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  • SUNDAY DECEMBER 9 2007 9:00 AM

We Had A Good Run, Didn’t We? So Long, America



Finally, the government is privitizing domestic spying. I feel so safe now. When I think of America, I usually envision large companies sifting through all of my information, my home and hopefully, my unmentionables. Thankfully, this dream is coming true. Up until this point, information from domestic spy satellites was only used by scientific agencies. After 9/11, the NSA was given powers that allowed it to monitor domestic communications without getting those pesky warrants. And now the Bush administration is blowing it out!


Under a proposal being reviewed by Congress, a National Applications Office will be established to coordinate how the Department of Homeland Security and domestic law enforcement and rescue agencies use imagery and communications intelligence picked up by U.S. spy satellites. If the plan goes forward, the NAO will create the legal mechanism for an unprecedented degree of domestic intelligence gathering that would make the United States one of the world's most closely monitored nations.


Sweet. Monitor the shit out of us. We used to have this stupid law that confined intelligence collection to foreign countries and battlefields. Not anymore. And let's make sure private companies are a huge part of it, because they never do anything wrong and have continually shown throughout history that they can be trusted.


The intelligence-sharing system to be managed by the NAO will rely heavily on private contractors, including Boeing, BAE Systems, L-3 Communications and Science Applications International Corporation.


Mmmmm, safety. Nothing makes me feel safer than knowing BAE Systems has my back. Also my front. And my unmentionables.

Last month all the private domestic spy companies went to the intelligence conference in San Antonio and lobbied intelligence officials, in a giant, disgusting, display of everything that is wrong with our country. But, hey, those companies are the ones who told the government that we needed to expand our domestic spying, so bravo.

A study group was put together by a couple of government agencies and they thought it would be a great idea to use former intelligence officers. Many of them just happened to be employed by private intelligence companies, like Booz Allen. Guess what crazy conclusion they came up with?


Not surprisingly, its contractor-advisers called for a major expansion in the domestic use of the spy satellites that they sell to the government. Since the end of the Cold War and particularly since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, they said, the "threats to the nation have changed, and there is a growing interest in making available the special capabilities of the intelligence community to all parts of the government, to include homeland security and law enforcement entities and on a higher priority basis."


Word. We think you should give us money to do stuff. Lots of stuff. Oh, did I mention we’re going to need lots of money? To do that stuff we said should be done? Thanks for asking. Hey, you know that thing I said we should be doing with that satellite? Turns out I can totally do that. And it will only cost millions of dollars. How weird is it that I am the guy who is able to do what I said needed to be done? For money?

The domestic spying contracts are worth billions of dollars and this is a brand new business. The new plan was revealed in August and caught some people off guard. Bennie G. Thompson, a Democratic member of Congress from Mississippi and the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee was surprised when he read about it in the Wall Street Journal.


There was no briefing, no hearing, and no phone call from anyone on your staff to any member of this committee of why, how or when satellite imagery would be shared with police and sheriffs' officers nationwide.


Well, that is probably because most Americans don’t want to be spied on. Duh. Actually, maybe I’m just being an alarmist and blowing this all out of proportion.


"It will terrify you if you really understand the capabilities of satellites," warned Jane Harman, a Democratic member of Congress from California. "Even if this program is well-designed and executed, someone somewhere else could hijack it.”


Oh.

So far the NAO has been delayed. It was supposed to kick off on October 1st, but annoying Congress members and civil rights hippies have been making noise. Of course, later we will learn that the Bush administration did not delay the program. And then when we try to investigate, we won’t be able to because all the information is “classified.” This entire program will always be classified, which is awesome, because it is watching us.


America is going forward, and as we do so, we must remain keenly aware of the threats to our country.

Those in authority should take appropriate precautions to protect our citizens. But we will not allow this enemy to win the war by changing our way of life or restricting our freedoms.

- George W. Bush, September 12, 2001.

 

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Formus

Formus

Milwaukee, WI
May 2007

DEC 09, 2007 08:23 PM

AmbientLight said:

SnowScoundrel said:
We need a new plague.



We have one... it's called the Bush/Cheney Virus and it seems to be very pernicious!


From what my sources tell me, there's already a cure for that taking hold:

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michael9000000

michael9000000

New York, NY
July 2007

DEC 09, 2007 08:24 PM

MegaSurge said:

Moonrabbit said:

michael9000000 said:
Aren't we being a bit over-dramatic here?



Not to sound paranoid here or anything. But that is the kind of attitude that lets things like this be put into place unchallenged.
They count on it being too inconvenient for us to stand up for ourselves.



