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  • MONDAY DECEMBER 10 2007 9:00 AM

Pelosi Is A Worthless, Compromised Piece Of Shit



Get Nancy Pelosi the fuck out of her leadership role as Speaker of the House. The woman is supposed to be battling George Bush on basic issues like torture, but she is totally complicit in the administration’s activities. She has known about them for a long, long time and to take any action would force her to reveal her acceptance of the administration's bullshit.


Two senior Republicans and Democrats in Congress -- including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi -- were briefing on the CIA's program to use waterboarding on terror suspects in September 2002 and did not object.


Oh, good. She should really get to the bottom of the situation then. I mean, why wouldn't she want to expose the fact that she knew about illegal activities in 2002?

That was the year Nancy, Rep. Jane Harman, Sen. Bob Graham, Sen. John Rockefeller IV, Rep. Porter Goss and Sen. Pat Roberts were told all about the CIA program to “wring vial information” out of suspects who didn’t want to give it up. They were given a virtual tour of detention sites and interrogation techniques. And Nancy said nothing. Being one of only a few Democrats who actually knew about the practice, one might come to the conclusion that she has no place being the leader of the House of Representatives because she is compromised on an act that was illegal under the Geneva Conventions.


Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.


I’m not going to say that the Democrats asked the CIA to push harder. Goss eventually was put in charge of the CIA, so you can be pretty sure he was one of the two who wanted the prisoners to get staple enemas.

Only one Democrat objected to the torture: Jane Harmon, who was at that point the second ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. Harmon sent a classified letter to the CIA to officially protest the program. She was not allowed to publicly discuss the program.


"When you serve on intelligence committee you sign a second oath -- one of secrecy," she said. "I was briefed, but the information was closely held to just the Gang of Four. I was not free to disclose anything."


Harmon’s actions now shed light on a strange move by Nancy Pelosi when she took over as Speaker. Harmon was supposed to be picked to lead the House Intelligence Committee, but Pelosi gave the job to someone else. Considering Harmon was the only one who sent a letter to the CIA objecting, it is an interesting move by Pelosi.

This is not the first time Pelosi’s judgment has been questioned. When the New York Times exposed the administration’s illegal wiretapping programs, Alberto Gonzales let this little gem slip.


This is not a backdoor approach. We believe Congress has authorized this kind of surveillance. We have had discussions with Congress in the past--certain members of Congress--as to whether or not FISA could be amended to allow us to adequately deal with this kind of threat, and we were advised that that would be difficult, if not impossible.


Hmm. “Certain members of Congress.” Considering Pelosi’s leadership role, it would be very surprising if she was not one of those who informed. She was part of the “Gang of Four.”

These circumstances make a good case for removing Pelosi from her leadership role. If she is unwilling to go after the administration because she does not want to expose her own complicity, then it is a major problem. With what is going on now, the person in charge needs to be clean on the issues.


I have said it before and I will say it again: Impeachment is off the table.


- Nancy Pelosi

 

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strndniowa

strndniowa

Grimes, IA
May 2007

DEC 10, 2007 11:50 AM

Regardless of everything else torture is patently wrong...the ends do not justify the means.... That is what due process, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights are all about... and what this country was supposed to be about.
It seems our government as of late has forgotten that, along with many of our citizens...real shame...

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

DEC 10, 2007 12:02 PM

maliceide said:
Some of these assholes being "tortured" may know about plans to kill you, your family, and everyone else who doesn't bow to them. Torture is a horrible thing, but not as bad as nukes going off in cities. Look up Pictures of children burned at Hiroshima. Some of these assholes being "tortured" are planning to do that same thing, on a bigger scale, all over the world. If they have to suffer a few seconds without air to stop that, then fuck them, they don't get air.



Since we are confusing reality with fiction.
I think you're all confused mate. The best way to prevent a Kraken from attacking your ship, is to make the person with the black spot walk the plank.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

DEC 10, 2007 12:03 PM

Skywisdom said:

maliceide said:
Some of these assholes being "tortured" may know about plans to kill you, your family, and everyone else who doesn't bow to them. Torture is a horrible thing, but not as bad as nukes going off in cities. Look up Pictures of children burned at Hiroshima. Some of these assholes being "tortured" are planning to do that same thing, on a bigger scale, all over the world. If they have to suffer a few seconds without air to stop that, then fuck them, they don't get air.



Alright, here's the thing, see torture...

...Waaaaaait a minute! I get it! Oho, you almost got me! I actually thought you were serious for a minute, but now I see you were just making up the same old-bullshit arguments because you like being bitchslapped by everyone in the threads who has a working brain. That's pretty clever.



Bitchslapping is not covered by the Geneva Conventions FYI.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

DEC 10, 2007 12:10 PM

Nancy Pelosi said:
It was my understanding at that time that Congresswoman Harman filed a letter in early 2003 to the CIA to protest the use of such techniques, a protest with which I concurred."



Odd how she concurred yet never wrote a letter of her own and passed Harman over for the committee position.

