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Anti Immigrant Crowd Full Of Shit On The Medical Front

FRIDAY DECEMBER 14 2007 9:00 AM

Submitted by FearTheReaper. Edited By erin_broadley.

TAGS: Illegal Immigration, Health Care

Ah, the dirty illegal immigrant. They are responsible for all of the horrible problems facing our nation today and will soon become the Republicans talking point for the �08 elections. Never mind that the issue usually polls fifth or lower on American�s most important issues, they are brown and most importantly, they can�t defend themselves. The perfect target. What illegal immigrant will be appearing on "Larry King Live" or "20/20" to make their case? Turns out, none. Unfortunately, these pesky things called facts keep getting in the way of the immigrant hating kids arguments. The biggest fallacy is that illegal immigrants are the biggest problem facing our health care system.

The costs of medical care for immigrants are staggering.

Well, that is a load of bullshit. Just take a look at this UCLA study released last month.

Illegal immigrants from Mexico and other Latin American countries are 50% less likely than U.S.-born Latinos to use hospital emergency rooms in California, according to a study published Monday in the journal Archives of Internal Medicine.

But�but�they are brown and bad. Turns out illegal immigrants don�t like to go to hospitals or doctors because�they are illegal immigrants. Seems they don�t being asked for ID cards, Social Security numbers and their employment history. How any retard could not have figured that out is beyond me. They live in fear, the last place they want to go is to a hospital and answer questions.

"The current policy discourse that undocumented immigrants are a burden on the public because they overuse public resources is not borne out with data, for either primary care or emergency department care," said Alexander N. Ortega, an associate professor at UCLA's School of Public Health and the study's lead author. "In fact, they seem to be underutilizing the system, given their health needs."

Last year RAND also published a study that indicated illegal immigrants are not as costly as everyone seems to think they are.

A Rand Corp. study published last year in the journal Health Affairs put the cost of healthcare for illegal immigrants nationwide at $1.1 billion a year, excluding care for those younger than 18 and older than 64.

That�s about 11 bucks per household. Now, how much money do you think you save from their cheap labor?

Another 2005 study came to the same conclusion.

Immigrants in the U.S. receive surprisingly little health care - 55% less than native-born Americans -according to a Harvard/Columbia University study that appears in the current issue of the American Journal of Public Health. Immigrant children received particularly low levels of care, 74% less overall than other children.

Another reason we don�t spend very much on illegal immigrants is because we only give them bare minimum care. Due to 1986 Medicaid reforms, illegal immigrants can only receive emergency care that is� necessary to stabilize a patient.� After that, they have to pay. So, basically, we pick up the tab for care that keeps them alive and nothing else.

Oh, and illegal immigrants also pay taxes. What? Yeah, you heard me, you unread donkey. They pay taxes. According to a new Congressional Budget Office report on health care and immigration, illegal immigrants also get hit by the tax man.

The CBO reports that in 2004, undocumented immigrants in Iowa paid between $45.5 million and $70.9 million in state income and sales taxes and New Mexico collected $69 million in income, property, and sales taxes from undocumented immigrants in 2006. Immigrant payment of sales tax is especially important, because it reimburses state and local governments.

They also kick some serious pesos into Social Security and Medicare � and they won�t see a fucking dime of that money.

The estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.

In 2004, illegal immigrants contributions came to 10 percent of that year�s surplus. But you keep crying about the brown people, while they work so you can sit your fat ass down at the age of 65. The CBO concluded that between 50 and 75 percent of unauthorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes, which means 25 to 50 percent do not. Not exactly what we are led to believe by the anti-immigrant lunatics, is it? Meanwhile,

16.3 percent of Americans are taking a pass on paying taxes. I wonder how many of them complain about illegal immigrants?

You�re going to hear a lot from the Republicans about how horrible illegal immigrants are over the next few months. They are the new gay marriage. They are going to be portrayed as evil, little, welfare queens who are overwhelming our system. But as far as medical care goes, know they are pretty full of shit.

Take a look at who is really skyrocketing the cost of our health care:

A record 47 million Americans did not have health insurance last year, while the percentage of children without insurance rose for a second consecutive year, according to US Census Bureau data released yesterday

Yeah, 47 million Americans is a tad bit more than 10 million illegal immigrants, especially when you factor in the above study claiming illegal immigrants are 50% less likely to seek out care. So, shut your fucking clown holes and fix the real problem first. Then you get to go after the smaller problems.

