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MONDAY DECEMBER 10 2007 9:00 AM

Pelosi Is A Worthless, Compromised Piece Of Shit

Tags: Nancy Pelosi, Bush, Torture, Illegal Wiretapping

Get Nancy Pelosi the fuck out of her leadership role as Speaker of the House. The woman is supposed to be battling George Bush on basic issues like torture, but she is totally complicit in the administrations activities. She has known about them for a long, long time and to take any action would force her to reveal her acceptance of the administration's bullshit.

Two senior Republicans and Democrats in Congress -- including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi -- were briefing on the CIA's program to use waterboarding on terror suspects in September 2002 and did not object.

Oh, good. She should really get to the bottom of the situation then. I mean, why wouldn't she want to expose the fact that she knew about illegal activities in 2002?

That was the year Nancy, Rep. Jane Harman, Sen. Bob Graham, Sen. John Rockefeller IV, Rep. Porter Goss and Sen. Pat Roberts were told all about the CIA program to wring vial information out of suspects who didnt want to give it up. They were given a virtual tour of detention sites and interrogation techniques. And Nancy said nothing. Being one of only a few Democrats who actually knew about the practice, one might come to the conclusion that she has no place being the leader of the House of Representatives because she is compromised on an act that was illegal under the Geneva Conventions.

Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.

Im not going to say that the Democrats asked the CIA to push harder. Goss eventually was put in charge of the CIA, so you can be pretty sure he was one of the two who wanted the prisoners to get staple enemas.

Only one Democrat objected to the torture: Jane Harmon, who was at that point the second ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. Harmon sent a classified letter to the CIA to officially protest the program. She was not allowed to publicly discuss the program.

"When you serve on intelligence committee you sign a second oath -- one of secrecy," she said. "I was briefed, but the information was closely held to just the Gang of Four. I was not free to disclose anything."

Harmons actions now shed light on a strange move by Nancy Pelosi when she took over as Speaker. Harmon was supposed to be picked to lead the House Intelligence Committee, but Pelosi gave the job to someone else. Considering Harmon was the only one who sent a letter to the CIA objecting, it is an interesting move by Pelosi.

This is not the first time Pelosis judgment has been questioned. When the New York Times exposed the administrations illegal wiretapping programs, Alberto Gonzales let this little gem slip.

This is not a backdoor approach. We believe Congress has authorized this kind of surveillance. We have had discussions with Congress in the past--certain members of Congress--as to whether or not FISA could be amended to allow us to adequately deal with this kind of threat, and we were advised that that would be difficult, if not impossible.

Hmm. Certain members of Congress. Considering Pelosis leadership role, it would be very surprising if she was not one of those who informed. She was part of the Gang of Four.

These circumstances make a good case for removing Pelosi from her leadership role. If she is unwilling to go after the administration because she does not want to expose her own complicity, then it is a major problem. With what is going on now, the person in charge needs to be clean on the issues.

I have said it before and I will say it again: Impeachment is off the table.

- Nancy Pelosi

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Comments

Ascanius

USA

October 2006

DEC 11, 2007 02:04 PM

PointBlank said:

wadebrigade said:
what's with our gov co-opting the name 'gang of four?'

That is a name that has been co-opted more than the band's (another co-opter!) sound.

I think it fits.

SockPuppet

I'm lost

July 2006

DEC 11, 2007 02:45 PM

goatinamoat said:

maliceide said:
Some of these assholes being "tortured" may know about plans to kill you, your family, and everyone else who doesn't bow to them. Torture is a horrible thing, but not as bad as nukes going off in cities. Look up Pictures of children burned at Hiroshima. Some of these assholes being "tortured" are planning to do that same thing, on a bigger scale, all over the world. If they have to suffer a few seconds without air to stop that, then fuck them, they don't get air.

A breath of fresh air. No one likes torture. No one defends torture, per se. But when the choice is defending one's homeland against homicidal maniacs, horrible awful choices have to be made. Not enough people get this.

And I can't say it enough that torture is horrible and I don't know if it is completely forgiveable. But when faced against defending one's country vs. figuring how to lump enough rights on an unlicensed agent of war and giving him all the protections of a US Citizen...this either/or thinking is just crazy. If there is information to be had to prevent innocent deaths, then yes, I favor torture.

What is different now from the Cold War? Should this have been policy from 1945 to 1990? The idea that America is under greater threat now than in (say) 1975 doesn't seem to hold water to me. What change in the threat level warrants this change?

SockPuppet

I'm lost

July 2006

DEC 11, 2007 02:50 PM

goatinamoat said:
Colinism said:
Your assuming that everything people say under torture is the absolute truth/QUOTE]
It's not about whether they tell what they may or may not have been responsible for. That information is almost beside the point in the prosecution of a war. It's about what new information can be had. It's about finding a bomb about to go off. It's about finding a hostage sitting in their own shit for the past X days. It's about taking action to right things; not about finding blame.

You're lumping a lot of mutually exclusive situations into one. And it is about finding blame. Most of the enthusiasm for torture comes from a desire for vengeance - on whatever poor sod the secret agencies have picked up, without trial, without public oversight, and regardless of whether the punter is actually guilty of anything.

PointBlank

New York, NY

November 2004

DEC 11, 2007 02:52 PM

Holden_Caulfield said:
It is unfortunate that we will have to deal with the blatant corruption of the Executive Branch until 2009, but the Democrats are simply biding their time before taking complete control on the Executive and Legislative branches of government, compliments of the voting public. Bush and Cheney should certainly be impeached, but impeaching them would probably put the Republicans in a better position to win more Congressional seats and perhaps even threaten future control of the White House.

Hopefully, the new Democratic President will be able to make some liberal appointments to the Supreme Court that will pass congressional muster.

The ultimate goal of Democratic control of all three branches of government is within reach if we stay the course and turn out in droves on Election Day.

Oh, Christ.

You know, there's nothing wrong with pointing out flaws in the Demoractic Party. They do exist, you know.

"We can't do anything until we have total power. Give it to us and see!"

zarth

Seattle, WA

December 2004

DEC 11, 2007 02:57 PM

SockPuppet said:

goatinamoat said:

Colinism said:
Your assuming that everything people say under torture is the absolute truth

It's not about whether they tell what they may or may not have been responsible for. That information is almost beside the point in the prosecution of a war. It's about what new information can be had. It's about finding a bomb about to go off. It's about finding a hostage sitting in their own shit for the past X days. It's about taking action to right things; not about finding blame.

Why do you hate Ameri - oh, right, you're European.

Ascanius said:

PointBlank said:

wadebrigade said:
what's with our gov co-opting the name 'gang of four?'

That is a name that has been co-opted more than the band's (another co-opter!) sound.

I think it fits.

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Except that the original Gang of Four was pretty much just a bunch of patsies who got railroaded into taking the fall for Mao. Our "Gang of Four" is actually guilty.

Toku666

Columbus, OH

May 2004

DEC 11, 2007 03:05 PM

Did you just call an English a Euro?

I'm disturbed that even through the de facto filter of a (purportedly) left-leaning, "alt-culture" pin-up site there are still a bunch of motherfuckers who can't figure out why nobody should torture anybody else.