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  • MONDAY DECEMBER 10 2007 9:00 AM

Pelosi Is A Worthless, Compromised Piece Of Shit



Get Nancy Pelosi the fuck out of her leadership role as Speaker of the House. The woman is supposed to be battling George Bush on basic issues like torture, but she is totally complicit in the administration’s activities. She has known about them for a long, long time and to take any action would force her to reveal her acceptance of the administration's bullshit.


Two senior Republicans and Democrats in Congress -- including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi -- were briefing on the CIA's program to use waterboarding on terror suspects in September 2002 and did not object.


Oh, good. She should really get to the bottom of the situation then. I mean, why wouldn't she want to expose the fact that she knew about illegal activities in 2002?

That was the year Nancy, Rep. Jane Harman, Sen. Bob Graham, Sen. John Rockefeller IV, Rep. Porter Goss and Sen. Pat Roberts were told all about the CIA program to “wring vial information” out of suspects who didn’t want to give it up. They were given a virtual tour of detention sites and interrogation techniques. And Nancy said nothing. Being one of only a few Democrats who actually knew about the practice, one might come to the conclusion that she has no place being the leader of the House of Representatives because she is compromised on an act that was illegal under the Geneva Conventions.


Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.


I’m not going to say that the Democrats asked the CIA to push harder. Goss eventually was put in charge of the CIA, so you can be pretty sure he was one of the two who wanted the prisoners to get staple enemas.

Only one Democrat objected to the torture: Jane Harmon, who was at that point the second ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. Harmon sent a classified letter to the CIA to officially protest the program. She was not allowed to publicly discuss the program.


"When you serve on intelligence committee you sign a second oath -- one of secrecy," she said. "I was briefed, but the information was closely held to just the Gang of Four. I was not free to disclose anything."


Harmon’s actions now shed light on a strange move by Nancy Pelosi when she took over as Speaker. Harmon was supposed to be picked to lead the House Intelligence Committee, but Pelosi gave the job to someone else. Considering Harmon was the only one who sent a letter to the CIA objecting, it is an interesting move by Pelosi.

This is not the first time Pelosi’s judgment has been questioned. When the New York Times exposed the administration’s illegal wiretapping programs, Alberto Gonzales let this little gem slip.


This is not a backdoor approach. We believe Congress has authorized this kind of surveillance. We have had discussions with Congress in the past--certain members of Congress--as to whether or not FISA could be amended to allow us to adequately deal with this kind of threat, and we were advised that that would be difficult, if not impossible.


Hmm. “Certain members of Congress.” Considering Pelosi’s leadership role, it would be very surprising if she was not one of those who informed. She was part of the “Gang of Four.”

These circumstances make a good case for removing Pelosi from her leadership role. If she is unwilling to go after the administration because she does not want to expose her own complicity, then it is a major problem. With what is going on now, the person in charge needs to be clean on the issues.


I have said it before and I will say it again: Impeachment is off the table.


- Nancy Pelosi

 

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goatinamoat

goatinamoat

New York, NY
March 2006

DEC 11, 2007 07:42 PM

SockPuppet said:What change in the threat level warrants this change?


This is a "hot" war. Actual fighting is going on. And attacking our home front, NYC, Washington, and Pennsylvannia....as far as I am concerned, that accounts for a hell of a lot. And I am not going to lose sleep as to whether I am treating the fucks who did this with enough concern.

goatinamoat

goatinamoat

New York, NY
March 2006

DEC 11, 2007 07:44 PM

SockPuppet said:Most of the enthusiasm for torture...
[/QUOTE ]
I am not equipped to address most enthusiasm or some enthusiasm or anyone else's reason for torture. I can only give what I see is as a legitimate reason for torture, no matter how awful torture is. I speak for myself, no one else.

goatinamoat

goatinamoat

New York, NY
March 2006

DEC 11, 2007 07:45 PM

Toku666 said:
Did you just call an English a Euro?

I'm disturbed that even through the de facto filter of a (purportedly) left-leaning, "alt-culture" pin-up site there are still a bunch of motherfuckers who can't figure out why nobody should torture anybody else.