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inkonnu

United Kingdom

November 2007

DEC 16, 2007 11:21 AM

SockPuppet said:
Just for any non-Britons who may not be aware: The Mail may be national, but it's not reputable. It survives on a conspiracy of outrage; usually against anyone not English, and the Labour Party. Its agenda is anti-immigrant, anti-Europe, anti-gay, pro-Tory, anti-feminist, anti-NHS, pro-discrimination. It is a classic example of the provision of external enemies.

Are you saying that the story is false?
Sorry, but I originally read the story in the Eastern Daily Press, but could not find an online version of that article to link to, so that was the only alternative. Sorry it's not left-wing enough for you.

Zarth

Seattle, WA

December 2004

DEC 16, 2007 11:24 AM

inkonnu said:

Zarth said:
Oh, right. That second part totally negates the first part, which was the part I actually took issue with, anyway, and hence was the only part that was actually relevant to our dispute.

Not really. The first part is a simple statement of fact: Such signage does not give people an incentive to learn the primary language of the country. The second part, was an explanation as to why people are affronted by such signage, ie it creates an impression that the immigrants do not want to assimilate, so can lead to feelings of 'abused/rejected hospitality', which have nothing to do with the ethnicity or race of the immigrants, but one of social politeness. You asked why people would be affronted by such signage, and that was the answer.

That's astonishingly pathetic hedging. But if there's one thing this conversation has demonstrated to me, it's that your capacities for misreading reality and revising history are evidently boundless. Enjoy yourself with it.

inkonnu said:

Zarth said:
Don't give up hope. Maybe a Pole or Latvian will take your dishwashing job away and force you get an education.

Oh dear, reduced to making assumptions. Hate to break it to you, but I don't wash dishes for a living...

Oh, dear, reduced to not being able to comprehend a joke. I hate to break it to you, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

For the record, washing dishes is what a lot of illegal immigrants do here (to the point where being able to speak Spanish is considered an important skill for kitchen work), along with landscaping, domestic service, and construction.

inkonnu

United Kingdom

November 2007

DEC 16, 2007 11:31 AM

Zarth said:That's astonishingly pathetic hedging. But if there's one thing this conversation has demonstrated to me, it's that your capacities for misreading reality and revising history are evidently boundless. Enjoy yourself with it.

In what way is it hedging? You said that there was no rational reason for people to be affronted by such signage, I provided a perfectly valid reason why people might be affronted, ie it creates a certain (false) impression, and that impression is what people can react negatively to. You might not personally agree with that reason, but that does not invalidate it. It simply means we have a difference of opinion.

Given your comments about your lack of feeling about the issue, why bother posting on it?

Zarth said:
Oh, dear, reduced to not being able to comprehend a joke. I hate to break it to you, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

Sorry, but I'd take it as a joke if there had been some kind of emoticon or other indication of tone, because it came across as an insult. As for no idea what I'm talking about, that's just your opinion.

wildswan

I'm lost

June 2006

DEC 16, 2007 11:35 AM

Tangent:

The illegal immigrant crowd is more than full of shit, on a number of fronts.

The recent story of a man called Joe Horn being heralded as a hero for shooting, and killing, two escaping burglars (who were found to be illegals) in the back, is an example of the calloused "they're like cockroaches" attitude toward 'undocumenteds.'

And the attitude, I'm afraid, isn't a minority one.

Coyotemike

Kearney, NE

May 2006

DEC 16, 2007 11:47 AM

^^^ Proves mullets are evil^^^

What is so sad is that it is idiotic bigots like the "person" in the Youtube video are the ones the republican party call their base. Do we really want people that stupid to be the basics of our country? These are people who are afraid of intelligence. They are afraid of things they don't understand, afraid of anything that is different . . . can we deport them instead?

Zarth

Seattle, WA

December 2004

DEC 16, 2007 11:47 AM

inkonnu said:
Given your comments about your lack of feeling about the issue, why bother posting on it?

Because your apologies and rationalizations for bigotry disgust me.

