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Last week the Republicans held two debates. To say it was like watching aliens would be an understatement. This could be the most idiotic group of men ever to run for the White House. Their understanding of the world is childlike and their solutions even more so. When one of these men is elected (steals) to the presidency, we are completely fucked as a nation. I do not see how we could possibly survive another four years of this ignorant bullshit.

They have no intention of moving away from the great policies of George Bush, because obviously he has done such an awesome job. It is completely baffling that five adults can sit on stage during a debate, in the year 2008, and argue over who backs the president more. Now, I expect stupidity from these fucking morons and I am rarely disturbed by their caveman grunts and screams, but when the topic turned to terrorism and they ganged up on poor Ron Paul, I kind of lost it.

Don’t get me wrong; I think Ron Paul is an idiot. Besides his views of foreign policy, he may be the most moronic of them all. Yet, he is very intelligent and thoughtful when it comes to foreign policy.

Ron Paul made the mistake of pointing out that we should take responsibility for our policies that led to 9/11. Seems like a position that any mature, reasoned man would take. If someone attacks me, there is usually a reason. Strange people just don’t walk up to me on the street and punch me in the face. That is just not how life works.

Here is Paul’s statement that set off the idiots:


They don’t attack us because we are free and prosperous…We invade their countries, we occupy their countries, we have bases in their country…not since just 9/11, but we have done that for a long time…it was our…if we don’t understand that we can’t win this war against terrorism.


Oh, how dare you speak the obvious! This is a Republican debate, thinker! A good-looking retard named Mitt was the first to respond.


Unfortunately Ron, you need a thorough understanding of what radical Jihad is, what the movement is, what it’s intent is, where it flows from and the fact that it is trying to bring down, not just us, but it is trying to bring down all moderate, Islamic governments, Western governments around the world.


All? I have missed the attacks on Iceland? Also, Switzerland, Finland, blah, blah, you get the point. It’s a hollow and bullshit argument. The countries that have been attacked have mostly been those whom helped us with Iraq and Afghanistan. What the terrorists are trying to do is bring down governments that are not moderate, like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Egypt. You know, the dictatorships that the US props up. Anyone who is using just 1% of his or her brain should know this.

Mitt then goes into a rant in which he says we should thank George Bush for keeping us safe. Just ignore the horrible attacks on our allies, Spain and England, as well as the many Australians targeted and killed in Bali.

That’s when old, lazy Fred Thompson jumps in and brags about his experience and nearly fingers himself because of it. All his experience has apparently taught him that crazy Muslims are bad. Whodda thunk?

Thank God Rudy was there to set everyone straight.


Ron’s analysis is seriously flawed. The idea that the attack took place because of American foreign policy is precisely the reason I handed back a $10 million dollar check to a Saudi prince, who gave me that money at ground zero for the Twin Towers Fund and then put out a press release saying America should change its foreign policy.


Wow, you gave back $10 million dollars because somebody said we should change our foreign policy, and actually have the nerve to brag about your moronic, heinous decision? For those of you who don’t know what the Twin Towers Fund is:


The Twin Towers Fund is providing assistance and support to grieving family members of those personnel from the New York City Fire Department and its Emergency Medical Services Command, the New York City Police Department, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the New York State Office of Court Administration and other government offices.


Only a great, educated, selfless man would turn down $10 million dollars for families of dead rescue workers because the donator said the US should take a look at its foreign policy. He rejected money for grieving families because of a TRUTHFUL comment. Rudy Giuliani is a viper. Thank God he wasn't done.


It is an existential threat. It has nothing to do with our policy…our foreign policy is irrelevant, totally irrelevant.


That is pretty much the psychotic view of things, yes. He a stain on face of the Earth and someone needs to get a sponge.

It is over? No fucking way. Ron Paul then attempts to explain to the idiots why foreigners, who suffer at the hands of our foreign policy, are upset because we attempt to force our beliefs on them. Romney calmly lets us know why he is retarded again.


