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Last week the Republicans held two debates. To say it was like watching aliens would be an understatement. This could be the most idiotic group of men ever to run for the White House. Their understanding of the world is childlike and their solutions even more so. When one of these men is elected (steals) to the presidency, we are completely fucked as a nation. I do not see how we could possibly survive another four years of this ignorant bullshit.

They have no intention of moving away from the great policies of George Bush, because obviously he has done such an awesome job. It is completely baffling that five adults can sit on stage during a debate, in the year 2008, and argue over who backs the president more. Now, I expect stupidity from these fucking morons and I am rarely disturbed by their caveman grunts and screams, but when the topic turned to terrorism and they ganged up on poor Ron Paul, I kind of lost it.

Don’t get me wrong; I think Ron Paul is an idiot. Besides his views of foreign policy, he may be the most moronic of them all. Yet, he is very intelligent and thoughtful when it comes to foreign policy.

Ron Paul made the mistake of pointing out that we should take responsibility for our policies that led to 9/11. Seems like a position that any mature, reasoned man would take. If someone attacks me, there is usually a reason. Strange people just don’t walk up to me on the street and punch me in the face. That is just not how life works.

Here is Paul’s statement that set off the idiots:


They don’t attack us because we are free and prosperous…We invade their countries, we occupy their countries, we have bases in their country…not since just 9/11, but we have done that for a long time…it was our…if we don’t understand that we can’t win this war against terrorism.


Oh, how dare you speak the obvious! This is a Republican debate, thinker! A good-looking retard named Mitt was the first to respond.


Unfortunately Ron, you need a thorough understanding of what radical Jihad is, what the movement is, what it’s intent is, where it flows from and the fact that it is trying to bring down, not just us, but it is trying to bring down all moderate, Islamic governments, Western governments around the world.


All? I have missed the attacks on Iceland? Also, Switzerland, Finland, blah, blah, you get the point. It’s a hollow and bullshit argument. The countries that have been attacked have mostly been those whom helped us with Iraq and Afghanistan. What the terrorists are trying to do is bring down governments that are not moderate, like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Egypt. You know, the dictatorships that the US props up. Anyone who is using just 1% of his or her brain should know this.

Mitt then goes into a rant in which he says we should thank George Bush for keeping us safe. Just ignore the horrible attacks on our allies, Spain and England, as well as the many Australians targeted and killed in Bali.

That’s when old, lazy Fred Thompson jumps in and brags about his experience and nearly fingers himself because of it. All his experience has apparently taught him that crazy Muslims are bad. Whodda thunk?

Thank God Rudy was there to set everyone straight.


Ron’s analysis is seriously flawed. The idea that the attack took place because of American foreign policy is precisely the reason I handed back a $10 million dollar check to a Saudi prince, who gave me that money at ground zero for the Twin Towers Fund and then put out a press release saying America should change its foreign policy.


Wow, you gave back $10 million dollars because somebody said we should change our foreign policy, and actually have the nerve to brag about your moronic, heinous decision? For those of you who don’t know what the Twin Towers Fund is:


The Twin Towers Fund is providing assistance and support to grieving family members of those personnel from the New York City Fire Department and its Emergency Medical Services Command, the New York City Police Department, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the New York State Office of Court Administration and other government offices.


Only a great, educated, selfless man would turn down $10 million dollars for families of dead rescue workers because the donator said the US should take a look at its foreign policy. He rejected money for grieving families because of a TRUTHFUL comment. Rudy Giuliani is a viper. Thank God he wasn't done.


It is an existential threat. It has nothing to do with our policy…our foreign policy is irrelevant, totally irrelevant.


That is pretty much the psychotic view of things, yes. He a stain on face of the Earth and someone needs to get a sponge.

It is over? No fucking way. Ron Paul then attempts to explain to the idiots why foreigners, who suffer at the hands of our foreign policy, are upset because we attempt to force our beliefs on them. Romney calmly lets us know why he is retarded again.


Ron, you’re reading their propaganda.

(Giuliani cackles)


Rudy cackles! Because it’s fun! It is fun how crazy Ron Paul is being with his well thought out criticisms of our foreign policy and his belief that there is usually a cause for violent attacks. Calling the truth propaganda is pretty much all we can expect from “Republicans” these days. Romney then makes a statement that causes me to shit on myself.


It has nothing to do with us, when they kill Madam Bhutto.


