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Yes, you. I think you are fucking disgusting. Wait, I take that back. I only think you're disgusting if you are an American citizen; you Brits and Scots can rest easy. Now, you may be wondering why it took me so long to realize that you are lazy, filthy, awful creatures. Turns out I didn’t know so many of you were okay with gang rape.

Last month a woman came forward to reveal she had been gang raped while working for Halliburton/KBR in Iraq. I cannot fathom the strength it would take to tell the nation you were gang raped by fellow employees of a company working under a government contract.


Jamie Leigh Jones, now 22, says that after she was raped by multiple men at a KBR camp in the Green Zone, the company put her under guard in a shipping container with a bed and warned her that if she left Iraq for medical treatment, she'd be out of a job.

"Don't plan on working back in Iraq. There won't be a position here, and there won't be a position in Houston," Jones says she was told.


I guess we can be happy they didn’t kill her; because that is the only thing worse I can think of in this situation. The story is truly horrifying and it sounds like they may have actually planned on killing her, but she managed to call her FATHER.


Jones says she was held in the shipping container for at least 24 hours without food or water by KBR, which posted armed security guards outside her door, who would not let her leave. Jones described the container as sparely furnished with a bed, table and lamp.


Yeah, I’m sure they were just keeping her in that container until she calmed down from the gang rape. No way they were discussing killing her. Jones managed to convince a sympathetic guard to give her a cell phone, which she used to call her father.


I said, 'Dad, I've been raped. I don't know what to do. I'm in this container, and I'm not able to leave.'


Just the kind of call a father wants to receive. Dad called his local Congressmen, who called the State Department, who then sent agents from the US Embassy to the base, where they freed Jones from the container. Army doctors examined Jones and determined she had been raped "both vaginally and anally." Then they gave the rape kit to Halliburton/KBR security officers, who made sure it disappeared.

That was two years ago. During those two years it became apparent our State Department and Justice Department are not going to do anything about a young woman being gang raped by other Americans while working in Iraq.


Over two years later, the Justice Department has brought no criminal charges in the matter. In fact, ABC News could not confirm any federal agency was investigating the case.


Why? Because private contractors operate outside of the law in Iraq. Apparently, they can rape at will, without expectations of any punishment. Without any criminal prosecution forthcoming, Jones sued Halliburton/KBR in civil court. But that might also be a problem.


KBR has moved for Jones' claim to be heard in private arbitration, instead of a public courtroom. It says her employment contract requires it.

In arbitration, there is no public record nor transcript of the proceedings, meaning that Jones' claims would not be heard before a judge and jury. Rather, a private arbitrator would decide Jones' case. In recent testimony before Congress, employment lawyer Cathy Ventrell-Monsees said that Halliburton won more than 80 percent of arbitration proceedings brought against it.


Politicians, like Hillary Clinton, then demanded hearings and asked why there was no justice for this woman. Of course, through all their blustering, our lawmakers failed to mention that they are partially at fault. Congress left these giant private contractor legal loopholes open. Congress has not created proper oversight in regards to Iraq, and that created the environment that led to a woman being gang raped by her fellow employees.

The press dug up more instances of overseas rape, which the Justice Department ignored.


The Department of Justice declined to prosecute a State Department employee who allegedly sexually assaulted a female Halliburton/KBR worker in Iraq, despite a recommendation from the State Department that he be charged


Then Congress had a hearing on December 19th, but the Justice Department decided to take a pass and refused to send a representative to answer questions.


I'm embarrassed that the Department of Justice can't even come forward," said the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee John Conyers, D-Mich.

“This is an absolute disgrace. The least we could do is have people from the Department of Justice and the Defense over here talking about how we're going to straighten out the system right away."


So, here we are over a month later. The State Department and Justice Department are stonewalling Congress.


A Republican lawmaker wants Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to answer questions in person about the high-profile rape case of Jamie Leigh Jones, after lower State Department officials failed to provide information that satisfied him.


One branch of our government is asking another branch of our government why they are blowing off the gang rape of an American citizen. The answer is simple: The gang rape is the result of the Bush administration’s total lack of oversight of private contractors in Iraq. At the same time, the Justice Department has been turned into a political wing of the White House and the case of Jamie Leigh Jones is a glaring example of what happens when our system of law is usurped by politics. The rule of law crumbles as it caters to political interests. This is the sort of case that can explode and shine a light on the entire system.

Now, why do I think you are disgusting, filthy animals? Because, what the fuck have you done? I immediately wrote my Senators and Congressman, explaining my disgust. The fact that America is quietly sitting around, after a woman was gang raped, while her rapists are protected by our government is sickening. The fact that the system is set up to allow something like this to happen is repugnant. But what is more repugnant is that we sit on our fat asses doing nothing, while women are gang raped and people are killed.

If we put massive pressure on our government to answer for this injustice, there would be action. That is sort of how a Democracy works. And you fuckers are silent. Which makes us complicit in the gang rape of an American citizen. Or you, anyway. At least I managed to take time out of my day to write an email and make a phone call. But don't worry about it, after all, you've got that Lost message board to get to.

