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Last week the Republicans held two debates. To say it was like watching aliens would be an understatement. This could be the most idiotic group of men ever to run for the White House. Their understanding of the world is childlike and their solutions even more so. When one of these men is elected (steals) to the presidency, we are completely fucked as a nation. I do not see how we could possibly survive another four years of this ignorant bullshit.

They have no intention of moving away from the great policies of George Bush, because obviously he has done such an awesome job. It is completely baffling that five adults can sit on stage during a debate, in the year 2008, and argue over who backs the president more. Now, I expect stupidity from these fucking morons and I am rarely disturbed by their caveman grunts and screams, but when the topic turned to terrorism and they ganged up on poor Ron Paul, I kind of lost it.

Don’t get me wrong; I think Ron Paul is an idiot. Besides his views of foreign policy, he may be the most moronic of them all. Yet, he is very intelligent and thoughtful when it comes to foreign policy.

Ron Paul made the mistake of pointing out that we should take responsibility for our policies that led to 9/11. Seems like a position that any mature, reasoned man would take. If someone attacks me, there is usually a reason. Strange people just don’t walk up to me on the street and punch me in the face. That is just not how life works.

Here is Paul’s statement that set off the idiots:


They don’t attack us because we are free and prosperous…We invade their countries, we occupy their countries, we have bases in their country…not since just 9/11, but we have done that for a long time…it was our…if we don’t understand that we can’t win this war against terrorism.


Oh, how dare you speak the obvious! This is a Republican debate, thinker! A good-looking retard named Mitt was the first to respond.


Unfortunately Ron, you need a thorough understanding of what radical Jihad is, what the movement is, what it’s intent is, where it flows from and the fact that it is trying to bring down, not just us, but it is trying to bring down all moderate, Islamic governments, Western governments around the world.


All? I have missed the attacks on Iceland? Also, Switzerland, Finland, blah, blah, you get the point. It’s a hollow and bullshit argument. The countries that have been attacked have mostly been those whom helped us with Iraq and Afghanistan. What the terrorists are trying to do is bring down governments that are not moderate, like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Egypt. You know, the dictatorships that the US props up. Anyone who is using just 1% of his or her brain should know this.

Mitt then goes into a rant in which he says we should thank George Bush for keeping us safe. Just ignore the horrible attacks on our allies, Spain and England, as well as the many Australians targeted and killed in Bali.

That’s when old, lazy Fred Thompson jumps in and brags about his experience and nearly fingers himself because of it. All his experience has apparently taught him that crazy Muslims are bad. Whodda thunk?

Thank God Rudy was there to set everyone straight.


Ron’s analysis is seriously flawed. The idea that the attack took place because of American foreign policy is precisely the reason I handed back a $10 million dollar check to a Saudi prince, who gave me that money at ground zero for the Twin Towers Fund and then put out a press release saying America should change its foreign policy.


Wow, you gave back $10 million dollars because somebody said we should change our foreign policy, and actually have the nerve to brag about your moronic, heinous decision? For those of you who don’t know what the Twin Towers Fund is:


The Twin Towers Fund is providing assistance and support to grieving family members of those personnel from the New York City Fire Department and its Emergency Medical Services Command, the New York City Police Department, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the New York State Office of Court Administration and other government offices.


Only a great, educated, selfless man would turn down $10 million dollars for families of dead rescue workers because the donator said the US should take a look at its foreign policy. He rejected money for grieving families because of a TRUTHFUL comment. Rudy Giuliani is a viper. Thank God he wasn't done.


It is an existential threat. It has nothing to do with our policy…our foreign policy is irrelevant, totally irrelevant.


That is pretty much the psychotic view of things, yes. He a stain on face of the Earth and someone needs to get a sponge.

It is over? No fucking way. Ron Paul then attempts to explain to the idiots why foreigners, who suffer at the hands of our foreign policy, are upset because we attempt to force our beliefs on them. Romney calmly lets us know why he is retarded again.


Ron, you’re reading their propaganda.

(Giuliani cackles)


Rudy cackles! Because it’s fun! It is fun how crazy Ron Paul is being with his well thought out criticisms of our foreign policy and his belief that there is usually a cause for violent attacks. Calling the truth propaganda is pretty much all we can expect from “Republicans” these days. Romney then makes a statement that causes me to shit on myself.


It has nothing to do with us, when they kill Madam Bhutto.


