• news
  • TUESDAY NOVEMBER 27 2007 9:00 AM

We Take A Small Step Closer To Fahrenheit 451



The book Fahrenheit 451 was originally a novella called The Fireman. It was written by Ray Bradbury and was meant as a critique of American society. In the book, critical thinking is suppressed and firemen are actually book burners. Bradbury explained what the book was about.


Fahrenheit 451 is a story about how television destroys interest in reading literature, which ultimately leads to ignorance of total facts.


Sounds pretty on target as far as where we are today, except for the role of firemen in our society. They are regarded as heroes, who sacrifice their lives to save what we hold dear. Firemen are the ultimate example of good in our society. But the Bush administration loves to ruin everything and they now have their sights set on firemen.


Firefighters in major cities are being trained to take on a new role as lookouts for terrorism, raising concerns of eroding their standing as American icons and infringing on people's privacy.

Unlike police, firefighters and emergency medical personnel don't need warrants to access hundreds of thousands of homes and buildings each year, putting them in a position to spot behavior that could indicate terrorist activity or planning.


Uh, what? What the fuck is happening? The government is already monitoring our phone calls, our emails, where we fly, our purchases and can turn our cell phones into a listening device whenever they want and now they want to turn our firemen in spies and narcs. Fuck off.

The Homeland Security Department is now testing their new fireman as narcs program in New York City. Firemen are being taught how to “identify material or behavior” of terrorists. If things go well, it will be expanded across the United States of Creepy.


"They're really doing technical inspections, and if perchance they find something like, you know, a bunch of RPG (rocket-propelled grenade) rounds in somebody's basement, I think it's a no-brainer," said Jack Tomarchio, a senior official in Homeland Security's intelligence division.


Yeah, no shit, asshole. Now, why do I think that firemen don’t actually need to be trained to turn someone in if they find RPG’s in a basement? Nice try with the spin, but I’m not a fucking moron. This program is about snooping and getting around warrants; using men who should be doing no such thing.


Even before the federal program began, New York firefighters and inspectors had been training to recognize materials and behavior the government identifies as "signs of planning and support for terrorism."

When going to private residences, for example, they are told to be alert for a person who is hostile, uncooperative or expressing hate or discontent with the United States; unusual chemicals or other materials that seem out of place; ammunition, firearms or weapons boxes; surveillance equipment; still and video cameras; night-vision goggles; maps, photos, blueprints; police manuals, training manuals, flight manuals; and little or no furniture other than a bed or mattress.


Huh, so they already do all that. What a surprise. Now, what exactly are firemen not doing that Homeland Security wants them to do? Here’s a scenario: There is a call to 911 of a fire in a home. On there way there, firemen get a call over the radio telling them it is a possible terrorist home and to search the property. The firemen get there and tear the place up looking for information. Turns out the poor guy is not a terrorist, but his house has been ransacked. And hey, who made the 911 call in the first place? Because the guy who lives there didn't.

911 calls have been abused for years by police trying to get into a home, bringing firemen into the equation is bad fucking news. Although, some firemen seem to be okay with the idea.


D.C. firefighters and EMS providers are in 170,000 homes and businesses each year on routine calls, Schultz said.

"So we see things and observe things that may be useful to law enforcement," he said. "We can walk into your house. We don't need a search warrant." If an ambulance team shows up at a house and sees detailed maps of the District's public transit system on the wall, that's something the EMS provider would pass along, he said.

"It's the evolution of the fire service," said Bob Khan, the fire chief in Phoenix, which has created an information-sharing arrangement between the fire service and law enforcement through terrorism liaison officers.


Oh, good. Then don’t be too upset if a dislike of firemen follows.


It's of particular concern for communities already under law enforcement scrutiny. "Do we want them to fear the fire department as well as the police?" German asked.


Yes, you do. And hopefully after this program is in place, we can get the cable guys going next.

 

Previous

PAGE: 

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6

 ... 9

Next

Comments
ThatTalentedHack

ThatTalentedHack

San Antonio, TX
July 2007

NOV 27, 2007 10:00 PM

damn edit button wont work.

Here's to hoping the next SCOTUS-INTERUPTUS column wont be about this passing un-contested.... blackeyed

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

NOV 27, 2007 10:28 PM

ardour said:


Well, I'm not FTR, but I think the point was that in Fahrenheit 451, the firefighters' original job was to put out fires, but gradually changed into the job of burning books. While it would be very speculative to say that's what's going to happen, the fact that firefighters seemingly are now being trained to be narcs is a step in that direction.



Wasn't really that hard to understand, was it? Hence the "small" in the title.

Clidna

Clidna

Canada
January 2005

NOV 27, 2007 10:33 PM

jpaul256 said:
All things being equal, I would typically respond to this essay, pointing out the factual errors and questioning the basis for the position taken by FTR.

However, that all changed yesterday. For it was then that I received two emails from a "moderator" on this site warning against further posts. It would appear that the numerous attacks that have been lodged against me by some on this site (Chainlink, FearTheReaper, MrCrisp, for example) have been deemed acceptable to the powers that be. However, defending myself and offering an alternate point of view is not.