 

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GrayRains

GrayRains

El Paso, TX
January 2008

FEB 04, 2008 10:55 PM

Eh, you have your point. Of course, cutting down the actual meaningful part of his part into "Rant Rant Rant" just didn't sit well with me at all. Of course, his post isn't totally out of place here in some ways.

Nessuno

Nessuno

Washington, DC
May 2006

FEB 05, 2008 06:49 AM

GrayRains said:
Eh, you have your point. Of course, cutting down the actual meaningful part of his part into "Rant Rant Rant" just didn't sit well with me at all. Of course, his post isn't totally out of place here in some ways.



You have a point. I mean, I was an asshole about it. In the future I won't take out personal issues on people via the CE boards.

scylis

scylis

Seattle, WA
November 2004

FEB 05, 2008 09:39 AM

Nessuno said:

GrayRains said:
Eh, you have your point. Of course, cutting down the actual meaningful part of his part into "Rant Rant Rant" just didn't sit well with me at all. Of course, his post isn't totally out of place here in some ways.



You have a point. I mean, I was an asshole about it. In the future I won't take out personal issues on people via the CE boards.



but this is the internet, man! that's what you're supposed to do on the internet!

GrayRains

GrayRains

El Paso, TX
January 2008

FEB 05, 2008 11:07 AM

scylis... smirk.

I'm tempted to post Nemo's messages here, but then again, he's mostly just repeating himself over and over again. Hopefully he actually does what I suggested to him, but I'm tempted to doubt it. Americans tend to be blissful in their ignorance, which is deeply disturbing to me. Hopefully he does read through it, tho the way he's so emotionally attached to being an American and serving in the military leads me to believe he'll refuse to believe the overwhelming evidence.

...or he'll continue to throw out garbage about using "the right channels" and blah blah blah and try to dodge all of it again even tho I'm not doing anything wrong.

GrayRains

GrayRains

El Paso, TX
January 2008

FEB 05, 2008 11:26 AM

Or worse yet, maybe he already knows the whole story, but still supports the government?

Cynicus

Cynicus

I'm lost
March 2007

FEB 05, 2008 02:30 PM

Sorry if my rant was a little long-winded and pocked with typos. But then again, not all of us are brilliant editorialists. I just get used to spellcheckers too much.

My whole point of that rant was that of course Jamie Leigh Jones case was swept under a rug and will be further trivialized by our government because of one simple reason - they have too much to lose.

The last thing our government wants is us to wise up and start taking action.

My whole rant was about that. I suppose I was heavy on the diatribe, and overly semantic in its broadness. It made my point at least to some of you. But then again, many of you fellow posters here were using this thread to flame each other. I suppose that's OK too, huh?

The bottom line point of my post was to say that nothing will change unless we go to the ROOT of the problem - the festering boil on the face of the earth known as the Power Elite. For 1500 years that was the Roman Church and the Vatican, but people like Martin Luther and Henry VIII and Joseph Smith and John Calvin came along and began a change that still took nearly 500 years to be noticeable. Now the Power Elite is that rare few handful of people - in our government AND others - that stand to gain unlimited power and money from the blood of us, the people.

So, yes, I ranted. I'm usually better at it. And if I use enormously outdated and overused quotes, it's because there are actually some people out there who haven't heard them before. People who aren't as well read, intelligent, and wise . . . they are a part of the poplulace too.

BTW - I don't think Bush orchestrated 9/11 - he's too rock stupid to come up with that idea. I was referring to Osama Bin Laden. Yep - we created the terrorist who claimed he was given a task by Allah to wipe the capitialist sinners from the face of Earth. That's the 'holy endorsement'.

PsylentNemo

PsylentNemo

Honolulu, HI
November 2007

FEB 05, 2008 03:19 PM

KUNGFOO said:

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PsylentNemo said:
To the above:

Gentlemen, I am sure Ms. Jamie Leigh Jones appreciates your cander in this matter. It's good to see that you both have the heart of this issue in mind.



Classy. Just fucking pure class there. puke

I will not further discuss the accusations that both of you have made here. If you wish to discuss, please send me a private message. I am happy to debate honor, courage, justice, and the current state of our military in private. Not here. I regard your personal experiences as that, and would expect a greater level of seriousness from active duty members of the armed forces of America.

GrayReins, you are absolutely right. I did not answer your questions, nor propose a counter point to your points. This is not the place to do so. I will be happy to communicate if you wish to address me in private or in another thread. I think the gravity of the situation makes this the wrong place to do so, and I appologize to anyone who believes that my first statement seemed to do so.

KUNGFOO, I can't speak for your personal experiences, or in what fact anyone has told you any of the above. Again, not the place to be discussing the matter. See above.

Here's the bottom line. This post was about the injustice of a number of men not part of the armed forces against a woman was wasn't either, all of whom were in a hotile area of the world. Throwing the military into the argument was entirely uncalled for and childish. But again, I'm sure Ms. Jones thanks you for brining it up, and comletely redirecting the point of the thread.



Yeah, that's a ugly move you just pulled there; retreat behind rape victim. "I am sure Ms. Jamie Leigh Jones appreciates your cander in this matter. It's good to see that you both have the heart of this issue in mind."