Are you fucking kidding me? You want to be our president, you hideous, retarded fuck? You have just made a statement about an assassination, as if it was fact, for which there is no proof. No evidence exists to back up this claim. None. You are a liar and a deviant and very, very dangerous. Also, you are retarded.

Then Fred Thompson jumps back in with some really important questions:


Fred: Whom did we invade before 9/11?

Paul: We were occupying.

Fred: (mocking) Occupying.

Paul: We have air bases in Saudi Arabia.

Fred: (mocking) Air bases.


Jesus. Fucking. Christ. WE DO HAVE AIR BASES. Here is a grown man, running for president of the United States, mocking the truth. MOCKING. The US bases in Saudi Arabia have been the number one recruiting tool for al Qaeda, or at least they were until the war in Iraq. Maybe dipshit should have learned that when he was getting all that “experience” as a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. It’s okay to read, even if you are an actor.

Are we done yet? Sadly, no. Huckabee then breaks down the problem in a way his Christian minions will understand: Islamofascism. Which, is, uh, something that does not exist. It is not real. There are no Islamofascists. There are radical Muslims and there are fascists, but there is no such thing as an Islamofascist. Huckabee is a retarded moron.


There is nothing about our attacking them that prompts this. They are prompted by the fact that they believe that they must establish a worldwide caliphate that has nothing to do with us, other than the fact that we live and breath and their intention is to destroy us.


Well, thanks for that, Innocent the Third. You don’t mind if I call you a fucking tool, right? This is an embarrassing position for any man running for president of the United States to take. It is so completely void of thought and reason that it is shocking.

Last week’s debate was disturbing to watch. It is amazing to witness five men speaking to one man like he is a fool, when he is actually correct. And I don’t for a minute believe that any of these clowns actually believe they are speaking the truth. They cannot. Because any man who has achieved the amount of power they have is not a moron. They are only taking this position because they have polled the base and they are catering to their ignorant beliefs, instead of explaining the truth. That is the opposite of a leader. These men are cowards.

Enjoy their brains.



We should greatly fear the day one of these assholes takes over the White House.

 

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jtemperance

jtemperance

Chicago, IL
January 2004

JAN 10, 2008 07:48 PM

FearTheReaper said:

Uncognitive said:

FearTheReaper said:

DownNeck said:

have you ever tried getting an atheist to blow himself up because you gave him a sandwich?

it's not easy



Which religion were Kamakaze pilots from?



Shintoism, which was Japan's state religion until the end of WW2.
.



A tad misleading. It was the state religion but part of the religion was to worship Japan itself.



Well, from what I understand, Shintoism embraced "Japan-worship", as you name it. I'm not sure I'd draw too fine of a line there. It's a bit analogous to that bit in A Few Good Men, where Keefer proclaims loyalty to his commanding officer and the King James Bible. It's a very nationalistic religion, especially as understood in its popular variant.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

JAN 10, 2008 07:49 PM

coyotemike said:

Colinism said:

FearTheReaper said:

DownNeck said:

have you ever tried getting an atheist to blow himself up because you gave him a sandwich?

it's not easy



Which religion were Kamakaze pilots from?



Shinto, but Suicide in Japan is more of an honor than a religious thing if I remember correctly. Anyone from Japan that can clarify or nullify this please?

Also not all suicide bombers are willing victims, some of them are given no choice, this was true of the kamikazi, it's true of the islamokazi.



Actually, some historians believe it was more about peer pressure than honor or emperor worship. (I'd link to the Wiki article, but I'm pretty sure most people on here can figure out how to find it on their own.)

Islamokazi? Stop makin up words tongue



Islamokazi is a valid shorter term to describe islamofacismurderbombers. Stop trying to impose your liberalofacist censorship to my posts. wink

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

Kearney, NE
May 2006

JAN 10, 2008 07:59 PM

Colinism said:

coyotemike said:

Colinism said:

FearTheReaper said:

DownNeck said:

have you ever tried getting an atheist to blow himself up because you gave him a sandwich?

it's not easy



Which religion were Kamakaze pilots from?



Shinto, but Suicide in Japan is more of an honor than a religious thing if I remember correctly. Anyone from Japan that can clarify or nullify this please?

Also not all suicide bombers are willing victims, some of them are given no choice, this was true of the kamikazi, it's true of the islamokazi.