Ron, you’re reading their propaganda.

(Giuliani cackles)


Rudy cackles! Because it’s fun! It is fun how crazy Ron Paul is being with his well thought out criticisms of our foreign policy and his belief that there is usually a cause for violent attacks. Calling the truth propaganda is pretty much all we can expect from “Republicans” these days. Romney then makes a statement that causes me to shit on myself.


It has nothing to do with us, when they kill Madam Bhutto.


Are you fucking kidding me? You want to be our president, you hideous, retarded fuck? You have just made a statement about an assassination, as if it was fact, for which there is no proof. No evidence exists to back up this claim. None. You are a liar and a deviant and very, very dangerous. Also, you are retarded.

Then Fred Thompson jumps back in with some really important questions:


Fred: Whom did we invade before 9/11?

Paul: We were occupying.

Fred: (mocking) Occupying.

Paul: We have air bases in Saudi Arabia.

Fred: (mocking) Air bases.


Jesus. Fucking. Christ. WE DO HAVE AIR BASES. Here is a grown man, running for president of the United States, mocking the truth. MOCKING. The US bases in Saudi Arabia have been the number one recruiting tool for al Qaeda, or at least they were until the war in Iraq. Maybe dipshit should have learned that when he was getting all that “experience” as a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. It’s okay to read, even if you are an actor.

Are we done yet? Sadly, no. Huckabee then breaks down the problem in a way his Christian minions will understand: Islamofascism. Which, is, uh, something that does not exist. It is not real. There are no Islamofascists. There are radical Muslims and there are fascists, but there is no such thing as an Islamofascist. Huckabee is a retarded moron.


There is nothing about our attacking them that prompts this. They are prompted by the fact that they believe that they must establish a worldwide caliphate that has nothing to do with us, other than the fact that we live and breath and their intention is to destroy us.


Well, thanks for that, Innocent the Third. You don’t mind if I call you a fucking tool, right? This is an embarrassing position for any man running for president of the United States to take. It is so completely void of thought and reason that it is shocking.

Last week’s debate was disturbing to watch. It is amazing to witness five men speaking to one man like he is a fool, when he is actually correct. And I don’t for a minute believe that any of these clowns actually believe they are speaking the truth. They cannot. Because any man who has achieved the amount of power they have is not a moron. They are only taking this position because they have polled the base and they are catering to their ignorant beliefs, instead of explaining the truth. That is the opposite of a leader. These men are cowards.

Enjoy their brains.



We should greatly fear the day one of these assholes takes over the White House.

 

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hk85

hk85

Guerneville, CA
October 2007

JAN 10, 2008 10:19 AM


Enjoy their brains.



No thanks, I'll take your word for it, I just ate something and don't feel like getting sick right now.

wereduck

wereduck

I'm lost
July 2007

JAN 10, 2008 10:22 AM

-If you're against Ron Paul: you hate freedom and liberty (according to certain Paul supporters)
-If you're with Ron Paul: you hate freedom and liberty (according to the other Republican nominees)

surreal Compute? surreal

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JAN 10, 2008 10:33 AM

we3_pirate said:
-If you're against Ron Paul: you hate freedom and liberty (according to certain Paul supporters)
-If you're with Ron Paul: you hate freedom and liberty (according to the other Republican nominees)

surreal Compute? surreal


An easy solution presents itself: Republicans of any stripe hate freedom and liberty.

