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MONDAY DECEMBER 10 2007 9:00 AM

Pelosi Is A Worthless, Compromised Piece Of Shit

Tags: Nancy Pelosi, Bush, Torture, Illegal Wiretapping

Get Nancy Pelosi the fuck out of her leadership role as Speaker of the House. The woman is supposed to be battling George Bush on basic issues like torture, but she is totally complicit in the administrations activities. She has known about them for a long, long time and to take any action would force her to reveal her acceptance of the administration's bullshit.

Two senior Republicans and Democrats in Congress -- including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi -- were briefing on the CIA's program to use waterboarding on terror suspects in September 2002 and did not object.

Oh, good. She should really get to the bottom of the situation then. I mean, why wouldn't she want to expose the fact that she knew about illegal activities in 2002?

That was the year Nancy, Rep. Jane Harman, Sen. Bob Graham, Sen. John Rockefeller IV, Rep. Porter Goss and Sen. Pat Roberts were told all about the CIA program to wring vial information out of suspects who didnt want to give it up. They were given a virtual tour of detention sites and interrogation techniques. And Nancy said nothing. Being one of only a few Democrats who actually knew about the practice, one might come to the conclusion that she has no place being the leader of the House of Representatives because she is compromised on an act that was illegal under the Geneva Conventions.

Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.

Im not going to say that the Democrats asked the CIA to push harder. Goss eventually was put in charge of the CIA, so you can be pretty sure he was one of the two who wanted the prisoners to get staple enemas.

Only one Democrat objected to the torture: Jane Harmon, who was at that point the second ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. Harmon sent a classified letter to the CIA to officially protest the program. She was not allowed to publicly discuss the program.

"When you serve on intelligence committee you sign a second oath -- one of secrecy," she said. "I was briefed, but the information was closely held to just the Gang of Four. I was not free to disclose anything."

Harmons actions now shed light on a strange move by Nancy Pelosi when she took over as Speaker. Harmon was supposed to be picked to lead the House Intelligence Committee, but Pelosi gave the job to someone else. Considering Harmon was the only one who sent a letter to the CIA objecting, it is an interesting move by Pelosi.

This is not the first time Pelosis judgment has been questioned. When the New York Times exposed the administrations illegal wiretapping programs, Alberto Gonzales let this little gem slip.

This is not a backdoor approach. We believe Congress has authorized this kind of surveillance. We have had discussions with Congress in the past--certain members of Congress--as to whether or not FISA could be amended to allow us to adequately deal with this kind of threat, and we were advised that that would be difficult, if not impossible.

Hmm. Certain members of Congress. Considering Pelosis leadership role, it would be very surprising if she was not one of those who informed. She was part of the Gang of Four.

These circumstances make a good case for removing Pelosi from her leadership role. If she is unwilling to go after the administration because she does not want to expose her own complicity, then it is a major problem. With what is going on now, the person in charge needs to be clean on the issues.

I have said it before and I will say it again: Impeachment is off the table.

- Nancy Pelosi

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FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

DEC 10, 2007 02:54 PM

I agree with everything Wil Wheaton said.

Also, there is this which I just read and is not included in the story.

A crime or criminal activity cannot qualify as a State Secret. The entire responsibility of the Intelligence Committees is to provide oversight. If they see something illegal, they are required to speak up about it and no one can prosecute them for revealing something that they were sworn to secrecy about.

The secrecy provision is no longer binding if the subject of the disclosure is to report a crime.

So, Pelosi was simply not doing her duty as a lawmaker when she stayed silent after the torture presentation. She should be removed from her position.

code_red

Portland, OR

July 2005

DEC 10, 2007 03:24 PM

s5 said:
I'll make a deal with anyone in this thread who believes waterboarding isn't torture. I will vote Republican in every election until I die if you post a video of you being waterboarded, followed by you making a thumbs up at the camera after it's all over. You also have to say "That wasn't torture." in clear english.

Any takers?

A buddy of mine went through SERE (survival, evasion, resistance, and escape.. i think) school in the military and he got waterboarded upon his "capture." When he and I discussed the topic one day, he said straight up that it is the worst feeling he has ever had short of being hit with pepper spray. He said after a few minutes you get freaked out even when not being waterboarded because your brain is telling you your drowning, but you know your not, so it fucks with you even harder...

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I haven't found anyone to substantiate your wager in favor of the latter.

Ascanius

USA

October 2006

DEC 10, 2007 03:40 PM

maliceide said:
some stuff

The Supreme Court, in its unanimous 1936 opinion Brown v. Mississippi wrote:

'Coercing the supposed state's criminals into confessions and using such confessions so coerced from them against them in trials has been the curse of all countries. It was the chief iniquity, the crowning infamy of the Star Chamber, and the Inquisition, and other similar institutions. The Constitution recognized the evils that lay behind these practices and prohibited them in this country. ... The duty of maintaining constitutional rights of a person on trial for his life rises above mere rules of procedure, and wherever the court is clearly satisfied that such violations exist, it will refuse to sanction such violations and will apply the corrective.'

strndniowa

Grimes, IA

May 2007

DEC 10, 2007 03:47 PM

Ascanius said:

maliceide said:
some stuff

The Supreme Court, in its unanimous 1936 opinion Brown v. Mississippi wrote:

YES!!!! Excellent Quote!!!
Good research