Yeah, it's called diversity.

Rafi

Rafi

Santa Monica, CA
January 2003

DEC 11, 2007 07:52 PM

goatinamoat said:

SockPuppet said:What change in the threat level warrants this change?


This is a "hot" war. Actual fighting is going on. And attacking our home front, NYC, Washington, and Pennsylvannia....as far as I am concerned, that accounts for a hell of a lot. And I am not going to lose sleep as to whether I am treating the fucks who did this with enough concern.



If you think we're torturing "the fucks who did this" (you know, the ones who all died in the suicide attack), you are pretty much a clueless bag of fuck and much more deserving of torture than any unrelated brown guys our misguided intelligence happens to pick up.

_margot_

_margot_

Los Angeles, CA
December 2007

DEC 11, 2007 07:56 PM

goatinamoat said:
SockPuppet said:Most of the enthusiasm for torture...
[/QUOTE ]
I am not equipped to address most enthusiasm or some enthusiasm or anyone else's reason for torture. I can only give what I see is as a legitimate reason for torture, no matter how awful torture is. I speak for myself, no one else.



You seem not equipped to address quite a few things. blackeyed

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

DEC 11, 2007 08:00 PM

Hell, we aren't even torturing people who verifiably happened to know people who happened to know people who were involved in any terrorist attacks.

Ascanius

Ascanius

USA
October 2006

DEC 11, 2007 08:24 PM

goatinamoat said:

SockPuppet said:What change in the threat level warrants this change?


This is a "hot" war. Actual fighting is going on. And attacking our home front, NYC, Washington, and Pennsylvannia....as far as I am concerned, that accounts for a hell of a lot. And I am not going to lose sleep as to whether I am treating the fucks who did this with enough concern.



Sept. 11 was six years ago. Even if those attacks could be construed as an act of war, which is a stretch, that war stopped being 'hot' long ago.

Were this not the case, that does nothing to change the fact that we are not torturing the people who did it. We are torturing whoever we feel like torturing.

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

DEC 11, 2007 09:55 PM

goatinamoat said:

SockPuppet said:Most of the enthusiasm for torture...


I am not equipped to address most enthusiasm or some enthusiasm or anyone else's reason for torture. I can only give what I see is as a legitimate reason for torture, no matter how awful torture is. I speak for myself, no one else.



And yet, you wholeheartedly advocate a universally-applicable mandate for its use, ineffective though it may be at moving toward any end which a civilized society might find justifiable, even in the face of both evidence of its misuse and ineffectiveness and an overwhelming opposition to its use by the citizenry.

Given, then, your insistence in your own correctness in the face of a clear majority opposing your viewpoint, I have to ask - why exactly do you hate America?

PRockGirlScout

PRockGirlScout

Portland, OR
October 2005

DEC 11, 2007 10:07 PM

frown I don't know what's worse- the news that another one of my heroes is now just a party to my unabated disillusionment...or finding out about it on a porn site. blackeyed

_margot_

_margot_

Los Angeles, CA
December 2007

DEC 11, 2007 10:11 PM

BlastProcessing said:

goatinamoat said:

SockPuppet said:Most of the enthusiasm for torture...


I am not equipped to address most enthusiasm or some enthusiasm or anyone else's reason for torture. I can only give what I see is as a legitimate reason for torture, no matter how awful torture is. I speak for myself, no one else.



And yet, you wholeheartedly advocate a universally-applicable mandate for its use, ineffective though it may be at moving toward any end which a civilized society might find justifiable, even in the face of both evidence of its misuse and ineffectiveness and an overwhelming opposition to its use by the citizenry.

Given, then, your insistence in your own correctness in the face of a clear majority opposing your viewpoint, I have to ask - why exactly do you hate America?



Blast come on, he already said he was not equipped to address it. He is absolved. Absolved I tells you.

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

DEC 11, 2007 10:15 PM

_Margot_ said:

BlastProcessing said:

goatinamoat said:

SockPuppet said:Most of the enthusiasm for torture...


