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Sorry: A Tale of Two Systems

WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 13 2008 3:00 PM

Submitted by TheFuckOffKid. Edited By TheFuckOffKid.

TAGS: Sorry, politics, elections, stolen generations

Like a lot of non-Americans (and quite a few Americans, I suspect), I’ve been paying closer attention to the whole Primary thing you’ve got going, where candidates fight with each other to be voted for so they can be voted for again later this year. It’s rare to see both parties having such open primary battles (no sitting Presidents or Veeps being in the running), and also rare to see such a close battle between two contenders as there is between Obama and Clinton. I don’t remember when people were so wrapped up in the primary battles, even when the elections felt like significant events with a lot at stake.

Interestingly, there have been two Western countries that have recently had once-popular conservative leaders who’ve become seriously on the nose with their constituencies. One is George Bush in the United States, and the other was John Howard in Australia. The political reconfiguring of both countries makes an interesting compare-and-contrast.

To do this, let’s start with a premise – that functioning democratic political systems are, in effect, mechanisms for handling disagreements.

Basically, since people in large numbers will never agree on all the important things, you need a process that cuts through and forces a compromise. A key way to do this is to have a means by which coalitions are created. Coalitions involve groups of (somewhat) likeminded people joining with other groups of people and finding compromises somehow.

In a parliamentary system like Australia’s, with two major parties (groups of somewhat likeminded people), you get most of the coalitioning going on behind closed doors, in the party room. There are shit-fights in Cabinet and between party factions, to decide on policies and on legislative proposals, but in front of the cameras, and in the parliament, party unity is paramount. When times are tough, the press looks for signs that party unity is fraying.

In a many-party parliamentary system, the coalitions form more publicly and they may be subject to short term volatility – another election cycle, another coalitional arrangement. This typically means that one party cannot form a majority and so must seek partners in a coalition large enough to utilize the appropriate decision-making mechanism (such as a majority vote on legislation).

In the US, coalitioning goes on all the time, out in full view – every time a Bill is before Congress, more or less. Party unity isn’t the imperative here. Congresspersons and Senators have visible voting records.

What’s also going on in full view is the election of the anointed leader. In parliamentary systems like mine, the elected representatives elect the party leader behind closed doors, and they are the one who lead their team into electoral battle. In the US, voters vote (in essence) for who they want to vote for later on.

Here’s a speculation. (I’m not championing any system over any other one, I’m just highlighting differences and their implications.) In Australia, John Howard (conservative Prime Minister and friend and ally of Bush The Younger) spent over a decade as the most powerful man in Australian politics. The opposition Labor Party threw everything it had at him, which in practice meant whatever new leader it thought could beat him in an election. In one battle after another, Howard prevailed, and the Labor Party looked forlorn and weakened. Howard, a smart, uncharismatic, practical man and clever politician, exploited national security fears while (with the considerable assistance of the Reserve Bank and a China-driven resources boom) keeping the economy ticking over healthily. While there was some sense of disquiet over some of his actions, including his rush to join the Coalition of the Willing which was not uncontroversial, and some amount of fuss was made about it, which led to one-time Labor leader Mark Latham taking the political risk of making an electoral promise to bring the Aussie troops home, it seemed like the voters in middle Australia were at least willing to tolerate this as long as the economy boomed and their house prices stayed high.

Then the Labor Party elected Kevin Rudd as leader. And around then Australians started to disengage from their disengagement strategies. The issue of David Hicks (see here, and here, and here for snippets of the Hicks story) began to seem like it mattered to average Australians.

And the polls went up for Rudd, and went down for Howard. And they stayed that way. The incumbent government became nervous and speculation of a leadership challenge was a regular feature of media discussion. And then, with Howard holding on to the party leadership by his teeth, in the November 2007 election, Howard’s government was
wiped off the map. In a final indignity, Howard even lost his own seat of Bennelong.

