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Last week the Republicans held two debates. To say it was like watching aliens would be an understatement. This could be the most idiotic group of men ever to run for the White House. Their understanding of the world is childlike and their solutions even more so. When one of these men is elected (steals) to the presidency, we are completely fucked as a nation. I do not see how we could possibly survive another four years of this ignorant bullshit.

They have no intention of moving away from the great policies of George Bush, because obviously he has done such an awesome job. It is completely baffling that five adults can sit on stage during a debate, in the year 2008, and argue over who backs the president more. Now, I expect stupidity from these fucking morons and I am rarely disturbed by their caveman grunts and screams, but when the topic turned to terrorism and they ganged up on poor Ron Paul, I kind of lost it.

Don’t get me wrong; I think Ron Paul is an idiot. Besides his views of foreign policy, he may be the most moronic of them all. Yet, he is very intelligent and thoughtful when it comes to foreign policy.

Ron Paul made the mistake of pointing out that we should take responsibility for our policies that led to 9/11. Seems like a position that any mature, reasoned man would take. If someone attacks me, there is usually a reason. Strange people just don’t walk up to me on the street and punch me in the face. That is just not how life works.

Here is Paul’s statement that set off the idiots:


They don’t attack us because we are free and prosperous…We invade their countries, we occupy their countries, we have bases in their country…not since just 9/11, but we have done that for a long time…it was our…if we don’t understand that we can’t win this war against terrorism.


Oh, how dare you speak the obvious! This is a Republican debate, thinker! A good-looking retard named Mitt was the first to respond.


Unfortunately Ron, you need a thorough understanding of what radical Jihad is, what the movement is, what it’s intent is, where it flows from and the fact that it is trying to bring down, not just us, but it is trying to bring down all moderate, Islamic governments, Western governments around the world.


All? I have missed the attacks on Iceland? Also, Switzerland, Finland, blah, blah, you get the point. It’s a hollow and bullshit argument. The countries that have been attacked have mostly been those whom helped us with Iraq and Afghanistan. What the terrorists are trying to do is bring down governments that are not moderate, like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Egypt. You know, the dictatorships that the US props up. Anyone who is using just 1% of his or her brain should know this.

Mitt then goes into a rant in which he says we should thank George Bush for keeping us safe. Just ignore the horrible attacks on our allies, Spain and England, as well as the many Australians targeted and killed in Bali.

That’s when old, lazy Fred Thompson jumps in and brags about his experience and nearly fingers himself because of it. All his experience has apparently taught him that crazy Muslims are bad. Whodda thunk?

Thank God Rudy was there to set everyone straight.


Ron’s analysis is seriously flawed. The idea that the attack took place because of American foreign policy is precisely the reason I handed back a $10 million dollar check to a Saudi prince, who gave me that money at ground zero for the Twin Towers Fund and then put out a press release saying America should change its foreign policy.


Wow, you gave back $10 million dollars because somebody said we should change our foreign policy, and actually have the nerve to brag about your moronic, heinous decision? For those of you who don’t know what the Twin Towers Fund is:


The Twin Towers Fund is providing assistance and support to grieving family members of those personnel from the New York City Fire Department and its Emergency Medical Services Command, the New York City Police Department, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the New York State Office of Court Administration and other government offices.


Only a great, educated, selfless man would turn down $10 million dollars for families of dead rescue workers because the donator said the US should take a look at its foreign policy. He rejected money for grieving families because of a TRUTHFUL comment. Rudy Giuliani is a viper. Thank God he wasn't done.


It is an existential threat. It has nothing to do with our policy…our foreign policy is irrelevant, totally irrelevant.


That is pretty much the psychotic view of things, yes. He a stain on face of the Earth and someone needs to get a sponge.

It is over? No fucking way. Ron Paul then attempts to explain to the idiots why foreigners, who suffer at the hands of our foreign policy, are upset because we attempt to force our beliefs on them. Romney calmly lets us know why he is retarded again.


Ron, you’re reading their propaganda.

(Giuliani cackles)


Rudy cackles! Because it’s fun! It is fun how crazy Ron Paul is being with his well thought out criticisms of our foreign policy and his belief that there is usually a cause for violent attacks. Calling the truth propaganda is pretty much all we can expect from “Republicans” these days. Romney then makes a statement that causes me to shit on myself.


It has nothing to do with us, when they kill Madam Bhutto.


Are you fucking kidding me? You want to be our president, you hideous, retarded fuck? You have just made a statement about an assassination, as if it was fact, for which there is no proof. No evidence exists to back up this claim. None. You are a liar and a deviant and very, very dangerous. Also, you are retarded.

Then Fred Thompson jumps back in with some really important questions:


Fred: Whom did we invade before 9/11?

