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  • FRIDAY DECEMBER 14 2007 9:00 AM

Anti Immigrant Crowd Full Of Shit On The Medical Front



Ah, the dirty illegal immigrant. They are responsible for all of the horrible problems facing our nation today and will soon become the Republicans talking point for the ’08 elections. Never mind that the issue usually polls fifth or lower on American’s most important issues, they are brown and most importantly, they can’t defend themselves. The perfect target. What illegal immigrant will be appearing on "Larry King Live" or "20/20" to make their case? Turns out, none. Unfortunately, these pesky things called facts keep getting in the way of the immigrant hating kids arguments. The biggest fallacy is that illegal immigrants are the biggest problem facing our health care system.


The costs of medical care for immigrants are staggering.


Well, that is a load of bullshit. Just take a look at this UCLA study released last month.


Illegal immigrants from Mexico and other Latin American countries are 50% less likely than U.S.-born Latinos to use hospital emergency rooms in California, according to a study published Monday in the journal Archives of Internal Medicine.


But…but…they are brown and bad. Turns out illegal immigrants don’t like to go to hospitals or doctors because…they are illegal immigrants. Seems they don’t being asked for ID cards, Social Security numbers and their employment history. How any retard could not have figured that out is beyond me. They live in fear, the last place they want to go is to a hospital and answer questions.


"The current policy discourse that undocumented immigrants are a burden on the public because they overuse public resources is not borne out with data, for either primary care or emergency department care," said Alexander N. Ortega, an associate professor at UCLA's School of Public Health and the study's lead author. "In fact, they seem to be underutilizing the system, given their health needs."


Last year RAND also published a study that indicated illegal immigrants are not as costly as everyone seems to think they are.


A Rand Corp. study published last year in the journal Health Affairs put the cost of healthcare for illegal immigrants nationwide at $1.1 billion a year, excluding care for those younger than 18 and older than 64.


That’s about 11 bucks per household. Now, how much money do you think you save from their cheap labor?

Another 2005 study came to the same conclusion.


Immigrants in the U.S. receive surprisingly little health care - 55% less than native-born Americans -according to a Harvard/Columbia University study that appears in the current issue of the American Journal of Public Health. Immigrant children received particularly low levels of care, 74% less overall than other children.


Another reason we don’t spend very much on illegal immigrants is because we only give them bare minimum care. Due to 1986 Medicaid reforms, illegal immigrants can only receive emergency care that is” necessary to stabilize a patient.” After that, they have to pay. So, basically, we pick up the tab for care that keeps them alive and nothing else.

Oh, and illegal immigrants also pay taxes. What? Yeah, you heard me, you unread donkey. They pay taxes. According to a new Congressional Budget Office report on health care and immigration, illegal immigrants also get hit by the tax man.


The CBO reports that in 2004, undocumented immigrants in Iowa paid between $45.5 million and $70.9 million in state income and sales taxes and New Mexico collected $69 million in income, property, and sales taxes from undocumented immigrants in 2006. Immigrant payment of sales tax is especially important, because it reimburses state and local governments.


They also kick some serious pesos into Social Security and Medicare – and they won’t see a fucking dime of that money.


The estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.

In 2004, illegal immigrants contributions came to 10 percent of that year’s surplus. But you keep crying about the brown people, while they work so you can sit your fat ass down at the age of 65. The CBO concluded that between 50 and 75 percent of unauthorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes, which means 25 to 50 percent do not. Not exactly what we are led to believe by the anti-immigrant lunatics, is it? Meanwhile,

16.3 percent of Americans are taking a pass on paying taxes. I wonder how many of them complain about illegal immigrants?

You’re going to hear a lot from the Republicans about how horrible illegal immigrants are over the next few months. They are the new gay marriage. They are going to be portrayed as evil, little, welfare queens who are overwhelming our system. But as far as medical care goes, know they are pretty full of shit.

Take a look at who is really skyrocketing the cost of our health care:


A record 47 million Americans did not have health insurance last year, while the percentage of children without insurance rose for a second consecutive year, according to US Census Bureau data released yesterday


Yeah, 47 million Americans is a tad bit more than 10 million illegal immigrants, especially when you factor in the above study claiming illegal immigrants are 50% less likely to seek out care. So, shut your fucking clown holes and fix the real problem first. Then you get to go after the smaller problems.

 

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Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

DEC 24, 2007 11:03 AM

bald_eagle said:

Colinism said:

bald_eagle said:
Whoa! You missed an opportunity to say "When you pry it from my cold, dead hand"? You're certainly in a conciliatory mood, this holiday season. smile



I'll let the man say it himself he is so much better than I am.


Ah, yes. Guns and Moses. love



Well I guess this is a good place for this then.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

DEC 24, 2007 11:08 AM

Colinism said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

bald_eagle said:

Colinism said:

bald_eagle said:
Whoa! You missed an opportunity to say "When you pry it from my cold, dead hand"? You're certainly in a conciliatory mood, this holiday season. smile



I'll let the man say it himself he is so much better than I am.


Ah, yes. Guns and Moses. love

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Well I guess this is a good place for this then.