Actually, some historians believe it was more about peer pressure than honor or emperor worship. (I'd link to the Wiki article, but I'm pretty sure most people on here can figure out how to find it on their own.)

Islamokazi? Stop makin up words tongue



Islamokazi is a valid shorter term to describe islamofacismurderbombers. Stop trying to impose your liberalofacist censorship to my posts. wink



I am the King Arthur to your Dennisinian Vocabulary!!!

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

2 points to the first person to get this.

MarcMerm

MarcMerm

West Hempstead, NY
April 2007

JAN 10, 2008 08:10 PM

FearTheReaper said:

MarcMerm said:
<QUOTE>If someone attacks me, there is usually a reason. Strange people just don't walk up to me on the street and punch me in the face. That is just not how life works.</QUOTE>

I'm hoping this statement was made with the full sarcasm it deserves. If it's meant seriously obviously someone has their head in the sand and never reads or hears about the innocents injured, mugged, and killed by criminals on the streets of every town and city around the world. Apparently I must've done something to the mugger who is willing to kill me for $10. My bad.



Think about your comment. Then think about mine. See a difference? One involves money, the other just violence.



http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-04-arizona-investigation_x.htm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/21/BA6PU25E0.DTL
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B01E2D81230F93AA15751C1A960958260

Those are three easily found articles from a google search on "random killings". No motive. No money. No nothing. Just dead bodies. So while I gave an example involving money, it was just an example. People kill for no reason. We're not to blame for our foreign policies. To justify the attacks for that would be to give justification to any poor person who felt attacked by the rich or policies which keep the poor poor while the rich get richer. Hey, I'm middle class. I'm in debt. Therefore if I go blow up American Express or Visa who gave me the opportunity to get in debt with their evil marketing, it's their fault, not mine. Or is that line of reasoning only good on an international, global scale?

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JAN 10, 2008 08:26 PM

MarcMerm said:

FearTheReaper said:

MarcMerm said:
<QUOTE>If someone attacks me, there is usually a reason. Strange people just don't walk up to me on the street and punch me in the face. That is just not how life works.</QUOTE>

I'm hoping this statement was made with the full sarcasm it deserves. If it's meant seriously obviously someone has their head in the sand and never reads or hears about the innocents injured, mugged, and killed by criminals on the streets of every town and city around the world. Apparently I must've done something to the mugger who is willing to kill me for $10. My bad.



Think about your comment. Then think about mine. See a difference? One involves money, the other just violence.



http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-04-arizona-investigation_x.htm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/21/BA6PU25E0.DTL
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B01E2D81230F93AA15751C1A960958260

Those are three easily found articles from a google search on "random killings". No motive. No money. No nothing. Just dead bodies. So while I gave an example involving money, it was just an example. People kill for no reason. We're not to blame for our foreign policies. To justify the attacks for that would be to give justification to any poor person who felt attacked by the rich or policies which keep the poor poor while the rich get richer. Hey, I'm middle class. I'm in debt. Therefore if I go blow up American Express or Visa who gave me the opportunity to get in debt with their evil marketing, it's their fault, not mine. Or is that line of reasoning only good on an international, global scale?



The idea that you're comparing thrill killing to terrorism is sort of silly, no? Surely you can see the foreign policy that helped fuel something like the IRA bombings, right? Also, you should really read your links. The third article is about "random" killings for money/because of arguments. . .not "random" like the first two.

Looking for the reasons for terrorism beyond simply "they're religious nuts!!" isn't saying that terrorism is acceptable. It's not saying that it's justified, despite what the idiots want us to think. Looking into the reasons behind terrorism might just help stop terrorism. What won't stop terrorism is saying "oh, it's totally random crazies! Oh well!"

I'm surprised that someone who can spell needs that explained to them.

spyder13

spyder13

San Francisco, CA
October 2006

JAN 10, 2008 08:34 PM

I am still stunned that any Republican made some sense; a logical thought at all. The world is clearly in danger if one of these fools gets into office.

blindmender

blindmender

Winona, OH
November 2007

JAN 10, 2008 09:38 PM

I didn't know we were going for grammar. But if that's how you want it I'll make sure to check yours every chance I get thefreak.

blindmender

blindmender

Winona, OH
November 2007

JAN 10, 2008 09:39 PM

They are in office

MarcMerm

MarcMerm

West Hempstead, NY
April 2007

JAN 10, 2008 09:39 PM

PointBlank said:

The idea that you're comparing thrill killing to terrorism is sort of silly, no? Surely you can see the foreign policy that helped fuel something like the IRA bombings, right? Also, you should really read your links. The third article is about "random" killings for money/because of arguments. . .not "random" like the first two.