I am not equipped to address most enthusiasm or some enthusiasm or anyone else's reason for torture. I can only give what I see is as a legitimate reason for torture, no matter how awful torture is. I speak for myself, no one else.



And yet, you wholeheartedly advocate a universally-applicable mandate for its use, ineffective though it may be at moving toward any end which a civilized society might find justifiable, even in the face of both evidence of its misuse and ineffectiveness and an overwhelming opposition to its use by the citizenry.

Given, then, your insistence in your own correctness in the face of a clear majority opposing your viewpoint, I have to ask - why exactly do you hate America?



Blast come on, he already said he was not equipped to address it. He is absolved. Absolved I tells you.



I'm just trying to be nice here. He likes torture, I live to give, fuggedaboudit!

_margot_

_margot_

Los Angeles, CA
December 2007

DEC 11, 2007 10:21 PM

BlastProcessing said:

_Margot_ said:

BlastProcessing said:

goatinamoat said:

SockPuppet said:Most of the enthusiasm for torture...


I am not equipped to address most enthusiasm or some enthusiasm or anyone else's reason for torture. I can only give what I see is as a legitimate reason for torture, no matter how awful torture is. I speak for myself, no one else.



And yet, you wholeheartedly advocate a universally-applicable mandate for its use, ineffective though it may be at moving toward any end which a civilized society might find justifiable, even in the face of both evidence of its misuse and ineffectiveness and an overwhelming opposition to its use by the citizenry.

Given, then, your insistence in your own correctness in the face of a clear majority opposing your viewpoint, I have to ask - why exactly do you hate America?



Blast come on, he already said he was not equipped to address it. He is absolved. Absolved I tells you.



I'm just trying to be nice here. He likes torture, I live to give, fuggedaboudit!



You says you like torture, eh? I may need a bit of that.

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

DEC 11, 2007 10:36 PM

_Margot_ said:

BlastProcessing said:

_Margot_ said:

BlastProcessing said:

goatinamoat said:
I am not equipped to address most enthusiasm or some enthusiasm or anyone else's reason for torture. I can only give what I see is as a legitimate reason for torture, no matter how awful torture is. I speak for myself, no one else.



And yet, you wholeheartedly advocate a universally-applicable mandate for its use, ineffective though it may be at moving toward any end which a civilized society might find justifiable, even in the face of both evidence of its misuse and ineffectiveness and an overwhelming opposition to its use by the citizenry.

Given, then, your insistence in your own correctness in the face of a clear majority opposing your viewpoint, I have to ask - why exactly do you hate America?



Blast come on, he already said he was not equipped to address it. He is absolved. Absolved I tells you.



I'm just trying to be nice here. He likes torture, I live to give, fuggedaboudit!



You says you like torture, eh? I may need a bit of that.



::makeouts::

syndeusys

syndeusys

I'm lost
September 2005

DEC 11, 2007 10:37 PM

This thread is probably the only one I've ever found funnier than the article itself, goatinamoat for the love of god don't stop. You're on a roll this is the funniest most nonsensical shit I've read in weeks keep on truckin'.

_margot_

_margot_

Los Angeles, CA
December 2007

DEC 11, 2007 10:55 PM

BlastProcessing said:

_Margot_ said:

BlastProcessing said:

_Margot_ said:

BlastProcessing said:

goatinamoat said:
I am not equipped to address most enthusiasm or some enthusiasm or anyone else's reason for torture. I can only give what I see is as a legitimate reason for torture, no matter how awful torture is. I speak for myself, no one else.



And yet, you wholeheartedly advocate a universally-applicable mandate for its use, ineffective though it may be at moving toward any end which a civilized society might find justifiable, even in the face of both evidence of its misuse and ineffectiveness and an overwhelming opposition to its use by the citizenry.

Given, then, your insistence in your own correctness in the face of a clear majority opposing your viewpoint, I have to ask - why exactly do you hate America?



Blast come on, he already said he was not equipped to address it. He is absolved. Absolved I tells you.



I'm just trying to be nice here. He likes torture, I live to give, fuggedaboudit!



You says you like torture, eh? I may need a bit of that.



::makeouts::



We have achieved nirvana

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