Postblank

Postblank

New Brunswick, NJ
June 2004

JAN 10, 2008 10:37 AM

we3_pirate said:
-If you're against Ron Paul: you hate freedom and liberty (according to certain Paul supporters)
-If you're with Ron Paul: you hate freedom and liberty (according to the other Republican nominees)

surreal Compute? surreal



"Freedom" and "Liberty" are just buzzwords for political campaigns. People that tell you about freedom and liberty are more often than not slaves to their own expectations, jobs, spouses, religions, parents, children, political ideologues, et cetera.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

Charleston, SC
August 2004

JAN 10, 2008 10:38 AM

Zarth said:

we3_pirate said:
-If you're against Ron Paul: you hate freedom and liberty (according to certain Paul supporters)
-If you're with Ron Paul: you hate freedom and liberty (according to the other Republican nominees)

surreal Compute? surreal


An easy solution presents itself: Republicans of any stripe hate freedom and liberty.



now, see, that makes perfect sense. thanks for clearing it all up. biggrin

comrade

comrade

Portland, OR
April 2004

JAN 10, 2008 11:01 AM

I rarely find myself saying this, but both sides have some truth to them. I agree with the fact that we're being singled out by Islamic terrorists for our foreign policy. We have a pretty good idea of the way the recruitment speech goes (they aren't very shy, those terrorists), and that's one of the big selling points.

However, I wouldn't want anyone to forget that religious fundamentalism is a huge part of the problem. I don't want to pull some bullshit figure out of my ass like "50%," but I'd say it's more than just a contributing factor. These people really do believe that they have a moral imperative from the creator of the universe to unite all humans under a Muslim caliphate. They really do believe that if they martyr themselves then they will get to bang 72 ever-virgins for eternity. They believe that Allah gave them that land, and they have to protect it from "infidels" at all costs.

They will not compromise on those beliefs because religious fundamentalists just don't do compromise. Their beliefs aren't based on reason, so reasoning between them is impossible. What's left, most of the time, is violence.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Christmas Island
August 2005

JAN 10, 2008 11:10 AM

s5 said:

FearTheReaper said:
Don't get me wrong; I think Ron Paul is an idiot. Besides his views of foreign policy, he may be the most moronic of them all. Yet, he is very intelligent and thoughtful when it comes to foreign policy.



Ron Paul is also an idiot on foreign policy, which is comprised of topics other than 9/11 and the Iraq war. His fantasy-land isolationist views just happened to lead him to the correct conclusion on Iraq, like a broken clock that's right twice each day. Any politician who believes the world would be a more peaceful and prosperous place if only we didn't have those pesky international institutions is truly not grasping the world we live in today.



yup.


That's all I got.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

JAN 10, 2008 11:22 AM

Postblank said:
Ron Paul finally said something that made logical sense and he got lambasted for it. This is almost as bad as people laughing at Kucinich for saying he saw an unidentified flying object.



I don't see how those situations compare at all. A presidential candidate talking seriously about UFOs is pretty damn funny. A presidential candidate pointing out the obvious and getting yelled at as wrong is something entirely different.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JAN 10, 2008 11:31 AM

comrade said:
I rarely find myself saying this, but both sides have some truth to them. I agree with the fact that we're being singled out by Islamic terrorists for our foreign policy. We have a pretty good idea of the way the recruitment speech goes (they aren't very shy, those terrorists), and that's one of the big selling points.

However, I wouldn't want anyone to forget that religious fundamentalism is a huge part of the problem. I don't want to pull some bullshit figure out of my ass like "50%," but I'd say it's more than just a contributing factor. These people really do believe that they have a moral imperative from the creator of the universe to unite all humans under a Muslim caliphate. They really do believe that if they martyr themselves then they will get to bang 72 ever-virgins for eternity. They believe that Allah gave them that land, and they have to protect it from "infidels" at all costs.

They will not compromise on those beliefs because religious fundamentalists just don't do compromise. Their beliefs aren't based on reason, so reasoning between them is impossible. What's left, most of the time, is violence.



You are wrong. You are repeating commonly-held misconceptions created by propaganda spread by right-wing warmongers. It is not truth.