So you can spout off your opinion, but when it's disputed, we are the individuals being inconsiderate? Ridiculous.


In fact, she has a web site.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
I doubt at this point she is concerned about the dialogue. Your self-enlightened sarcasm is far more disrespectful.

You have proved my point.



You're right, and I would like to point out that the extension to the MEJA is a very important issue here. It is found on a link on her website, or direct link here. Me and some of the other posters had addressed this breifly in another thread, but I think that it bares redress. Because the original act was signed in back in 2000 and there has been plenty of opportunity to test it since then, I think it imperative that the extension be signed in ASAP. Sad as it is, this originated from another awful incident involving two children being molested. But as you can see here, the law is somewhat hard to discern when dealing with the employees of the contractors abroad. The extension would provide clarification on this matter, and eliminate the somewhat grey area that exists. As you may read, the law covers contractors hired by DoD, but those hired by the Dept of State are in the grey area. I'm not sure where KBR falls, but if my memory serves me correctly, then they are included in this law.

I hope that everyone reads the links, merely for info if nothing else. I can garauntee you that I will be submitting my name to the petition to expedite this process.

Nessuno

Nessuno

Washington, DC
May 2006

FEB 05, 2008 03:26 PM

Thanks for posting a more focused response.


My whole point of that rant was that of course Jamie Leigh Jones case was swept under a rug and will be further trivialized by our government because of one simple reason - they have too much to lose.



True, but the reason that I'm pissed off here isn't that politicians are doing damage control, that's par for the course, but that they are more or less getting away with it.


But then again, many of you fellow posters here were using this thread to flame each other. I suppose that's OK too, huh?



It wasn't really. Things turning personal and going off topic are inevitable on the internet I was absent from that debate for the very reason that it got personal and off topic.


nothing will change unless we go to the ROOT of the problem - the festering boil on the face of the earth known as the Power Elite. For 1500 years that was the Roman Church and the Vatican, but people like Martin Luther and Henry VIII and Joseph Smith and John Calvin came along and began a change that still took nearly 500 years to be noticeable. Now the Power Elite is that rare few handful of people - in our government AND others - that stand to gain unlimited power and money from the blood of us, the people.



I think the problem is more it's general ignorance of history and the lack of concerted organized efforts to better society on the side of the left. That there is a "Power Elite" seems to be a side effect of this problem.


So, yes, I ranted. I'm usually better at it. And if I use enormously outdated and overused quotes, it's because there are actually some people out there who haven't heard them before. People who aren't as well read, intelligent, and wise . . . they are a part of the poplulace too.



A good point, in regards to many not hearing them. Except you didn't present them in a really effective manner or in a thread where it makes sense. I mean, at least in the way you framed it.

GrayRains

GrayRains

El Paso, TX
January 2008

FEB 05, 2008 04:33 PM

Nessuno said:
Thanks for posting a more focused response.


My whole point of that rant was that of course Jamie Leigh Jones case was swept under a rug and will be further trivialized by our government because of one simple reason - they have too much to lose.



True, but the reason that I'm pissed off here isn't that politicians are doing damage control, that's par for the course, but that they are more or less getting away with it.

-- Well, with 9/11 it gave the administration the excuse to proclaim that they can go to extreme measures to combat terrorism. Opponents of that were labeled as "unpatriotic" and politically attacked. US soldiers have been blown up into "heroes" and even Time I think put the American soldier as the "Person of the Year." This hero worship has extended a bit to mercs and contractors, and as such, they are protected, especially with the loopholes that let them get away with it. You have to realize that a good chunk of the public has been brainwashed into believing Americans can do no wrong in the combat zones.--



But then again, many of you fellow posters here were using this thread to flame each other. I suppose that's OK too, huh?



It wasn't really. Things turning personal and going off topic are inevitable on the internet I was absent from that debate for the very reason that it got personal and off topic.


nothing will change unless we go to the ROOT of the problem - the festering boil on the face of the earth known as the Power Elite. For 1500 years that was the Roman Church and the Vatican, but people like Martin Luther and Henry VIII and Joseph Smith and John Calvin came along and began a change that still took nearly 500 years to be noticeable. Now the Power Elite is that rare few handful of people - in our government AND others - that stand to gain unlimited power and money from the blood of us, the people.



I think the problem is more it's general ignorance of history and the lack of concerted organized efforts to better society on the side of the left. That there is a "Power Elite" seems to be a side effect of this problem.

--Ignorance of history, yes, but also the manipulation of history as well. The "Power Elite" isn't just government anymore, it's massive corporations that pour money into putting their people in place in the government, UN, IMF, World Bank, etc then manipulate other countries into accepting their horrible terms. Big Money controls the media, and the media says what they want them to say.--


So, yes, I ranted. I'm usually better at it. And if I use enormously outdated and overused quotes, it's because there are actually some people out there who haven't heard them before. People who aren't as well read, intelligent, and wise . . . they are a part of the poplulace too.



A good point, in regards to many not hearing them. Except you didn't present them in a really effective manner or in a thread where it makes sense. I mean, at least in the way you framed it.

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