Indeed. I'm so sick of people claiming that they have nothing to hide so let them spy on them. They're clueless idiots to be quite frank...uneducated in the history of how such invasion corrupts those in prior and in up oppressing us all. Benjamin Franklin said, "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.". There is a reason he said that...it's because he was no fool and knew the consequences of such a thing. But as long as people do nothing to tell Them we do not want such spying, then They will proceed. Frederick Douglass said, "If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning.". The summary is that those that expect freedom but do nothing for it have already lost it. Personally, I have been doing whatever I can against this crap since before 2000, mainly be be active with the
ACLU and EFF. It may not seem like much but it is a centralized voice that is already organized.




Uh... you lost me...

I'm sure that Benjamin Franklin had a lot of great quotes about the value of liberty... but then again, Benjamin Franklin was a slave owner for 40-50 years.

I do applaud your efforts to be active in the community and fighting for what you believe to be right. I'm just curious about one thing... how do you feel about the ACLU defending the civil liberties of those sick fucks in NAMBLA?


Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

DEC 09, 2007 08:35 PM

michael9000000 said:
Uh... you lost me...

I'm sure that Benjamin Franklin had a lot of great quotes about the value of liberty... but then again, Benjamin Franklin was a slave owner for 40-50 years.


While that's technically true, he emancipated his slaves became an abolitionist late in life, and was always an opponent of racism. And your weird ad hominem against one of the more progressive Founding Fathers is kind of pointless.

michael9000000 said:
I do applaud your efforts to be active in the community and fighting for what you believe to be right. I'm just curious about one thing... how do you feel about the ACLU defending the civil liberties of those sick fucks in NAMBLA?


So you think there should be restrictions on our Constitutional protections of free speech? Perhaps Americans should only be free to say tasteful things?

michael9000000

michael9000000

New York, NY
July 2007

DEC 09, 2007 08:44 PM

Zarth said:

michael9000000 said:
Uh... you lost me...

I'm sure that Benjamin Franklin had a lot of great quotes about the value of liberty... but then again, Benjamin Franklin was a slave owner for 40-50 years.


While that's technically true, he emancipated his slaves became an abolitionist late in life, and was always an opponent of racism. And your weird ad hominem against one of the more progressive Founding Fathers is kind of pointless.

michael9000000 said:
I do applaud your efforts to be active in the community and fighting for what you believe to be right. I'm just curious about one thing... how do you feel about the ACLU defending the civil liberties of those sick fucks in NAMBLA?


So you think there should be restrictions on our Constitutional protections of free speech? Perhaps Americans should only be free to say tasteful things?



Technically true? Is that a special variety of true? LOL

Oh boy... we agreed for just a minute in another thread, but that's all over now.

Zarth, how can you say that Benjamin Franklin was "always an opponent of racism" when he owned slaves for more than half his life? Were his slaves white?

My problem with NAMBLA is not that I find their speech tasteless... my problem with NAMBLA is that they are a group of men who organize and network for the sake of making it easier to fuck young boys. That's not exercising free speech... that's conspiracy to commit a felony.

Formus

Formus

Milwaukee, WI
May 2007

DEC 09, 2007 08:56 PM

michael9000000 said:
Zarth, how can you say that Benjamin Franklin was "always an opponent of racism" when he owned slaves for more than half his life? Were his slaves white?


What we have here is the problem of you viewing "racism" through the 21st century post-Civil Rights era lens and applying it to the cultural situation that existed over two centuries ago. The atmosphere is different, and slaveholding was essential for a man to even get respect within the social structure that existed at the time. Had Franklin not owned slaves, it's doubtful that he would have been a figurehead of any kind, let alone one of the chief founding fathers, deputy postmaster, ambassador to France, etc.

I know for a fact that in George Washington's will, he explicitly freed every single slave on his plantation. Now I don't know enough about Franklin to assume he did the same thing, but it does show that Washington, while being at his heart fundamentally opposed to the practice of slavery, realized that it was a necessity to continue in order to not only get himself respected, admittedly a selfish thing but also a very important thing - imagine a United States without George Washington - but hold the United States together long enough to get the upstart country off the ground in the first place.

Slavery is a tricky issue, especially at the time of the Constitution's ratification. You can't automatically decry it as racist, because for many slaveholders (especially in the North), it genuinely wasn't.

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

DEC 09, 2007 08:58 PM

michael9000000 said:

Zarth said:

michael9000000 said:
Uh... you lost me...

I'm sure that Benjamin Franklin had a lot of great quotes about the value of liberty... but then again, Benjamin Franklin was a slave owner for 40-50 years.