There are extremists in all walks of life, but suggesting that anger toward the US from Muslims is indicative of a widespread belief in martyrdom for the sake of a worldwide Muslim caliphate is simply wrong. It is no more true than suggesting that American soldiers are actually (all of them) agents of the white power movement or agents of religious extremists trying to spread Christianity. It is false; untrue; not at all accurate. Furthermore, this misconception leads to a horrible logical conclusion: since they hate us all and want to kill us, we have to kill them, and then they, in turn, take the same approach (since they all hate us and want to kill us, we have to kill them), and we end up with the fucking Crusades all over again.

Please stop saying this. It is wrong, counterproductive, and dangerous.

GonzoChaote

GonzoChaote

Vancouver, BC
March 2007

JAN 10, 2008 11:38 AM

comrade said:
However, I wouldn't want anyone to forget that religious fundamentalism is a huge part of the problem.



How exactly do you propose that anyone is going to forget about Islamic fundamentalism? It's the number one foreign policy talking point in the GOP.

OneWithAll

OneWithAll

Charlton City, MA
October 2005

JAN 10, 2008 11:40 AM

i had to stop watching at Romney's first snicker with body language

what's so fucking wrong with honesty!?!

o yeah....it's not a good cash cow frown

comrade

comrade

Portland, OR
April 2004

JAN 10, 2008 11:46 AM

I'm not trying to suggest that all Muslims are out to get us by any means, but I don't see how you can deny that fundamentalism is an inextricable part of this conflict. Groups like al-Qaeda are fighting for more than land, they're fighting for religion. Do you think we would see the same number of suicide bombers if there were no fundamentalists in Iraq? Do you think that the hijackers on 9/11 were motivated purely by geopolitics?

I'm not saying that "they hate us for our freedom," I think they do hate us for our actions in the middle-east. In that, I don't entirely blame them. But their tactics, their resolve, and their ultimate goals all stem from their religion.

DownNeck

DownNeck

Bloomfield, NJ
March 2006

JAN 10, 2008 12:07 PM

comrade said:
I'm not trying to suggest that all Muslims are out to get us by any means, but I don't see how you can deny that fundamentalism is an inextricable part of this conflict. Groups like al-Qaeda are fighting for more than land, they're fighting for religion. Do you think we would see the same number of suicide bombers if there were no fundamentalists in Iraq? Do you think that the hijackers on 9/11 were motivated purely by geopolitics?

I'm not saying that "they hate us for our freedom," I think they do hate us for our actions in the middle-east. In that, I don't entirely blame them. But their tactics, their resolve, and their ultimate goals all stem from their religion.



i have to agree

Kohai

Kohai

I'm lost
October 2006

JAN 10, 2008 12:56 PM

DownNeck said:

comrade said:
I'm not trying to suggest that all Muslims are out to get us by any means, but I don't see how you can deny that fundamentalism is an inextricable part of this conflict. Groups like al-Qaeda are fighting for more than land, they're fighting for religion. Do you think we would see the same number of suicide bombers if there were no fundamentalists in Iraq? Do you think that the hijackers on 9/11 were motivated purely by geopolitics?

I'm not saying that "they hate us for our freedom," I think they do hate us for our actions in the middle-east. In that, I don't entirely blame them. But their tactics, their resolve, and their ultimate goals all stem from their religion.



i have to agree



I disagree.

People who have no food, no land, no security, no job, and no money are easy prey for militant factions who offer them food, structure, and a meaning to their existence, regardless of whether the faction is tribal, nationalist, religious, ethnic, or other. Without these people, fundamentalist recruiters are a bunch a whacko jagoffs pissing and moaning on street corners. With an endless supply of desperate poor, fundamentalist recruiters can stymie the strongest military on earth. Given the choice of belonging to nothing, having nothing, and being nothing, people will choose almost any alternative. Fundamentalisms will flow downhill, along strong pre-existing cultural channels, but it is the Fundamentalist, not the Islamist, which is the issue.

Salome

Salome

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

JAN 10, 2008 01:18 PM

*puts head back in sand and hopes when she pulls it out in November we will have a president with above-average IQ*

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