By contrast, in the US, we see continuing low support for the incumbent president, but who can say what that will mean a year from now. There’s no dirty-but-quick resolution behind closed doors to decide who will represent the Democrats to go in and lead a nation crying for that magical word “change”. One fear is that the public process of nominating a candidate for the Democrats will yet again go horribly wrong. Obama’s momentum is building, and polls suggest he is the best electoral bet against McCain, almost certainly the Republicans’ nomination. Maybe the Dems will sort themselves out despite everything.

But it’s instructive to see what momentum can bring when it’s not impeded. This morning in Federal Parliament, Kevin Rudd offered a statement of apology to the aboriginal stolen generations. This was something that John Howard had stubbornly resisted and resisted, so much that when they played the Sydney Olympics in 2000, Midnight Oil donned “Sorry” outfits to make their own statement.


Now, it seems the time has come for change, as crowds cheer the speech. I stood in a lecture theatre full of hundreds as we listened to each word.

It will be interesting to see whether the time has come for the United States to deal with its own mood for change. Let’s catch up a year from now and see how things went.

 

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SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

FEB 13, 2008 03:52 PM

Fine article. Thanks.

formerviking

formerviking

Denver, PA
May 2006

FEB 13, 2008 04:15 PM

Excellent article . Always interesting to read how things are going in other parts of the globe .

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

FEB 13, 2008 04:34 PM

Australia is a nation founded by and now run by thieves and criminals and I'll have none of this parliament nonsense in my good christian home. If god wanted men to be led by other men it would be in the bible. wink

JK man good article

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

FEB 13, 2008 04:54 PM

Great article.

It's worth noting, as long as we're talking about change, the differences between Clinton's "change" and the change espoused by Obama. As Lawrence Lessig pointed out in his fantastic video "20 minutes or so about why I am 4Barack" (see video under the spoilers below), her notion of change is simply replacing the Bush administration with a Democratic administration. That's nice and all, but what Obama is pushing for is an open and transparent legislative process, an honest government, a respectable government, and a government unencumbered by back room deals with lobbyists, pork barrel spending, and devious excesses buried deep in unavoidable spending bills. He has already helped shepherd a landmark step toward open government through Congress, and has a clear and distinct plan for continuing this process. "Change" isn't just a buzzword.

Lawrence Lessig's "20 minutes or so on why I am 4Barack":

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

FEB 13, 2008 05:08 PM

I'll be watching that video when I get a chance.

It's been really interesting to watch the now opposition party embrace the politics of humility and "listening".

Under Howard, for a long time, strength and decisiveness were seen as two of the key attributes of his government (sound familiar?). Eventually that turns into a feeling of a government being arrogant and unwilling to listen or to compromise, which is what has happened.

New opposition leader Brendan Nelson's response to Rudd's speech was fascinating (as have been Nelson's antics in the weeks preceding it) -- Howard, and by extension his government, were so long opposed to an apology that Nelson has had to somehow embrace the apology now (which has considerable momentum) without totally repudiating his predecessor's hardline stand. He waffled all over the place while seeming to agree. In various crowds, people turned their backs.

Anyway, I'm rooting for Obama at this point, and it seems his momentum is surging now. Wowzers.

401kboy

401kboy

Woodbridge, NJ
May 2007

FEB 13, 2008 06:43 PM

Thanks for the nice article. I always find it interesting that while we in the US are constantly told how great our political system is, no other country in the world has seen fit to implement it. Hell, even when we had the chance to write a new consitution for another country (Iraq) we didn't give them ours.

ElizaTheTroll

ElizaTheTroll

Australia
January 2006

FEB 13, 2008 10:42 PM

401kboy said:
Thanks for the nice article. I always find it interesting that while we in the US are constantly told how great our political system is, no other country in the world has seen fit to implement it. Hell, even when we had the chance to write a new consitution for another country (Iraq) we didn't give them ours.