Are you fucking kidding me? You want to be our president, you hideous, retarded fuck? You have just made a statement about an assassination, as if it was fact, for which there is no proof. No evidence exists to back up this claim. None. You are a liar and a deviant and very, very dangerous. Also, you are retarded.

Then Fred Thompson jumps back in with some really important questions:


Fred: Whom did we invade before 9/11?

Paul: We were occupying.

Fred: (mocking) Occupying.

Paul: We have air bases in Saudi Arabia.

Fred: (mocking) Air bases.


Jesus. Fucking. Christ. WE DO HAVE AIR BASES. Here is a grown man, running for president of the United States, mocking the truth. MOCKING. The US bases in Saudi Arabia have been the number one recruiting tool for al Qaeda, or at least they were until the war in Iraq. Maybe dipshit should have learned that when he was getting all that “experience” as a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. It’s okay to read, even if you are an actor.

Are we done yet? Sadly, no. Huckabee then breaks down the problem in a way his Christian minions will understand: Islamofascism. Which, is, uh, something that does not exist. It is not real. There are no Islamofascists. There are radical Muslims and there are fascists, but there is no such thing as an Islamofascist. Huckabee is a retarded moron.


There is nothing about our attacking them that prompts this. They are prompted by the fact that they believe that they must establish a worldwide caliphate that has nothing to do with us, other than the fact that we live and breath and their intention is to destroy us.


Well, thanks for that, Innocent the Third. You don’t mind if I call you a fucking tool, right? This is an embarrassing position for any man running for president of the United States to take. It is so completely void of thought and reason that it is shocking.

Last week’s debate was disturbing to watch. It is amazing to witness five men speaking to one man like he is a fool, when he is actually correct. And I don’t for a minute believe that any of these clowns actually believe they are speaking the truth. They cannot. Because any man who has achieved the amount of power they have is not a moron. They are only taking this position because they have polled the base and they are catering to their ignorant beliefs, instead of explaining the truth. That is the opposite of a leader. These men are cowards.

Enjoy their brains.



We should greatly fear the day one of these assholes takes over the White House.

 

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Postblank

Postblank

New Brunswick, NJ
June 2004

JAN 10, 2008 01:20 PM

malkav11 said:

Postblank said:
Ron Paul finally said something that made logical sense and he got lambasted for it. This is almost as bad as people laughing at Kucinich for saying he saw an unidentified flying object.



I don't see how those situations compare at all. A presidential candidate talking seriously about UFOs is pretty damn funny. A presidential candidate pointing out the obvious and getting yelled at as wrong is something entirely different.


UFO != Alien spacecraft

comrade

comrade

Portland, OR
April 2004

JAN 10, 2008 01:47 PM


People who have no food, no land, no security, no job, and no money are easy prey for militant factions who offer them food, structure, and a meaning to their existence, regardless of whether the faction is tribal, nationalist, religious, ethnic, or other.



Clearly, this is true. But among the hijackers on 9/11 were people with university degrees, some of which had actually been recruited at university. Sam Harris said it better than I can:



"It is worth remembering that the September 11 hijackers were college-educated, middle-class people who had no discernible experience of political oppression. They did, however, spend a remarkable amount of time at their local mosque talking about the depravity of infidels and about the pleasures that await martyrs in Paradise. How many more architects and engineers must hit the wall at four hundred miles an hour before we admit to ourselves that jihadist violence is not merely a matter of education, poverty, or politics? The truth, astonishingly enough, is this: in the year 2006, a person can have sufficient intellectual and material resources to build a nuclear bomb and still believe that he will get seventy-two virgins in Paradise. Western secularists, liberals, and moderates have been very slow to understand this. The cause of their confusion is simple: they don't know what it is like to really believe in God." (pp. 82-83)

ThatTalentedHack

ThatTalentedHack

San Antonio, TX
July 2007

JAN 10, 2008 02:38 PM

Their countries religious nutjobs sound just like our countries religious nutjobs:
"Their unbelievers have attacked our homeland because they don't like our religion!"

while such sweeping statements about religion truly are dangerous and uneducated, you really cant disagree with the fact that a handful of zealots from both religions has perpetuated centuries of violence regardless of any other inciting factors.

comrade said:
I rarely find myself saying this, but both sides have some truth to them. I agree with the fact that we're being singled out by Islamic terrorists for our foreign policy. We have a pretty good idea of the way the recruitment speech goes (they aren't very shy, those terrorists), and that's one of the big selling points.