KreepyKen

KreepyKen

Portland, OR
July 2003

DEC 10, 2007 12:25 PM

We should torture Pelosi, because she obviously has vital information about U.S. terrorist activities.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

DEC 10, 2007 12:28 PM

I'll make a deal with anyone in this thread who believes waterboarding isn't torture. I will vote Republican in every election until I die if you post a video of you being waterboarded, followed by you making a thumbs up at the camera after it's all over. You also have to say "That wasn't torture." in clear english.

Any takers?

Adroitbeing

Adroitbeing

I'm lost
September 2003

DEC 10, 2007 12:45 PM

s5 said:
I'll make a deal with anyone in this thread who believes waterboarding isn't torture. I will vote Republican in every election until I die if you post a video of you being waterboarded, followed by you making a thumbs up at the camera after it's all over. You also have to say "That wasn't torture." in clear english.

Any takers?



Can I volunteer some others...please?!

catdad

catdad

Portland, OR
August 2002

DEC 10, 2007 12:48 PM

maliceide said:
Some of these assholes being "tortured" may know about plans to kill you, your family, and everyone else who doesn't bow to them. Torture is a horrible thing, but not as bad as nukes going off in cities. Look up Pictures of children burned at Hiroshima. Some of these assholes being "tortured" are planning to do that same thing, on a bigger scale, all over the world. If they have to suffer a few seconds without air to stop that, then fuck them, they don't get air.



People like you scare me more than the "terrorists" do.

Rafi

Rafi

Santa Monica, CA
January 2003

DEC 10, 2007 12:51 PM

s5 said:
I'll make a deal with anyone in this thread who believes waterboarding isn't torture. I will vote Republican in every election until I die if you post a video of you being waterboarded, followed by you making a thumbs up at the camera after it's all over. You also have to say "That wasn't torture." in clear english.



Let's make sure too that it happens at some random date, when they're plucked from bed in the middle of the night without warning, so they don't have time to physically or mentally prepare for it, like any other US torture victim.

And remember all you torture enthusiasts - you've been found guilty or proven to have knowledge of exactly the same crimes most of the people we torture have (which is to say, none), so don't come back with some whiny "but I'm not a terrorist!" objection.

Skywisdom

Skywisdom

Portland, OR
December 2005

DEC 10, 2007 01:07 PM

100% of waterboard supporters have never been waterboarded. I betcha that.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

DEC 10, 2007 01:36 PM

Skywisdom said:
100% of waterboard supporters have never been waterboarded. I betcha that.



I'm pretty sure they think it's like snowboarding, only wetter.

defaultx

defaultx

I'm lost
February 2006

DEC 10, 2007 01:41 PM

RON PAUL 2008 ARRR!!!

Toku666

Toku666

Columbus, OH
May 2004

DEC 10, 2007 02:04 PM

maliceide said:
Some of these assholes being "tortured" may know about plans to kill you, your family, and everyone else who doesn't bow to them. Torture is a horrible thing, but not as bad as nukes going off in cities. Look up Pictures of children burned at Hiroshima. Some of these assholes being "tortured" are planning to do that same thing, on a bigger scale, all over the world. If they have to suffer a few seconds without air to stop that, then fuck them, they don't get air.



Since you brought up Hiroshima (which I think should be a Godwin offense on a technicality) I have an interesting fact for you:

Immediately after World War II, the US put on trial several Japanese soldiers that were in captivity after their government had surrendered. We were so outraged, so mortified at what these men had done that we in fact sentenced them to death and executed them after the trials. Mind you, these were not some random terrorists. They were citizens of Japan and some were officers of the Japanese military. So what was it they had done that had us so thirsty for justice?

They ordered or carried out the waterboarding of US prisoners of war. So maybe, maliceide, you like the idea of our leaders making our nation look like the prime example of hypocrisy in the world. Your screen name might lead one to believe you'd prefer we all treat each other kindly. Maybe you should start thinking about that in a broader, more general sense instead of invoking bromides about "it could be your child!"

But before you do any of that, spend the five fucking seconds it will take to Google "Tokyo War Crimes Trials." Read up. Then remind yourself that our vice president, on national TV, likened this practice to "taking a dip."

If you're not just an out-and-out troll, get informed or get stuffed.

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

DEC 10, 2007 02:25 PM

Toku666 said:
They ordered or carried out the waterboarding of US prisoners of war. So maybe, maliceide, you like the idea of our leaders making our nation look like the prime example of hypocrisy in the world. Your screen name might lead one to believe you'd prefer we all treat each other kindly. Maybe you should start thinking about that in a broader, more general sense instead of invoking bromides about "it could be your child!"

But before you do any of that, spend the five fucking seconds it will take to Google "Tokyo War Crimes Trials." Read up. Then remind yourself that our vice president, on national TV, likened this practice to "taking a dip."



Not that I support waterboarding, but Japanese soldiers are subject to the Geneva Conventions protections, whereas anybody who wages war on us without wearing a uniform is not legally protected by the conventions.

And yes, there is an addendum that does grant Geneva Convention protections to guerrillas, spys, etc, but the US did not sign it (as the point of denying them protection is to disincentize unconventional or asymmetrical warfare).

Gillionaire

Gillionaire

Manchester, NH
February 2007

DEC 10, 2007 02:32 PM

I desperately crave progress in our nations politics, but politicians do everything they can it seems to keep us stuck in this rut we're in. I makes me sad. frown

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