Well, I just don't think it's a "one size fits all" for constitutions. Each country has its peculiarities that need to be addressed. Also, one has to remember that the U.S. constitution was written at a time when means of transportation and communication were vastly different.

I'm not meaning to say that there were no problems with the U.S. system or that it wasn't a good idea to look at how it's done elsewhere. Just that even those things that do indeed work well do not necessarily work equally well in other parts of the world.

Oh, and thanks for the nice article, TFOK.

Clidna

Clidna

Emo, ON
January 2005

FEB 13, 2008 11:04 PM

Thanks for the article - I've been finding that I'm getting more and more interested in the differences between different countries political systems. Good job.

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

FEB 13, 2008 11:05 PM

I openly admit to being "that guy" who is almost blissfully ignorant of politics outside the U.S. ... and, to be honest, pretty damn ignorant to most of the stuff that goes on here.

This was a very informative and thought-provoking lesson in how things are handled down under and how it all relates to what we as Americans are facing.

Thank you for the tremendous article, sir.

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

FEB 13, 2008 11:13 PM

401kboy said:
Thanks for the nice article. I always find it interesting that while we in the US are constantly told how great our political system is, no other country in the world has seen fit to implement it. Hell, even when we had the chance to write a new consitution for another country (Iraq) we didn't give them ours.



our Constitution is also largely based on the religion that the forefathers believed in, i don't really think it would be easy to just change a few words and hand it over to Iraq.

Part of being Free is building a constitution that suits your nation.

I never really read into politics in Australia, the political system in the States gives me enough reading information to make me dizzy. It's definitely nice to know that we get a little bit more of a say in our political system than other countries. Thanks for the article!

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

FEB 14, 2008 03:32 AM

DevilsReject said:
I never really read into politics in Australia, the political system in the States gives me enough reading information to make me dizzy. It's definitely nice to know that we get a little bit more of a say in our political system than other countries. Thanks for the article!



You're welcome and thanks everyone for the kind words.

The US definitely involves its voters more directly at key stages. What's been going on recently has made me reflect on the consequences of that.

If you ever feel like reading a bit more, start with the Westminster System. That's pretty much where we stole our ideas from.

Toku666

Toku666

Columbus, OH
May 2004

FEB 14, 2008 05:56 AM

DevilsReject said:

401kboy said:
Thanks for the nice article. I always find it interesting that while we in the US are constantly told how great our political system is, no other country in the world has seen fit to implement it. Hell, even when we had the chance to write a new consitution for another country (Iraq) we didn't give them ours.



our Constitution is also largely based on the religion that the forefathers believed in, i don't really think it would be easy to just change a few words and hand it over to Iraq.



The only thing our Constitution could be said to be "largely" based upon is Enlightenment principles. That, in fact, makes it more arguably antithetical to the purported Middle Eastern mindset that this discussion always brings up.

Once again, it seems like it needs pointed out that maybe certain groups of people would be more amenable to western democracy if all the western democratic countries weren't so busy bombing those certain groups back to the stone age every nine or ten years.

PlatyPuz

PlatyPuz

Australia
March 2005

FEB 14, 2008 03:32 PM

Thanks TFOK,a well written and informative article, it has been an interesting week watching Brendan Nelson comes to terms with being the new Opposition Leader and being on the 'other side' in Parliment.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

FEB 14, 2008 03:52 PM

PlatyPuz said:
Thanks TFOK,a well written and informative article, it has been an interesting week watching Brendan Nelson comes to terms with being the new Opposition Leader and being on the 'other side' in Parliment.



Indeed. The Heat Is On. Heh.

Toku666 said:
The only thing our Constitution could be said to be "largely" based upon is Enlightenment principles.



I'm glad someone other than me raised this point. wink

IronOrchid

IronOrchid

Australia
February 2007

FEB 15, 2008 04:16 PM

I was looking in Current Events to see if anyone had mentioned Rudd's apology... and eventually I found this post.

Good entry.

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