While that's technically true, he emancipated his slaves became an abolitionist late in life, and was always an opponent of racism. And your weird ad hominem against one of the more progressive Founding Fathers is kind of pointless.

michael9000000 said:
I do applaud your efforts to be active in the community and fighting for what you believe to be right. I'm just curious about one thing... how do you feel about the ACLU defending the civil liberties of those sick fucks in NAMBLA?


So you think there should be restrictions on our Constitutional protections of free speech? Perhaps Americans should only be free to say tasteful things?


Technically true? Is that a special variety of true? LOL


He owned two, who he emancipated. The fact that that's virtually insignificant compared to George Washington or Thomas Jefferson was what motivated my use of the word "technical." It may have been inappropriate.

michael9000000 said:
Oh boy... we agreed for just a minute in another thread, but that's all over now.


Good. I'd hate to make a habit of it.

michael9000000 said:
Zarth, how can you say that Benjamin Franklin was "always an opponent of racism" when he owned slaves for more than half his life? Were his slaves white?


You could try reading this. It's a fallacy to assume that because it was the custom to enslave Africans at the time means jack about whether he himself held racist beliefs.

Besides, what's your fucking point? Slandering Ben Franklin because he makes you feel like a coward for supporting Bush's police state? It doesn't matter whether Ben Franklin calls you a coward for that or not. You're a coward regardless.

michael9000000 said:
My problem with NAMBLA is not that I find their speech tasteless... my problem with NAMBLA is that they are a group of men who organize and network for the sake of making it easier to fuck young boys.


Last I checked, "fucking young boys" was not a Constitutional right, nor does the ACLU protect it. So, again, your smear is pointless.

michael9000000

michael9000000

New York, NY
July 2007

DEC 09, 2007 09:05 PM

Formus said:

michael9000000 said:
Zarth, how can you say that Benjamin Franklin was "always an opponent of racism" when he owned slaves for more than half his life? Were his slaves white?


What we have here is the problem of you viewing "racism" through the 21st century post-Civil Rights era lens and applying it to the cultural situation that existed over two centuries ago. The atmosphere is different, and slaveholding was essential for a man to even get respect within the social structure that existed at the time. Had Franklin not owned slaves, it's doubtful that he would have been a figurehead of any kind, let alone one of the chief founding fathers, deputy postmaster, ambassador to France, etc.

I know for a fact that in George Washington's will, he explicitly freed every single slave on his plantation. Now I don't know enough about Franklin to assume he did the same thing, but it does show that Washington, while being at his heart fundamentally opposed to the practice of slavery, realized that it was a necessity to continue in order to not only get himself respected, admittedly a selfish thing but also a very important thing - imagine a United States without George Washington - but hold the United States together long enough to get the upstart country off the ground in the first place.

Slavery is a tricky issue, especially at the time of the Constitution's ratification. You can't automatically decry it as racist, because for many slaveholders (especially in the North), it genuinely wasn't.



Perhaps Ben Franklin never had any malice toward his slaves because they were black. I don't know. I wasn't there. Still, the 'morality' of slavery should never be seen as relative to the social climate or year on the calendar.

Formus

Formus

Milwaukee, WI
May 2007

DEC 09, 2007 09:07 PM

michael9000000 said:
Perhaps Ben Franklin never had any malice toward his slaves because they were black. I don't know. I wasn't there. Still, the 'morality' of slavery should never be seen as relative to the social climate or year on the calendar.


Morality is the single most relative thing that's ever existed.

michael9000000

michael9000000

New York, NY
July 2007

DEC 09, 2007 09:10 PM

Zarth said:

michael9000000 said:

Zarth said:

michael9000000 said:
Uh... you lost me...

I'm sure that Benjamin Franklin had a lot of great quotes about the value of liberty... but then again, Benjamin Franklin was a slave owner for 40-50 years.


While that's technically true, he emancipated his slaves became an abolitionist late in life, and was always an opponent of racism. And your weird ad hominem against one of the more progressive Founding Fathers is kind of pointless.

michael9000000 said:
I do applaud your efforts to be active in the community and fighting for what you believe to be right. I'm just curious about one thing... how do you feel about the ACLU defending the civil liberties of those sick fucks in NAMBLA?


So you think there should be restrictions on our Constitutional protections of free speech? Perhaps Americans should only be free to say tasteful things?


Technically true? Is that a special variety of true? LOL


He owned two, who he emancipated. The fact that that's virtually insignificant compared to George Washington or Thomas Jefferson was what motivated my use of the word "technical." It may have been inappropriate.

michael9000000 said:
Oh boy... we agreed for just a minute in another thread, but that's all over now.