Looking for the reasons for terrorism beyond simply "they're religious nuts!!" isn't saying that terrorism is acceptable. It's not saying that it's justified, despite what the idiots want us to think. Looking into the reasons behind terrorism might just help stop terrorism. What won't stop terrorism is saying "oh, it's totally random crazies! Oh well!"

I'm surprised that someone who can spell needs that explained to them.



Oh, how witty. The problem is that the terrorists are simple people who are fueled by hatred and lies by their leaders. The leaders are the ones who get rich off the oppression they cause on their "people". Regardless of our policies, these power hungry people would find any excuse to gain riches. Look at Mullah Mohammed Omar in Afgahnistan? He lived very well while his people were poor and hungry. I'm not trying to equate random killings to acts of terrorism. What I was attempting to show was that the comment must have obviously been sarcasm and not meant to be taken literally. I truly believe the perpetrators of the terrorist attacks are themselves victims of deceitful and corrupt leaders who use them for their own glory and aggrandizement. It's not to justify their actions because no matter how desperate your situation is, a human is still responsible to be moral and not commit atrocities. Even if our policies weren't what they were (see for instance "Confessions of an Economic Hitman"), I still think the leaders who find someone to hate in order to gain power and followers. We shouldn't blame America's policies for these crimes. We should blame those who send the bombers on their missions or use weak minded people. But changing our policies will only remove us from being targets. That doesn't mean our policies now are bad and if we changed them to not be targets they'd be good. That's a different argument, though possibly related.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

JAN 10, 2008 09:42 PM

spyder13 said:
I am still stunned that any Republican made some sense; a logical thought at all. The world is clearly in danger if one of these fools gets into office.



Not all republicans are bad, nor are all democrats good. If you look at our current crop of choices it's like the same person except they each have a few wedge issues they will use to get votes then in office all the people who voted will be dissapointed when they don't get the health care they wanted, or that gays are not burned like witches for their sinful ways

MarcMerm

MarcMerm

West Hempstead, NY
April 2007

JAN 10, 2008 09:42 PM

blindmender said:
They are in office



Unfortunately. And even worse is that Huckabee could win Iowa when he doesn't even know anything on foreign policy (see a previously wonderfully written article about how he was ignorant regarding the assassination in Pakistan). Not that any other currently running candidate is better, Republican or Democrat. But, if Fred Thompson won, we could do away with Hail to the Chief and we can play that catchy Law and Order drop. How cool would we be in the eyes of the world if "Law and Order guy" won? :-)

MarcMerm

MarcMerm

West Hempstead, NY
April 2007

JAN 10, 2008 09:44 PM

Colinism said:

spyder13 said:
I am still stunned that any Republican made some sense; a logical thought at all. The world is clearly in danger if one of these fools gets into office.



Not all republicans are bad, nor are all democrats good. If you look at our current crop of choices it's like the same person except they each have a few wedge issues they will use to get votes then in office all the people who voted will be dissapointed when they don't get the health care they wanted, or that gays are not burned like witches for their sinful ways



Right. We should weigh gays against ducks to know if we should burn them. :-D

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

Kearney, NE
May 2006

JAN 10, 2008 09:45 PM

blindmender said:
They are in office



could you clarify this statement, please?

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

JAN 10, 2008 09:48 PM

coyotemike said:

blindmender said:
They are in office



could you clarify this statement, please?



I'm sorry it's the lack of sleep but when you say "They are in office." I picture a cut scene to a bunch of elected officials who turn into like flesh eating zombies or some other cheesy horror movie cliche. then rowdy rowdy piper shows up to kick ass and chew bubble gum, cept the thing is he is all outta bubble gum. wink

Peace out yo tomorraw

blindmender

blindmender

Winona, OH
November 2007

JAN 10, 2008 09:56 PM

The middle class already pay all the bills in this country, that's not to mention how many tax dollars the rich pay, loop holes or not.

Back to the middle class. Can you imagine who will pay for health care if it goes all the way to $ 80 thousand and less?

Who's going to pay for that?

Hillary will be long gone when that bill needs to be paid.

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