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Snitchin' for Crack

WEDNESDAY JANUARY 23 2008 7:00 PM

Submitted by MissTyrios. Edited By MissTyrios.

TAGS: police, drugs, new york city

When the police want to bust a drug dealer, they will often send out "confidential informants" - drug addicts who will, under the direction of the police, conduct a buy with a dealer while under surveillance, allowing the police to build a case for a search warrant or to make an arrest. CIs will sometimes get paid in cash and sometimes in lenient treatment for their own smaller court cases. But four Brooklyn cops were going one step further by actually compensating CIs with drugs seized from the dealers they helped arrest.

The concept of using drugs to compensate confidential informants — mainly people familiar with street culture and criminal habits — is not new. Raymond J. Abruzzi, once chief of Brooklyn detectives, who retired in 1996, said it was illegal but commonplace 30 years ago, “mainly because the department did not have a lot of money to pay the informants.”

But the continuing corruption investigation offers a striking example of officers who appeared to have gone too far to make arrests, in a way that is now aggressively condemned. One law enforcement official even called it “noble-cause corruption.”


The NYPD is making it clear, though, that such "noble-cause corruption" is not going to be tolerated - four officers are under arrest, two have been suspended without pay, two have been demoted with loss of gun privileges, a dozen have been put on desk duty, and four supervisors have been transferred. This is not just a case of a few rogue cops committing their own crimes to nail those they considered the "real" criminals. And their actions have already lead the Brooklyn DA's office to dismiss 80 cases for having tainted evidence, with 100 more cases under investigation.

So, while popular culture tends to glorify officers like those involved here (think The Shield), the real-world impact of such bravado can be far more detrimental - not only by ruining legitimate criminal cases, but by eroding the rights of every individual in system that is supposed to be honest.

 

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freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

JAN 23, 2008 07:46 PM

These people clearly need to watch Stop Snitching

If you are going to jail, don't try to lessen your penalty by bringing everyone with you.

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JAN 23, 2008 07:58 PM

freshprncebelair said:
These people clearly need to watch Stop Snitching

If you are going to jail, don't try to lessen your penalty by bringing everyone with you.



Funny, I was more aggravated with the cops in this situation than the pathetic drug addicts the cops were using.

What exactly did the informants do wrong here? Other than violate a code of honor you apparently learned about from the movies?

Postblank

Postblank

New Brunswick, NJ
June 2004

JAN 23, 2008 08:41 PM

freshprncebelair said:
If you are going to jail, don't try to lessen your penalty by bringing everyone with you.


Why?

Bastardo

Bastardo

Boston, MA
January 2005

JAN 23, 2008 08:44 PM

Thistle said:

freshprncebelair said:
These people clearly need to watch Stop Snitching

If you are going to jail, don't try to lessen your penalty by bringing everyone with you.



Funny, I was more aggravated with the cops in this situation than the pathetic drug addicts the cops were using.

What exactly did the informants do wrong here? Other than violate a code of honor you apparently learned about from the movies?


Yeah, criminals don't take an oath to uphold the law last time I checked, so whose honor are we talking about?

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

JAN 23, 2008 08:47 PM

Thistle said:
What exactly did the informants do wrong here? Other than violate a code of honor you apparently learned about from the movies?



Yeah, I learned about it in the movies, which is why there is a huge underground series of movies (sequel released last month) filmed on the streets of Baltimore, where the community at large talks about how they hate snitches, and criminals openly threaten snitches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin'

Maybe if there wasn't a massive war on drugs that gave rise to gangs that are able to run entire communities even while the leaders are in prison, things might be different, but until then, Baltimore, and many other cities like it will continue to have major problems with crime and ineffective cops.

Bastardo

Bastardo

Boston, MA
January 2005

JAN 23, 2008 08:50 PM

freshprncebelair said:

Thistle said:
What exactly did the informants do wrong here? Other than violate a code of honor you apparently learned about from the movies?



Yeah, I learned about it in the movies, which is why there is a huge underground series of movies (sequel released last month) filmed on the streets of Baltimore, where the community at large talks about how they hate snitches, and criminals openly threaten snitches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin'

Maybe if there wasn't a massive war on drugs that gave rise to gangs that are able to run entire communities even while the leaders are in prison, things might be different, but until then, Baltimore, and many other cities like it will continue to have major problems with crime and ineffective cops.



So this is somehow the reason why informants are bad? Everyone they are informing on wants them dead?