This "moderator" indicated that a change in behavior would be necessary or my ability to post on this site and maintain a public profile would be removed.

Hurrah for Free Speech!

So, I leave the forums on this site to you, dear leftist. Be safe and secure knowing that I and other moderates/conservatives on this site have been effectively removed from the debate. And as best I understand it, I am the most recent in a long line of moderates/conservatives who have received similar warnings and given up the ghost.

Have fun with your incestuous political debates!


I called the wah!mbulance for you.

Be prepared to have your house searched.

trapper

trapper

Neffs, PA
July 2007

NOV 27, 2007 10:44 PM

ThatTalentedHack said:
Not to say I told you so, but...
This is why the second amendment is so important, it enables us to protect our own rights, by violently opposing a corrupt government

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

just like they did in 1776


I am not advocating armed revolt. I'm simply stating that, while guns may be dangerous and bad, I will never believe that they could be as dangerous as our elected officials could be.

keep your guns keep your freedom.



Guns are not bad or dangerous, just the people that have then.

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

NOV 27, 2007 10:45 PM

jpaul256 said:
All things being equal, I would typically respond to this essay, pointing out the factual errors and questioning the basis for the position taken by FTR.

However, that all changed yesterday. For it was then that I received two emails from a "moderator" on this site warning against further posts. It would appear that the numerous attacks that have been lodged against me by some on this site (Chainlink, FearTheReaper, MrCrisp, for example) have been deemed acceptable to the powers that be. However, defending myself and offering an alternate point of view is not.

This "moderator" indicated that a change in behavior would be necessary or my ability to post on this site and maintain a public profile would be removed.

Hurrah for Free Speech!

So, I leave the forums on this site to you, dear leftist. Be safe and secure knowing that I and other moderates/conservatives on this site have been effectively removed from the debate. And as best I understand it, I am the most recent in a long line of moderates/conservatives who have received similar warnings and given up the ghost.

Have fun with your incestuous political debates!



The funny thing is, when this post - being nothing more than a continuation of the hamfisted, ill-advised jackassery thinly-disguised as "proper debate" which, despite his wails otherwise, got him in trouble in the first place - finally does get him the zot, instead of realizing that it was not his opinions but his attitude which caused him to be vilified, he will actually somehow think himself vindicated.

trapper

trapper

Neffs, PA
July 2007

NOV 27, 2007 10:45 PM

You knew that was coming surreal

trapper

trapper

Neffs, PA
July 2007

NOV 27, 2007 10:48 PM

BlastProcessing said:

jpaul256 said:
All things being equal, I would typically respond to this essay, pointing out the factual errors and questioning the basis for the position taken by FTR.

However, that all changed yesterday. For it was then that I received two emails from a "moderator" on this site warning against further posts. It would appear that the numerous attacks that have been lodged against me by some on this site (Chainlink, FearTheReaper, MrCrisp, for example) have been deemed acceptable to the powers that be. However, defending myself and offering an alternate point of view is not.

This "moderator" indicated that a change in behavior would be necessary or my ability to post on this site and maintain a public profile would be removed.

Hurrah for Free Speech!

So, I leave the forums on this site to you, dear leftist. Be safe and secure knowing that I and other moderates/conservatives on this site have been effectively removed from the debate. And as best I understand it, I am the most recent in a long line of moderates/conservatives who have received similar warnings and given up the ghost.

Have fun with your incestuous political debates!



The funny thing is, when this post - being nothing more than a continuation of the hamfisted, ill-advised jackassery thinly-disguised as "proper debate" which, despite his wails otherwise, got him in trouble in the first place - finally does get him the zot, instead of realizing that it was not his opinions but his attitude which caused him to be vilified, he will actually somehow think himself vindicated.



Holy Crap Reaper, hope I don't get the ZOT ! I kind of like it here

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

NOV 27, 2007 10:55 PM

trapper said:

BlastProcessing said:

jpaul256 said:
All things being equal, I would typically respond to this essay, pointing out the factual errors and questioning the basis for the position taken by FTR.

However, that all changed yesterday. For it was then that I received two emails from a "moderator" on this site warning against further posts. It would appear that the numerous attacks that have been lodged against me by some on this site (Chainlink, FearTheReaper, MrCrisp, for example) have been deemed acceptable to the powers that be. However, defending myself and offering an alternate point of view is not.

This "moderator" indicated that a change in behavior would be necessary or my ability to post on this site and maintain a public profile would be removed.

Hurrah for Free Speech!

So, I leave the forums on this site to you, dear leftist. Be safe and secure knowing that I and other moderates/conservatives on this site have been effectively removed from the debate. And as best I understand it, I am the most recent in a long line of moderates/conservatives who have received similar warnings and given up the ghost.

Have fun with your incestuous political debates!