Paul: We were occupying.

Fred: (mocking) Occupying.

Paul: We have air bases in Saudi Arabia.

Fred: (mocking) Air bases.


Jesus. Fucking. Christ. WE DO HAVE AIR BASES. Here is a grown man, running for president of the United States, mocking the truth. MOCKING. The US bases in Saudi Arabia have been the number one recruiting tool for al Qaeda, or at least they were until the war in Iraq. Maybe dipshit should have learned that when he was getting all that “experience” as a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. It’s okay to read, even if you are an actor.

Are we done yet? Sadly, no. Huckabee then breaks down the problem in a way his Christian minions will understand: Islamofascism. Which, is, uh, something that does not exist. It is not real. There are no Islamofascists. There are radical Muslims and there are fascists, but there is no such thing as an Islamofascist. Huckabee is a retarded moron.


There is nothing about our attacking them that prompts this. They are prompted by the fact that they believe that they must establish a worldwide caliphate that has nothing to do with us, other than the fact that we live and breath and their intention is to destroy us.


Well, thanks for that, Innocent the Third. You don’t mind if I call you a fucking tool, right? This is an embarrassing position for any man running for president of the United States to take. It is so completely void of thought and reason that it is shocking.

Last week’s debate was disturbing to watch. It is amazing to witness five men speaking to one man like he is a fool, when he is actually correct. And I don’t for a minute believe that any of these clowns actually believe they are speaking the truth. They cannot. Because any man who has achieved the amount of power they have is not a moron. They are only taking this position because they have polled the base and they are catering to their ignorant beliefs, instead of explaining the truth. That is the opposite of a leader. These men are cowards.

Enjoy their brains.



We should greatly fear the day one of these assholes takes over the White House.

 

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FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JAN 10, 2008 04:06 PM

DownNeck said:

have you ever tried getting an atheist to blow himself up because you gave him a sandwich?

it's not easy



Which religion were Kamakaze pilots from?

hk85

hk85

Guerneville, CA
October 2007

JAN 10, 2008 04:08 PM

blindmender said:
Republicans fix problems and then leave them selves nothing to run on. As quoted by "Ann Coulter."



This clears up the whole why would the GOP want to nominate a retarded caveman question for me.Thanks.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Christmas Island
August 2005

JAN 10, 2008 04:09 PM

FearTheReaper said:

DownNeck said:

have you ever tried getting an atheist to blow himself up because you gave him a sandwich?

it's not easy



Which religion were Kamakaze pilots from?



I donno, but I think they had sammiches .

Uncognitive

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY
May 2003

JAN 10, 2008 04:11 PM

FearTheReaper said:

DownNeck said:

have you ever tried getting an atheist to blow himself up because you gave him a sandwich?

it's not easy



Which religion were Kamakaze pilots from?



Shintoism, which was Japan's state religion until the end of WW2.

Best example I could think of for a "secular suicide bomber" would maybe be '60s and '70s terrorists groups like the Weathermen and the Baader-Meinhoff Gang, but that's a stretch.

hk85

hk85

Guerneville, CA
October 2007

JAN 10, 2008 04:11 PM

Chainlink said:

FearTheReaper said:

DownNeck said:

have you ever tried getting an atheist to blow himself up because you gave him a sandwich?

it's not easy



Which religion were Kamakaze pilots from?



I donno, but I think they had sammiches .



I'll blow myself up for some good sake right about now.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JAN 10, 2008 04:21 PM

Uncognitive said:

FearTheReaper said:

DownNeck said:

have you ever tried getting an atheist to blow himself up because you gave him a sandwich?

it's not easy



Which religion were Kamakaze pilots from?



Shintoism, which was Japan's state religion until the end of WW2.
.



A tad misleading. It was the state religion but part of the religion was to worship Japan itself.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JAN 10, 2008 04:34 PM

FearTheReaper said:

DownNeck said:

have you ever tried getting an atheist to blow himself up because you gave him a sandwich?

it's not easy



Which religion were Kamakaze pilots from?



Also, Tamil Tigers.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JAN 10, 2008 04:35 PM

comrade said:


People who have no food, no land, no security, no job, and no money are easy prey for militant factions who offer them food, structure, and a meaning to their existence, regardless of whether the faction is tribal, nationalist, religious, ethnic, or other.



Clearly, this is true. But among the hijackers on 9/11 were people with university degrees, some of which had actually been recruited at university. Sam Harris said it better than I can:



I guess you've never been to college. Students caring about the causes and plights of others sound familiar?

Or you could just check out this MIT study.


I will discuss the activities of these groups within the context of two competing explanations of suicide terrorism: those which focus on religious motivations, and those which focus on strategic motivations. I argue that while the first set of explanations is meritorious in some instances, the latter set of explanations is much more broadly applicable, and, as such, more legitimate.