Fucking classic. biggrin

_margot_

_margot_

Los Angeles, CA
December 2007

DEC 24, 2007 11:41 AM

KUNGFOO said:

Colinism said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

bald_eagle said:

Colinism said:

bald_eagle said:
Whoa! You missed an opportunity to say "When you pry it from my cold, dead hand"? You're certainly in a conciliatory mood, this holiday season. smile



I'll let the man say it himself he is so much better than I am.


Ah, yes. Guns and Moses. love

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Well I guess this is a good place for this then.



Fucking classic. biggrin



Oh man that is fantastic

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

DEC 24, 2007 12:41 PM

lithocarpus said:

wildswan said:
This thread needs a legend.





Bahahaha!

Ascanius

Ascanius

USA
October 2006

DEC 24, 2007 01:12 PM

inkonnu said:

Cunt said:
Actually, you're lying again. In at least one of these statements.

Cunt said:
So what else is new, Spike?


Nothing much, Cunt.



You know, this thread is more fun when you're not in it.

inkonnu

inkonnu

United Kingdom
November 2007

DEC 24, 2007 01:16 PM

oyaji said:
So, to sum up: you are a "Muslim" who bases his understanding of Islam on the Qur'an, except you haven't read the Qur'an, and who believes that most of the "other" billion or so Muslims, almost all of whom are following religious practices that have traditions going back centuries, are "doing it wrong." Is that about everything?

You are a "Muslim" who doesn't do what every other Muslim does, in other words, and who is against every other Muslim, then.

Sounds like no kind of Muslim at all.


You really are pathetic. Who are you, who refuses to even admit what (if any) knowledge of Islam, to say that an English translation of the Holy Qur'an, bound and published under that title, is not the Qur'an, simply because it is not in Arabic? Before you start quoting statistics, maybe you should actually validate them rather than just pulling random figures like 99.9999% from your ass. Not EVERY OTHER Muslim follows sunnah and hadith, and in doing so, they are not following Islam, but Sunnism: A religion based on the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, not the message which he was given, the Holy Qur'an. I am not against those other Muslims, so do not try and create a false conflict, as there is none, I just do not follow their worship and deification of the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. The second sura states that there were many prophets before Muhammad, peace be upon him, and they are all to be treated the same: As messengers. Of course, if you had actually read the Holy Qur'an, you would know that. With regard your comment about Allah knowing intentions, you can open it at almost any page and be met with a passage stating that Allah knows people's intentions, again, somethign you would know had you read the text.
Frankly, I'm sick of playing your little game. I have given reasonable answers to reasonable questions, and, if anyone still doubts the sincerity of my conversion, then so be it, don't believe me. You are the ones who's opinions are wrong.
Once more, you really are a pathetic bully. Pushing someone around because you think that you can. Fuck you.

inkonnu

inkonnu

United Kingdom
November 2007

DEC 24, 2007 01:18 PM

Ascanius said:
You know, this thread is more fun when you're not in it.


I bet it is. Talking shit about someone in an online circle-jerk, while they're not around to respond, probably is your idea of a good time.

Ascanius

Ascanius

USA
October 2006

DEC 24, 2007 01:23 PM

inkonnu said:

Ascanius said:
You know, this thread is more fun when you're not in it.


I bet it is. Talking shit about someone in an online circle-jerk, while they're not around to respond, probably is your idea of a good time.



No, funny videos of Charlton Heston are my idea of a good time. Unreasonable caterwauling from someone who refuses to either substantiate their claims or let the issue drop is my idea of a waste of electrons.

inkonnu

inkonnu

United Kingdom
November 2007

DEC 24, 2007 01:38 PM

Ascanius said:

inkonnu said:

Ascanius said:
You know, this thread is more fun when you're not in it.


I bet it is. Talking shit about someone in an online circle-jerk, while they're not around to respond, probably is your idea of a good time.



No, funny videos of Charlton Heston are my idea of a good time. Unreasonable caterwauling from someone who refuses to either substantiate their claims or let the issue drop is my idea of a waste of electrons.


I have[/ui] substantiated my claim. If that is not convincing enough, or if certain cynical people refuse to acknowledge, and attempt to twist what I say, then so be it, the error is theirs, not mine.

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

DEC 24, 2007 01:43 PM

inkonnu said:

Cunt said:
Actually, you're lying again. In at least one of these statements.

Cunt said:
So what else is new, Spike?


Nothing much, Cunt.



Ground control to your mind: You're goin' down! Pull up! Pull up!

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

DEC 24, 2007 01:51 PM

Ascanius said:

Spike said:

Cunt said:
Actually, you're lying again. In at least one of these statements.

Cunt said:
So what else is new, Spike?


Nothing much, Cunt.


You know, this thread is more fun when you're not in it.


Now, that's not really true, is it? He has a truly phenomenal stamina for hypocritical evasions and invective, and an utter impenetrability to any form of rational thought that is, if not admirable, at least fascinating in a sick, watching-a-train-wreck kind of way.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

DEC 24, 2007 02:15 PM

This thread began as a discussion about the impact of illegal immigrants on the health industry. You have all let one person bait you into turning the thread into a thread about him. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

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