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

JAN 23, 2008 08:51 PM

freshprncebelair said:

Thistle said:
What exactly did the informants do wrong here? Other than violate a code of honor you apparently learned about from the movies?



Yeah, I learned about it in the movies, which is why there is a huge underground series of movies (sequel released last month) filmed on the streets of Baltimore, where the community at large talks about how they hate snitches, and criminals openly threaten snitches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin'

Maybe if there wasn't a massive war on drugs that gave rise to gangs that are able to run entire communities even while the leaders are in prison, things might be different, but until then, Baltimore, and many other cities like it will continue to have major problems with crime and ineffective cops.



so. is this where you make a snide remark about shooting cops and then never return to the thread?

There would be gangs regardless if there were drugs or not.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

JAN 23, 2008 08:53 PM

I honestly think he was making a comment about the silly videos and your all missing the point. smile

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

JAN 23, 2008 08:54 PM

DevilsReject said:

freshprncebelair said:

Thistle said:
What exactly did the informants do wrong here? Other than violate a code of honor you apparently learned about from the movies?



Yeah, I learned about it in the movies, which is why there is a huge underground series of movies (sequel released last month) filmed on the streets of Baltimore, where the community at large talks about how they hate snitches, and criminals openly threaten snitches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin'

Maybe if there wasn't a massive war on drugs that gave rise to gangs that are able to run entire communities even while the leaders are in prison, things might be different, but until then, Baltimore, and many other cities like it will continue to have major problems with crime and ineffective cops.



so. is this where you make a snide remark about shooting cops and then never return to the thread?

There would be gangs regardless if there were drugs or not.



Thats very true, but they would have alot less money and power without that source of income. smile

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

JAN 23, 2008 09:00 PM

Colinism said:

DevilsReject said:

freshprncebelair said:

Thistle said:
What exactly did the informants do wrong here? Other than violate a code of honor you apparently learned about from the movies?



Yeah, I learned about it in the movies, which is why there is a huge underground series of movies (sequel released last month) filmed on the streets of Baltimore, where the community at large talks about how they hate snitches, and criminals openly threaten snitches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin'

Maybe if there wasn't a massive war on drugs that gave rise to gangs that are able to run entire communities even while the leaders are in prison, things might be different, but until then, Baltimore, and many other cities like it will continue to have major problems with crime and ineffective cops.



so. is this where you make a snide remark about shooting cops and then never return to the thread?

There would be gangs regardless if there were drugs or not.



Thats very true, but they would have alot less money and power without that source of income. smile



meh. i don't think so. They'd just increase revenue in other illegal activities. There's still guns, alcohol, gambling, theft, car jacking, outright auto theft.

Thinking that the drug trade is only illegal drugs like coke, or heroin, is a little naive, prescription drugs still draw a big monetary demand on the street.

Legalizing something doesn't have anything to do with it's street value.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

JAN 23, 2008 09:03 PM

DevilsReject said:

Colinism said:

DevilsReject said:

freshprncebelair said:

Thistle said:
What exactly did the informants do wrong here? Other than violate a code of honor you apparently learned about from the movies?



Yeah, I learned about it in the movies, which is why there is a huge underground series of movies (sequel released last month) filmed on the streets of Baltimore, where the community at large talks about how they hate snitches, and criminals openly threaten snitches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin'

Maybe if there wasn't a massive war on drugs that gave rise to gangs that are able to run entire communities even while the leaders are in prison, things might be different, but until then, Baltimore, and many other cities like it will continue to have major problems with crime and ineffective cops.



so. is this where you make a snide remark about shooting cops and then never return to the thread?

There would be gangs regardless if there were drugs or not.



Thats very true, but they would have alot less money and power without that source of income. smile



meh. i don't think so. They'd just increase revenue in other illegal activities. There's still guns, alcohol, gambling, theft, car jacking, outright auto theft.

Thinking the drug trade is only illegal drugs like coke, or heroin, then explain to me why prescription drugs, still draw such a big monetary demand on the street.

Legalizing something doesn't have anything to do with it's street value.



because they are still a controlled substance, over the counter drugs can in some cases be turned into more powerful drugs. But prescription are already powerful enough to fuck someone up as it is if taken. Why risk manufacture and transport if you can get your hands on something made legit by a pharmacutical company and sell it. They did all the work all you need to do is sell their finished product.