However, I wouldn't want anyone to forget that religious fundamentalism is a huge part of the problem. I don't want to pull some bullshit figure out of my ass like "50%," but I'd say it's more than just a contributing factor. These people really do believe that they have a moral imperative from the creator of the universe to unite all humans under a Muslim caliphate. They really do believe that if they martyr themselves then they will get to bang 72 ever-virgins for eternity. They believe that Allah gave them that land, and they have to protect it from "infidels" at all costs.

They will not compromise on those beliefs because religious fundamentalists just don't do compromise. Their beliefs aren't based on reason, so reasoning between them is impossible. What's left, most of the time, is violence.


comrade

comrade

Portland, OR
April 2004

JAN 10, 2008 02:42 PM


Their countries religious nutjobs sound just like our countries religious nutjobs:
"Their unbelievers have attacked our homeland because they don't like our religion!"



Well put.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

JAN 10, 2008 02:55 PM

FearTheReaper said:
The US bases in Saudi Arabia [used to be] the number one recruiting tool for al Qaeda, or at least they were until the war in Iraq.



Just a minor correction: We did have an air base in Saudi Arabia up until a few years ago; the American installation on Prince Sultan Air Base was mothballed a few years ago due to political pressure on the Saudi government. It's really irrelevant though, because now we have air bases in Oman, Kuwait, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Turkey.

I just thought I'd point this out before a right-winger shows up to say, "nah-uh" in any attempt to take the reality of the situation out of context.

thefreak

thefreak

NEWSWIRE

Gardner, MA

JAN 10, 2008 03:17 PM

MrCrisp said:
i can't believe i'm saying this, but i agree with ron paul.

fuuuuuuck




-TM

blindmender

blindmender

Winona, OH
November 2007

JAN 10, 2008 03:30 PM

Republicans are the only ones available with real answers to the nations problems, and the worlds problems.
Liberals, I mean Democrats create a problem and then pretend that they fixed it by some magical Government solution, then tell the world how great they are.

Republicans fix problems and then leave them selves nothing to run on. As quoted by "Ann Coulter."

It happens every time, it's like watching the weather, Dems get in office, then it takes the republicans 8 years to fix their predecessors mess.

Liberals are like the boy who cried wolf, before long nobody's going to fall for your whining bull crap anymore. (Hillery, Obama)

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

Kearney, NE
May 2006

JAN 10, 2008 03:34 PM

blindmender said:
Republicans are the only ones available with real answers to the nations problems, and the worlds problems.
Liberals, I mean Democrats create a problem and then pretend that they fixed it by some magical Government solution, then tell the world how great they are.

Republicans fix problems and then leave them selves nothing to run on. As quoted by "Ann Coulter."

It happens every time, it's like watching the weather, Dems get in office, then it takes the republicans 8 years to fix their predecessors mess.

Liberals are like the boy who cried wolf, before long nobody's going to fall for your whining bull crap anymore. (Hillery, Obama)



Holy Fuck, someone actually referenced Ann Coulter in a non-ironic way. The world is ending.

Sir, may I ask you for some facts, or are you simply throwing out unsubstantiated slogans?

formerviking

formerviking

Denver, PA
May 2006

JAN 10, 2008 03:36 PM

blindmender said:
Republicans are the only ones available with real answers to the nations problems, and the worlds problems.
Liberals, I mean Democrats create a problem and then pretend that they fixed it by some magical Government solution, then tell the world how great they are.

Republicans fix problems and then leave them selves nothing to run on. As quoted by "Ann Coulter."

It happens every time, it's like watching the weather, Dems get in office, then it takes the republicans 8 years to fix their predecessors mess.

Liberals are like the boy who cried wolf, before long nobody's going to fall for your whining bull crap anymore. (Hillery, Obama)



Not to sound ignorant or anything , but where the fuck have you been the last 7 years ? Have you paid any attention to what the asshat in charge of this country has done ?
Know what , I'm just going to leave the thread now & let everyone else tear you apart .

thefreak

thefreak

NEWSWIRE

Gardner, MA

JAN 10, 2008 03:39 PM

coyotemike said:

blindmender said:
Republicans are the only ones available with real answers to the nations problems, and the worlds problems.
Liberals, I mean Democrats create a problem and then pretend that they fixed it by some magical Government solution, then tell the world how great they are.

Republicans fix problems and then leave them selves nothing to run on. As quoted by "Ann Coulter."

