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  • TUESDAY NOVEMBER 27 2007 9:00 AM

We Take A Small Step Closer To Fahrenheit 451



The book Fahrenheit 451 was originally a novella called The Fireman. It was written by Ray Bradbury and was meant as a critique of American society. In the book, critical thinking is suppressed and firemen are actually book burners. Bradbury explained what the book was about.


Fahrenheit 451 is a story about how television destroys interest in reading literature, which ultimately leads to ignorance of total facts.


Sounds pretty on target as far as where we are today, except for the role of firemen in our society. They are regarded as heroes, who sacrifice their lives to save what we hold dear. Firemen are the ultimate example of good in our society. But the Bush administration loves to ruin everything and they now have their sights set on firemen.


Firefighters in major cities are being trained to take on a new role as lookouts for terrorism, raising concerns of eroding their standing as American icons and infringing on people's privacy.

Unlike police, firefighters and emergency medical personnel don't need warrants to access hundreds of thousands of homes and buildings each year, putting them in a position to spot behavior that could indicate terrorist activity or planning.


Uh, what? What the fuck is happening? The government is already monitoring our phone calls, our emails, where we fly, our purchases and can turn our cell phones into a listening device whenever they want and now they want to turn our firemen in spies and narcs. Fuck off.

The Homeland Security Department is now testing their new fireman as narcs program in New York City. Firemen are being taught how to “identify material or behavior” of terrorists. If things go well, it will be expanded across the United States of Creepy.


"They're really doing technical inspections, and if perchance they find something like, you know, a bunch of RPG (rocket-propelled grenade) rounds in somebody's basement, I think it's a no-brainer," said Jack Tomarchio, a senior official in Homeland Security's intelligence division.


Yeah, no shit, asshole. Now, why do I think that firemen don’t actually need to be trained to turn someone in if they find RPG’s in a basement? Nice try with the spin, but I’m not a fucking moron. This program is about snooping and getting around warrants; using men who should be doing no such thing.


Even before the federal program began, New York firefighters and inspectors had been training to recognize materials and behavior the government identifies as "signs of planning and support for terrorism."

When going to private residences, for example, they are told to be alert for a person who is hostile, uncooperative or expressing hate or discontent with the United States; unusual chemicals or other materials that seem out of place; ammunition, firearms or weapons boxes; surveillance equipment; still and video cameras; night-vision goggles; maps, photos, blueprints; police manuals, training manuals, flight manuals; and little or no furniture other than a bed or mattress.


Huh, so they already do all that. What a surprise. Now, what exactly are firemen not doing that Homeland Security wants them to do? Here’s a scenario: There is a call to 911 of a fire in a home. On there way there, firemen get a call over the radio telling them it is a possible terrorist home and to search the property. The firemen get there and tear the place up looking for information. Turns out the poor guy is not a terrorist, but his house has been ransacked. And hey, who made the 911 call in the first place? Because the guy who lives there didn't.

911 calls have been abused for years by police trying to get into a home, bringing firemen into the equation is bad fucking news. Although, some firemen seem to be okay with the idea.


D.C. firefighters and EMS providers are in 170,000 homes and businesses each year on routine calls, Schultz said.

"So we see things and observe things that may be useful to law enforcement," he said. "We can walk into your house. We don't need a search warrant." If an ambulance team shows up at a house and sees detailed maps of the District's public transit system on the wall, that's something the EMS provider would pass along, he said.

"It's the evolution of the fire service," said Bob Khan, the fire chief in Phoenix, which has created an information-sharing arrangement between the fire service and law enforcement through terrorism liaison officers.


Oh, good. Then don’t be too upset if a dislike of firemen follows.


It's of particular concern for communities already under law enforcement scrutiny. "Do we want them to fear the fire department as well as the police?" German asked.


Yes, you do. And hopefully after this program is in place, we can get the cable guys going next.

 

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Tinyhobo

Tinyhobo

Boulder City, NV
December 2006

NOV 28, 2007 11:40 PM

BlastProcessing said:

Tinyhobo said:

BlastProcessing said:

Tinyhobo said:


mmm please continue with parts rubbing shocked



Thy body is like a round goblet, Wherein no mingled wine is wanting: Thy waist is like a heap of wheat Set about with lilies.



Is my stature like a palm tree?



I shouldn't have skipped the next verse - "Thy breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle."


Seriously.

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

NOV 28, 2007 11:50 PM

Zarth said:
And the bezan shall be huge and black, and the eyes thereof red with the bloodof living creatures, and the whore of Babylon shall ride forth on a three-headed serpent, and throughout the lands, there shall be a great rubbing of parts.



Will the whore be triple breasted and have erogenous zones that start 3 miles aways from her body?