Good. I'd hate to make a habit of it.

michael9000000 said:
Zarth, how can you say that Benjamin Franklin was "always an opponent of racism" when he owned slaves for more than half his life? Were his slaves white?


You could try reading this. It's a fallacy to assume that because it was the custom to enslave Africans at the time means jack about whether he himself held racist beliefs.

Besides, what's your fucking point? Slandering Ben Franklin because he makes you feel like a coward for supporting Bush's police state? It doesn't matter whether Ben Franklin calls you a coward for that or not. You're a coward regardless.

michael9000000 said:
My problem with NAMBLA is not that I find their speech tasteless... my problem with NAMBLA is that they are a group of men who organize and network for the sake of making it easier to fuck young boys.


Last I checked, "fucking young boys" was not a Constitutional right, nor does the ACLU protect it. So, again, your smear is pointless.



I don't support Bush's police state...

There is no police state.

I'm not a coward. I'm amazed that you would even say so. You really don't know anything about me.

Do you even know how the ACLU defended NAMBLA?



Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

DEC 09, 2007 09:11 PM

michael9000000 said:
Perhaps Ben Franklin never had any malice toward his slaves because they were black. I don't know. I wasn't there. Still, the 'morality' of slavery should never be seen as relative to the social climate or year on the calendar.


I reiterate:

Zarth said:
Besides, what's your fucking point? Slandering Ben Franklin because he makes you feel like a coward for supporting Bush's police state? It doesn't matter whether Ben Franklin calls you a coward for that or not. You're a coward regardless.


Your attempt at thread hijacking stops here.

michael9000000

michael9000000

New York, NY
July 2007

DEC 09, 2007 09:13 PM

Zarth said:

michael9000000 said:
Perhaps Ben Franklin never had any malice toward his slaves because they were black. I don't know. I wasn't there. Still, the 'morality' of slavery should never be seen as relative to the social climate or year on the calendar.


I reiterate:

Zarth said:
Besides, what's your fucking point? Slandering Ben Franklin because he makes you feel like a coward for supporting Bush's police state? It doesn't matter whether Ben Franklin calls you a coward for that or not. You're a coward regardless.


Your attempt at thread hijacking stops here.



Huh?

michael9000000

michael9000000

New York, NY
July 2007

DEC 09, 2007 09:14 PM

michael9000000 said:

Zarth said:

michael9000000 said:
Perhaps Ben Franklin never had any malice toward his slaves because they were black. I don't know. I wasn't there. Still, the 'morality' of slavery should never be seen as relative to the social climate or year on the calendar.


I reiterate:

Zarth said:
Besides, what's your fucking point? Slandering Ben Franklin because he makes you feel like a coward for supporting Bush's police state? It doesn't matter whether Ben Franklin calls you a coward for that or not. You're a coward regardless.


Your attempt at thread hijacking stops here.



Did I hijack something? How did I do that? Was it because I disagreed?



Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

DEC 09, 2007 09:16 PM

michael9000000 said:
I don't support Bush's police state...

There is no police state.


Oh. No, of course not. The government just kidnaps and tortures people without any accountability because we've got such a vibrant democracy.

michael9000000 said:
I'm not a coward. I'm amazed that you would even say so. You really don't know anything about me.


I know enough.

michael9000000 said:
Do you even know how the ACLU defended NAMBLA?


Are you going to give me a link to a WorldNetDaily article now? Very illuminating, I'm sure.

michael9000000 said:
Did I hijack something? How did I do that? Was it because I disagreed?


Don't flatter yourself. Turning a discussion of Bush's surveillance regime into one about the merits of Benjamin Franklin is a thread hijack. Regardless of what you agree or disagree with.

Formus

Formus

Milwaukee, WI
May 2007

DEC 09, 2007 09:17 PM

Edit: blargh blargh blargh.

michael9000000

michael9000000

New York, NY
July 2007

DEC 09, 2007 09:19 PM

Zarth said:

michael9000000 said:
I don't support Bush's police state...

There is no police state.


Oh. No, of course not. The government just kidnaps and tortures people without any accountability because we've got such a vibrant democracy.

michael9000000 said:
I'm not a coward. I'm amazed that you would even say so. You really don't know anything about me.


I know enough.

michael9000000 said:
Do you even know how the ACLU defended NAMBLA?


Are you going to give me a link to a WorldNetDaily article now? How illuminating.




Umm... nope... you don't know enough about me...

I never quoted the WorldNetDaily. You did.

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