The funny thing is, when this post - being nothing more than a continuation of the hamfisted, ill-advised jackassery thinly-disguised as "proper debate" which, despite his wails otherwise, got him in trouble in the first place - finally does get him the zot, instead of realizing that it was not his opinions but his attitude which caused him to be vilified, he will actually somehow think himself vindicated.



Holy Crap Reaper, hope I don't get the ZOT ! I kind of like it here



You are not a bad one. Nobody has a problem with your douchbaggery.

trapper

trapper

Neffs, PA
July 2007

NOV 27, 2007 11:05 PM

FearTheReaper said:

trapper said:

BlastProcessing said:

jpaul256 said:
All things being equal, I would typically respond to this essay, pointing out the factual errors and questioning the basis for the position taken by FTR.

However, that all changed yesterday. For it was then that I received two emails from a "moderator" on this site warning against further posts. It would appear that the numerous attacks that have been lodged against me by some on this site (Chainlink, FearTheReaper, MrCrisp, for example) have been deemed acceptable to the powers that be. However, defending myself and offering an alternate point of view is not.

This "moderator" indicated that a change in behavior would be necessary or my ability to post on this site and maintain a public profile would be removed.

Hurrah for Free Speech!

So, I leave the forums on this site to you, dear leftist. Be safe and secure knowing that I and other moderates/conservatives on this site have been effectively removed from the debate. And as best I understand it, I am the most recent in a long line of moderates/conservatives who have received similar warnings and given up the ghost.

Have fun with your incestuous political debates!



The funny thing is, when this post - being nothing more than a continuation of the hamfisted, ill-advised jackassery thinly-disguised as "proper debate" which, despite his wails otherwise, got him in trouble in the first place - finally does get him the zot, instead of realizing that it was not his opinions but his attitude which caused him to be vilified, he will actually somehow think himself vindicated.



Holy Crap Reaper, hope I don't get the ZOT ! I kind of like it here



You are not a bad one. Nobody has a problem with your douchbaggery.



Thanks for the Love in a very weird kind of way!

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Batavia, IL
January 2005

NOV 27, 2007 11:31 PM

Wow, this just sounds like a great idea.

Look what they did to the Coast Guard by making them "anti-terror" assets. Now they're so busy looking up their own asses for terrorism that they can't do their job of actually helping people at sea.

trapper

trapper

Neffs, PA
July 2007

NOV 27, 2007 11:32 PM

Hey Reaper, while I have you here. I know it has nothing to do with the Post at hand- but I haven't read anything about the Writers Strike in the papers for the past 2 weeks ! Hope you can give an update soon. Douchbaggery ? Wow, that's a great fuckin' word ! LOL love

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

NOV 28, 2007 01:46 AM

jpaul256 said:
All things being equal, I would typically respond to this essay, pointing out the factual errors and questioning the basis for the position taken by FTR.

However, that all changed yesterday. For it was then that I received two emails from a "moderator" on this site warning against further posts. It would appear that the numerous attacks that have been lodged against me by some on this site (Chainlink, FearTheReaper, MrCrisp, for example) have been deemed acceptable to the powers that be. However, defending myself and offering an alternate point of view is not.

This "moderator" indicated that a change in behavior would be necessary or my ability to post on this site and maintain a public profile would be removed.

Hurrah for Free Speech!

So, I leave the forums on this site to you, dear leftist. Be safe and secure knowing that I and other moderates/conservatives on this site have been effectively removed from the debate. And as best I understand it, I am the most recent in a long line of moderates/conservatives who have received similar warnings and given up the ghost.

Have fun with your incestuous political debates!



Way to take it like a man, dude.

Falsephaedrus

falsephaedrus

Saskatoon, SK
July 2004

NOV 28, 2007 02:01 AM

Now, I'm gonna check with some firefighters tomorrow, but as far as the EMS goes, we don't tell anyone else shit. Maybe it's different up here in Canada, but us EMS providers have to follow the rules of "patient confidentiality". So that they'll trust us. So that they'll tell us all the details, including illegal ones, about their illnesses, so that we can SAVE THEIR LIVES. Fuck disclosure. We ain't allowed to tell, and we wouldn't if we could. Patient care comes first.

Wendy

Wendy

SUICIDEGIRL

Israel

NOV 28, 2007 04:25 AM

joker_ said:

FearTheReaper said:
Because then he can't be the victim. Now this is a place where if one presents an opposing opinion, then they will be flagged and driven off the site. At no point will he take responsibility for his own actions.

Very childlike and not surprising. We have seen his kind many, many times. The next one will be along in a week or so....



It is an odd behavior that. I sometimes wonder if it is related to the psychological disorder where people believe they are Jesus.



It's funny to me that in asking him to behave in civil discourse you call him schizophrenic.

Mankarlen

Mankarlen

Columbia City, OR
June 2006

NOV 28, 2007 05:14 AM

OK we have had this type of laws on the books for many years it is called assessory after the fact. which states if you learn of a crime and do not report it you can be charged with the crime (ie) Tanya Harding. So where is this with the firefighters different, finding something illegall and reporting it?

Previous

PAGE: 

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6

 ... 9

Next