Cremon

Cremon

Marietta, GA
April 2003

NOV 29, 2007 06:13 AM

I am a conservative, and a registered Republican. And even I have a problem with this shit. It has to stop here. You're going to take people charged with saving lives and use them so you can skate the fourth amendment?

I can see people not letting firemen into a building because they don't want them seeing things. Might not even be illegal stuff - just things property custodians don't want to be public (or government) knowledge.

Would firefighters have eminent domain rights in a situation where a property owner refused to let them in a building? If not, would they have to get a goddamned warrant to put out the fucking fire? I want us to be safe from terrorists, but this is bullshit.

What's next - suspending attorney-client privileges?

Give me a BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!

winstonoboogie

winstonoboogie

I'm lost
September 2004

NOV 29, 2007 07:21 AM

Hello All,
As a fire fighter myself I must admit to being a bit bemused by all this so i would lke to clear a few things up.

1. I have never repeat NEVER burnt any books!

2. Our role is "The Fire and Rescue Service" we do exactly what it says on the tin! Its a demanding but very rewarding job carried out by men and women who joined because they have the intrests of there local community at heart.

3. Yes we are allowed into peoples houses daily, these are at the invation of the owner of the premises only ,and normally to put up smoke detectors or give out information regarding home fire safety etc etc.

4. We already have the power to force entry to premises but only if we belive and can justify that the premises are on fire, or to get acess to a fire/rescue or to secure means to fight a fire eg open water, swimming pools etc etc.Have I ever had to use these powers in my job? No most people are pretty decent and will do what ever they can to help their neighbours/local comunity.

5. If whilst at these premises we see something that we think poses a risk would we pass this information onto the relevant agencies? Yes we would, most of the time this involves us trying to get help for deprived poor familes from the social servies, getting care for the elderly etc etc. If however we see captain clever is building a home made balistic missile in his basement would we pass this information onto the police? Yes of course we would! !!!! Would the police then use us to " case joints"? NO, we have quite enough on our plates already and there are law enforcement agencies far far better suited to this rather than a load of great loafing fire fighters!

Just thought I'd clear that up, oh well must be off I've got to go and barbeque War and Peace!!! Muuuuhaaaahaaaaaa!!!!!!!

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

NOV 29, 2007 07:23 AM

Cremon said:
What's next - suspending attorney-client privileges?

Give me a BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!



If you're in Gitmo, you've already had it suspended. Yay!

thefreak

thefreak

NEWSWIRE

Gardner, MA

NOV 29, 2007 08:42 AM

Oh, no! They'll find my scorpion farm! Then where will my scorpions live?!?

(1,000 points to whoever first gets the reference)

-TM

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

NOV 29, 2007 08:48 AM

thefreak said:
Oh, no! They'll find my scorpion farm! Then where will my scorpions live?!?

(1,000 points to whoever first gets the reference)

-TM



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ColdMitts

ColdMitts

Reno, NV
March 2007

NOV 29, 2007 04:17 PM

Someone might have asked this, but im too sleepy and lazy to look. But are they allowed to look through drawers and check inside books and go on your computers, all those warrant-necessary things? or do they just scope out all the things they can see by just being there, guns laying out, etc?

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

NOV 29, 2007 06:09 PM

ColdMitts said:
Someone might have asked this, but im too sleepy and lazy to look. But are they allowed to look through drawers and check inside books and go on your computers, all those warrant-necessary things? or do they just scope out all the things they can see by just being there, guns laying out, etc?



Police are not allowed to do these things without a warrant. If a firefighter were to enter a home to put out a fire or something, I would guess (and I think this is a pretty strong guess) that he would be limited to reporting what was in plain view. There would be no valid reason within the scope of their employment (that I could think of) for a firefighter to go rifling through peoples' drawers or computers. If they did something like that, they would essentially be acting as an agent of the police and they would be beholden to the same rules as a police officer.

In other words, I think you're safe if you put your pot in your dresser. Assuming it isn't still burning, that is.

Toku666

Toku666

Columbus, OH
May 2004

NOV 30, 2007 07:45 AM

oyaji said:
Tools can be inherently dangerous. Fuck, step ladders and buckets come with "DANGER!" warning labels. Why is it so hard to understand that guns are, in fact, dangerous. That doesn't make them "bad." But they are fucking dangerous. Jesus.

The way we fight back against our government in this society is through the democratic electoral process and the courts. The second amendment was never meant to protect us against OUR government.



...that's why I was asking them. Although my personal beliefs would never lead me to actual fighting back against agents of the US government, it wouldn't matter. I'm not trained and I don't have any firearms. But there are users on this site whose personal beliefs may lead to them fighting back against agents of the government, and who are trained in the use of firearms. I was merely curious as to what the more reasonable gun-owners/libertarians on these boards think is the break-point, not wondering when I should get out into the street and start taking down pigs.

As to the other point, I don't understand why people have such huge blind spots about guns being dangerous either.

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