It happens every time, it's like watching the weather, Dems get in office, then it takes the republicans 8 years to fix their predecessors mess.

Liberals are like the boy who cried wolf, before long nobody's going to fall for your whining bull crap anymore. (Hillery, Obama)


Holy Fuck, someone actually referenced Ann Coulter in a non-ironic way. The world is ending.

Sir, may I ask you for some facts, or are you simply throwing out unsubstantiated slogans?


Not to mention poor grammar.

-TM

Uncognitive

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY
May 2003

JAN 10, 2008 03:40 PM

blindmender said:
Republicans fix problems and then leave them selves nothing to run on. As quoted by "Ann Coulter."

It happens every time, it's like watching the weather, Dems get in office, then it takes the republicans 8 years to fix their predecessors mess.



Please, share with me some of the problems that Republicans have fixed, especially those caused by Democrats.

Oh, and why are there quotes around Ann Coulter's name? Is she officially fictional now?

DownNeck

DownNeck

Bloomfield, NJ
March 2006

JAN 10, 2008 03:45 PM

Kohai said:

DownNeck said:

comrade said:
I'm not trying to suggest that all Muslims are out to get us by any means, but I don't see how you can deny that fundamentalism is an inextricable part of this conflict. Groups like al-Qaeda are fighting for more than land, they're fighting for religion. Do you think we would see the same number of suicide bombers if there were no fundamentalists in Iraq? Do you think that the hijackers on 9/11 were motivated purely by geopolitics?

I'm not saying that "they hate us for our freedom," I think they do hate us for our actions in the middle-east. In that, I don't entirely blame them. But their tactics, their resolve, and their ultimate goals all stem from their religion.



i have to agree



I disagree.

People who have no food, no land, no security, no job, and no money are easy prey for militant factions who offer them food, structure, and a meaning to their existence, regardless of whether the faction is tribal, nationalist, religious, ethnic, or other. Without these people, fundamentalist recruiters are a bunch a whacko jagoffs pissing and moaning on street corners. With an endless supply of desperate poor, fundamentalist recruiters can stymie the strongest military on earth. Given the choice of belonging to nothing, having nothing, and being nothing, people will choose almost any alternative. Fundamentalisms will flow downhill, along strong pre-existing cultural channels, but it is the Fundamentalist, not the Islamist, which is the issue.



have you ever tried getting an atheist to blow himself up because you gave him a sandwich?

it's not easy

Rafi

Rafi

Santa Monica, CA
January 2003

JAN 10, 2008 03:51 PM

blindmender said:
Republicans are the only ones available with real answers to the nations problems, and the worlds problems.



Well for the love of God, someone tell them to start using those answers, instead of the ones where we end up with our civil liberties, foreign policy and economy in the toilet!

Bonaparte

Bonaparte

Fort Worth, TX
September 2006

JAN 10, 2008 03:56 PM

*beats head against desk*

_Margot_

_Margot_

Santa Monica, CA
December 2007

JAN 10, 2008 03:59 PM

DownNeck said:

Kohai said:

DownNeck said:

comrade said:
I'm not trying to suggest that all Muslims are out to get us by any means, but I don't see how you can deny that fundamentalism is an inextricable part of this conflict. Groups like al-Qaeda are fighting for more than land, they're fighting for religion. Do you think we would see the same number of suicide bombers if there were no fundamentalists in Iraq? Do you think that the hijackers on 9/11 were motivated purely by geopolitics?

I'm not saying that "they hate us for our freedom," I think they do hate us for our actions in the middle-east. In that, I don't entirely blame them. But their tactics, their resolve, and their ultimate goals all stem from their religion.



i have to agree



I disagree.

People who have no food, no land, no security, no job, and no money are easy prey for militant factions who offer them food, structure, and a meaning to their existence, regardless of whether the faction is tribal, nationalist, religious, ethnic, or other. Without these people, fundamentalist recruiters are a bunch a whacko jagoffs pissing and moaning on street corners. With an endless supply of desperate poor, fundamentalist recruiters can stymie the strongest military on earth. Given the choice of belonging to nothing, having nothing, and being nothing, people will choose almost any alternative. Fundamentalisms will flow downhill, along strong pre-existing cultural channels, but it is the Fundamentalist, not the Islamist, which is the issue.



have you ever tried getting an atheist to blow himself up because you gave him a sandwich?

it's not easy



Did you even read what Kohai wrote?

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