as bad as they could make it. Obama has gotten such a well-lubed, drama-free, rock star entrance into the public consciousness, I am really curious what will happen when/if he wins the nom and the dogs are set loose on him....



This isn't about every anti-war Democrat. This is about Obama, who has very publicly stated that he isn't opposed to all war, but he is opposed to the Iraq war. Would you like to read it for yourself?



Actually, it was about the 19-year old college student who asked Chelsea if her mother had any remorse over "...cost[ing] Iraqis a million of their lives?". I would bet dollars to donuts (and I fucking LOVE donuts) that that student couldn't even place Iraq on a goddamn map. It was an idiotic question, and I liked Chelsea's response. That's my point.

And as for Obama's war stance, I continue to be awed (shocked and awed, even) at the number of his SUPPORTERS who don't have any idea that he didn't actually have a chance to vote, since he wasn't yet in office. They know what they hear. They repeat what they hear. "Obama was against the Iraq war!". Yeah, so was my mom. She wasn't in the Senate in 2002 either.

(I'm not anti-Obama. I'm really not. In fact, I will vote for him if he is the nominee. But some of his supporters give Paultards a run for their money)

LostLucy

LostLucy

USA
December 2006

FEB 19, 2008 02:50 PM

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

FEB 19, 2008 02:50 PM

Saraah said:
Actually, it was about the 19-year old college student who asked Chelsea if her mother had any remorse over "...cost[ing] Iraqis a million of their lives?". I would bet dollars to donuts (and I fucking LOVE donuts) that that student couldn't even place Iraq on a goddamn map. It was an idiotic question, and I liked Chelsea's response. That's my point.



Chelsea's response was aggressively ignorant of reality.

And you have a vagina.

DexterMorgan

DexterMorgan

Miami, FL
January 2008

FEB 19, 2008 02:56 PM

Subrosa said:
Cult of Personality should be everyone's theme song.
/Living Colour 4 Lyfe!



If Obama wasn't running, I'd have written-in, Vernon Reid.

Dude can shred.

smile

ZPO

ZPO

Olympia, WA
July 2004

FEB 19, 2008 02:56 PM

When wasn't Hillary pathetic?

How about a Jenna Bush vs. Chelsea Clinton steel cage match on pay-per-view? Winner takes all the PPV proceeds.

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