DownNeck

DownNeck

Bloomfield, NJ
March 2006

JAN 10, 2008 04:49 PM

hookipa said:

Chainlink said:

FearTheReaper said:

DownNeck said:

have you ever tried getting an atheist to blow himself up because you gave him a sandwich?

it's not easy



Which religion were Kamakaze pilots from?



I donno, but I think they had sammiches .



I'll blow myself up for some good sake right about now.



would you drive a bigwheel with a firecracker on it into FTR's house for some shitty sake?

hk85

hk85

Guerneville, CA
October 2007

JAN 10, 2008 04:53 PM

DownNeck said:

hookipa said:

Chainlink said:

FearTheReaper said:

DownNeck said:

have you ever tried getting an atheist to blow himself up because you gave him a sandwich?

it's not easy



Which religion were Kamakaze pilots from?



I donno, but I think they had sammiches .



I'll blow myself up for some good sake right about now.



would you drive a bigwheel with a firecracker on it into FTR's house for some shitty sake?



Does he have any?

comrade

comrade

Portland, OR
April 2004

JAN 10, 2008 05:01 PM

FearTheReaper said:
I guess you've never been to college. Students caring about the causes and plights of others sound familiar?

Or you could just check out this MIT study.


I will discuss the activities of these groups within the context of two competing explanations of suicide terrorism: those which focus on religious motivations, and those which focus on strategic motivations. I argue that while the first set of explanations is meritorious in some instances, the latter set of explanations is much more broadly applicable, and, as such, more legitimate.



Yup, I went to an infamously left wing college with more than our share of political activism. No suicide bombers, though.

That's an interesting paper. It's not much of a "study," and it is written by an undergrad, but it makes two good points--suicide bombings are not exclusively used by religious groups and they are selected more for tactical than religious reasons. True enough. But the drive towards martyrdom is a real one for many Muslims, as is the goal of establishing a Muslim theocracy.

I'm going to say again that I'm not offering a simple cause/effect explanation for terrorism. Quite the opposite. I'm trying to point out how much more complicated the situation is. Poverty, oppression, and politics are crucial factors in terrorism--probably the most important ones. But these people tell us every chance that they get that this is about religion to them, and I for one am inclined to think they are probably onto something.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

JAN 10, 2008 05:08 PM

FearTheReaper said:

DownNeck said:

have you ever tried getting an atheist to blow himself up because you gave him a sandwich?

it's not easy



Which religion were Kamakaze pilots from?



Shinto, but Suicide in Japan is more of an honor than a religious thing if I remember correctly. Anyone from Japan that can clarify or nullify this please?

Also not all suicide bombers are willing victims, some of them are given no choice, this was true of the kamikazi, it's true of the islamokazi.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

Kearney, NE
May 2006

JAN 10, 2008 05:50 PM

Colinism said:

FearTheReaper said:

DownNeck said:

have you ever tried getting an atheist to blow himself up because you gave him a sandwich?

it's not easy



Which religion were Kamakaze pilots from?



Shinto, but Suicide in Japan is more of an honor than a religious thing if I remember correctly. Anyone from Japan that can clarify or nullify this please?

Also not all suicide bombers are willing victims, some of them are given no choice, this was true of the kamikazi, it's true of the islamokazi.



Actually, some historians believe it was more about peer pressure than honor or emperor worship. (I'd link to the Wiki article, but I'm pretty sure most people on here can figure out how to find it on their own.)

Islamokazi? Stop makin up words tongue

MarcMerm

MarcMerm

West Hempstead, NY
April 2007

JAN 10, 2008 07:37 PM

<QUOTE>If someone attacks me, there is usually a reason. Strange people just don't walk up to me on the street and punch me in the face. That is just not how life works.</QUOTE>

I'm hoping this statement was made with the full sarcasm it deserves. If it's meant seriously obviously someone has their head in the sand and never reads or hears about the innocents injured, mugged, and killed by criminals on the streets of every town and city around the world. Apparently I must've done something to the mugger who is willing to kill me for $10. My bad.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JAN 10, 2008 07:41 PM

MarcMerm said:
<QUOTE>If someone attacks me, there is usually a reason. Strange people just don't walk up to me on the street and punch me in the face. That is just not how life works.</QUOTE>

I'm hoping this statement was made with the full sarcasm it deserves. If it's meant seriously obviously someone has their head in the sand and never reads or hears about the innocents injured, mugged, and killed by criminals on the streets of every town and city around the world. Apparently I must've done something to the mugger who is willing to kill me for $10. My bad.



Think about your comment. Then think about mine. See a difference? One involves money, the other just violence.

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