But you're right. I won't change your mind. And in any event, thankfully, I don't even have to deal with you in my country. Just a bunch of people like you.

inkonnu

United Kingdom

November 2007

DEC 16, 2007 12:03 PM

Zarth said:
inkonnu said:
Because your apologies and rationalizations for bigotry disgust me.

Firstly, I have neither apologized for, nor rationalized bigotry. The intent of my post was to illustrate that people's objections to illigal immigrants are not always the result of racial bigotry, as is the insistance of over-opinionated liberals, but in most cases, is down to economic issues. If I did not make that clear, then my apologies. If you refuse to accept the difference between the two issues, then that is your own choice, but ultimately irrelevent as you do not decide what does or does not get considered as a fact on the topic.

Zarth said:
But you're right. I won't change your mind.

Change my mind to what? You have said yourself that you have no real feelings on the issue, so it's not as if you have even put forward a suggestion of an opinion which I might consider and even find more compelling than the ones I have put forth.

Zarth said:
Just a bunch of people like you.

Meaning what? I don't condone or approve of any kind of ethnic or racial bigotry. I've previously mentioned that I have no issue with people who legally emigrate to a country and who follow the rules in doing so, so what precicely are you finding so offensive?

MrZero

Thousand Oaks, CA

May 2003

DEC 16, 2007 12:08 PM

inkonnu is my hero.

...and the article that triggered this wankfest is predicated on a fallacy: there are a hell of a lot more than 10 million illegal aliens in the US. Like 2x to 3x more...

inkonnu

United Kingdom

November 2007

DEC 16, 2007 12:13 PM

wildswan said:
Tangent:

The illegal immigrant crowd is more than full of shit, on a number of fronts.

The recent story of a man called Joe Horn being heralded as a hero for shooting, and killing, two escaping burglars (who were found to be illegals) in the back, is an example of the calloused "they're like cockroaches" attitude toward 'undocumenteds.'

And the attitude, I'm afraid, isn't a minority one.

This reminds me of an incident several years ago in the UK where a man was convicted for shooting two burglars, with a double-barrelled shotgun, as they fleed from his home. According to UK law, he was licenced to own the gun, although UK law does not allow home-owners to shoot burglars, as I beleive US law does. It created very polarized views, as on one hand, people said that as the people were running away, they were not posing a threat to him, so he had no need to fire at them, and on the other hand, people pointed out that had they not burgled his home, he would not have felt the need to shoot them... It'll be interesting to see the outcome of this case, given the differences in the law, and that the people shot were in the country illegally anyway...

inkonnu

United Kingdom

November 2007

DEC 16, 2007 12:14 PM

Double post

inkonnu

United Kingdom

November 2007

DEC 16, 2007 12:15 PM

MrZero said:
inkonnu is my hero.

...and the article that triggered this wankfest is predicated on a fallacy: there are a hell of a lot more than 10 million illegal aliens in the US. Like 2x to 3x more...

Thanks

wildswan

I'm lost

June 2006

DEC 16, 2007 12:17 PM

It's so funny to hear anti-illegal vehemence coming from people who, I'd bet a dollar to a donut, are proud to be thriving off of the spoils of colonial brutality.

wildswan

I'm lost

June 2006

DEC 16, 2007 12:18 PM

inkonnu said:

Thanks

I think you two just wanked each other.

Better get out the tissue.

inkonnu

United Kingdom

November 2007

DEC 16, 2007 12:20 PM

wildswan said:
It's so funny to hear anti-illegal vehemence coming from people who, I'd bet a dollar to a donut, are proud to be thriving off of the spoils of colonial brutality.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you're meaning...

wildswan

I'm lost

June 2006

DEC 16, 2007 12:21 PM

inkonnu said:
[This reminds me of an incident several years ago in the UK where a man was convicted for shooting two burglars, with a double-barrelled shotgun, as they fleed from his home. According to UK law, he was licenced to own the gun, although UK law does not allow home-owners to shoot burglars, as I beleive US law does. It created very polarized views, as on one hand, people said that as the people were running away, they were not posing a threat to him, so he had no need to fire at them, and on the other hand, people pointed out that had they not burgled his home, he would not have felt the need to shoot them... It'll be interesting to see the outcome of this case, given the differences in the law, and that the people shot were in the country illegally anyway...

I'm not at all ambivalent about life trumping property.

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