I'm tired and I admit that was poorly written but I think you get what I am saying don't you?

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JAN 23, 2008 09:07 PM

freshprncebelair said:

Thistle said:
What exactly did the informants do wrong here? Other than violate a code of honor you apparently learned about from the movies?



Yeah, I learned about it in the movies, which is why there is a huge underground series of movies (sequel released last month) filmed on the streets of Baltimore, where the community at large talks about how they hate snitches, and criminals openly threaten snitches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin'

Maybe if there wasn't a massive war on drugs that gave rise to gangs that are able to run entire communities even while the leaders are in prison, things might be different, but until then, Baltimore, and many other cities like it will continue to have major problems with crime and ineffective cops.



What does that have to do with how corrupt the cops are in this situation?

Postblank

Postblank

New Brunswick, NJ
June 2004

JAN 23, 2008 09:13 PM

Thistle said:

freshprncebelair said:

Thistle said:
What exactly did the informants do wrong here? Other than violate a code of honor you apparently learned about from the movies?



Yeah, I learned about it in the movies, which is why there is a huge underground series of movies (sequel released last month) filmed on the streets of Baltimore, where the community at large talks about how they hate snitches, and criminals openly threaten snitches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin'

Maybe if there wasn't a massive war on drugs that gave rise to gangs that are able to run entire communities even while the leaders are in prison, things might be different, but until then, Baltimore, and many other cities like it will continue to have major problems with crime and ineffective cops.



What does that have to do with how corrupt the cops are in this situation?

'Cause... um...stop snitchin' maaaan.

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

JAN 23, 2008 09:16 PM

Colinism said:

DevilsReject said:

Colinism said:

DevilsReject said:

freshprncebelair said:

Thistle said:
What exactly did the informants do wrong here? Other than violate a code of honor you apparently learned about from the movies?



Yeah, I learned about it in the movies, which is why there is a huge underground series of movies (sequel released last month) filmed on the streets of Baltimore, where the community at large talks about how they hate snitches, and criminals openly threaten snitches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin'

Maybe if there wasn't a massive war on drugs that gave rise to gangs that are able to run entire communities even while the leaders are in prison, things might be different, but until then, Baltimore, and many other cities like it will continue to have major problems with crime and ineffective cops.



so. is this where you make a snide remark about shooting cops and then never return to the thread?

There would be gangs regardless if there were drugs or not.



Thats very true, but they would have alot less money and power without that source of income. smile



meh. i don't think so. They'd just increase revenue in other illegal activities. There's still guns, alcohol, gambling, theft, car jacking, outright auto theft.

Thinking the drug trade is only illegal drugs like coke, or heroin, then explain to me why prescription drugs, still draw such a big monetary demand on the street.

Legalizing something doesn't have anything to do with it's street value.



because they are still a controlled substance, over the counter drugs can in some cases be turned into more powerful drugs. But prescription are already powerful enough to fuck someone up as it is if taken. Why risk manufacture and transport if you can get your hands on something made legit by a pharmacutical company and sell it. They did all the work all you need to do is sell their finished product.

I'm tired and I admit that was poorly written but I think you get what I am saying don't you?



Okay. then explain to me why alcohol is such an integral part of the trade on the streets.

Explain to me why VCR's/Electronics/Computers get stolen and re-sold. It doesn't have anything to do with the legality of it, it's got everything to do with if it's stolen, the gangs can sell it cheaper than anyone can manufacture it, and still make a profit off of it. If you legalized any type of drug, there'd still be a trade for it on the street.

We kind of got off the topic though. The cops, the people who are supposed to do right, did wrong in this particular subject, and need to accept the consequences for what they did.

Squire

Squire

I'm lost
November 2003

JAN 23, 2008 09:40 PM

Meh. They'd have gotten drugs anyway. I'd say it was an efficient use of available resources, but only because this tactic was utilized to bust those higher up on the chain of distribution. In other words, I'm sick of seeing poor harmless junkies clogging the system for posession or such bullshit in lieu of those who are proven to be more violent and have the most to gain from the drug trade. Pay the informant with a couple of bags that would otherwise be destroyed instead of spending other limited resources.

I suppose one could also argue that there is a more direct way these tactics limit the sale of narcotics. Give a junkie informant some money and it is just going into the pockets of another possibly violent drug dealer. Pay said junkie in drugs, you've possibly eliminated another sale, further profits, dealer incentive, etc.

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