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  • TUESDAY NOVEMBER 27 2007 9:00 AM

We Take A Small Step Closer To Fahrenheit 451



The book Fahrenheit 451 was originally a novella called The Fireman. It was written by Ray Bradbury and was meant as a critique of American society. In the book, critical thinking is suppressed and firemen are actually book burners. Bradbury explained what the book was about.


Fahrenheit 451 is a story about how television destroys interest in reading literature, which ultimately leads to ignorance of total facts.


Sounds pretty on target as far as where we are today, except for the role of firemen in our society. They are regarded as heroes, who sacrifice their lives to save what we hold dear. Firemen are the ultimate example of good in our society. But the Bush administration loves to ruin everything and they now have their sights set on firemen.


Firefighters in major cities are being trained to take on a new role as lookouts for terrorism, raising concerns of eroding their standing as American icons and infringing on people's privacy.

Unlike police, firefighters and emergency medical personnel don't need warrants to access hundreds of thousands of homes and buildings each year, putting them in a position to spot behavior that could indicate terrorist activity or planning.


Uh, what? What the fuck is happening? The government is already monitoring our phone calls, our emails, where we fly, our purchases and can turn our cell phones into a listening device whenever they want and now they want to turn our firemen in spies and narcs. Fuck off.

The Homeland Security Department is now testing their new fireman as narcs program in New York City. Firemen are being taught how to “identify material or behavior” of terrorists. If things go well, it will be expanded across the United States of Creepy.


"They're really doing technical inspections, and if perchance they find something like, you know, a bunch of RPG (rocket-propelled grenade) rounds in somebody's basement, I think it's a no-brainer," said Jack Tomarchio, a senior official in Homeland Security's intelligence division.


Yeah, no shit, asshole. Now, why do I think that firemen don’t actually need to be trained to turn someone in if they find RPG’s in a basement? Nice try with the spin, but I’m not a fucking moron. This program is about snooping and getting around warrants; using men who should be doing no such thing.


Even before the federal program began, New York firefighters and inspectors had been training to recognize materials and behavior the government identifies as "signs of planning and support for terrorism."

When going to private residences, for example, they are told to be alert for a person who is hostile, uncooperative or expressing hate or discontent with the United States; unusual chemicals or other materials that seem out of place; ammunition, firearms or weapons boxes; surveillance equipment; still and video cameras; night-vision goggles; maps, photos, blueprints; police manuals, training manuals, flight manuals; and little or no furniture other than a bed or mattress.


Huh, so they already do all that. What a surprise. Now, what exactly are firemen not doing that Homeland Security wants them to do? Here’s a scenario: There is a call to 911 of a fire in a home. On there way there, firemen get a call over the radio telling them it is a possible terrorist home and to search the property. The firemen get there and tear the place up looking for information. Turns out the poor guy is not a terrorist, but his house has been ransacked. And hey, who made the 911 call in the first place? Because the guy who lives there didn't.

911 calls have been abused for years by police trying to get into a home, bringing firemen into the equation is bad fucking news. Although, some firemen seem to be okay with the idea.


D.C. firefighters and EMS providers are in 170,000 homes and businesses each year on routine calls, Schultz said.

"So we see things and observe things that may be useful to law enforcement," he said. "We can walk into your house. We don't need a search warrant." If an ambulance team shows up at a house and sees detailed maps of the District's public transit system on the wall, that's something the EMS provider would pass along, he said.

"It's the evolution of the fire service," said Bob Khan, the fire chief in Phoenix, which has created an information-sharing arrangement between the fire service and law enforcement through terrorism liaison officers.


Oh, good. Then don’t be too upset if a dislike of firemen follows.


It's of particular concern for communities already under law enforcement scrutiny. "Do we want them to fear the fire department as well as the police?" German asked.


Yes, you do. And hopefully after this program is in place, we can get the cable guys going next.

 

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whodoyoudo

whodoyoudo

I'm lost
December 2005

NOV 27, 2007 06:03 PM

Hey, you know that whole Constitution thing? Yeah, it was all just a joke. They weren't really serious about all that "freedom" and "liberty" stuff.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

NOV 27, 2007 06:39 PM

jpaul256 said:
All things being equal, I would typically respond to this essay, pointing out the factual errors and questioning the basis for the position taken by FTR.

However, that all changed yesterday. For it was then that I received two emails from a "moderator" on this site warning against further posts. It would appear that the numerous attacks that have been lodged against me by some on this site (Chainlink, FearTheReaper, MrCrisp, for example) have been deemed acceptable to the powers that be. However, defending myself and offering an alternate point of view is not.

This "moderator" indicated that a change in behavior would be necessary or my ability to post on this site and maintain a public profile would be removed.

Hurrah for Free Speech!

So, I leave the forums on this site to you, dear leftist. Be safe and secure knowing that I and other moderates/conservatives on this site have been effectively removed from the debate. And as best I understand it, I am the most recent in a long line of moderates/conservatives who have received similar warnings and given up the ghost.

Have fun with your incestuous political debates!



Bye. Have fun being a hypocrite.

Thanks for one last post where you paint yourself as a VICTIM!

Now go get some therapy. You're only a victim if you want to be and HOLY SHIT do you want to be.

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

NOV 27, 2007 06:42 PM

jpaul256 said:
All things being equal, I would typically respond to this essay, pointing out the factual errors and questioning the basis for the position taken by FTR.

However, that all changed yesterday. For it was then that I received two emails from a "moderator" on this site warning against further posts. It would appear that the numerous attacks that have been lodged against me by some on this site (Chainlink, FearTheReaper, MrCrisp, for example) have been deemed acceptable to the powers that be. However, defending myself and offering an alternate point of view is not.

This "moderator" indicated that a change in behavior would be necessary or my ability to post on this site and maintain a public profile would be removed.

Hurrah for Free Speech!

So, I leave the forums on this site to you, dear leftist. Be safe and secure knowing that I and other moderates/conservatives on this site have been effectively removed from the debate. And as best I understand it, I am the most recent in a long line of moderates/conservatives who have received similar warnings and given up the ghost.

Have fun with your incestuous political debates!



What a cop out. Couldn't you just change your behavior and engage in civil discourse instead? It isn't that hard, just don't engage in personal attacks. You always talk about taking the higher ground, why not walk the walk?

swirlyboy

swirlyboy

I'm lost
April 2006

NOV 27, 2007 06:49 PM

Gillionaire said:
Sad times we are in.



more like END times

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

NOV 27, 2007 06:51 PM

joker_ said:

jpaul256 said:
All things being equal, I would typically respond to this essay, pointing out the factual errors and questioning the basis for the position taken by FTR.

However, that all changed yesterday. For it was then that I received two emails from a "moderator" on this site warning against further posts. It would appear that the numerous attacks that have been lodged against me by some on this site (Chainlink, FearTheReaper, MrCrisp, for example) have been deemed acceptable to the powers that be. However, defending myself and offering an alternate point of view is not.

This "moderator" indicated that a change in behavior would be necessary or my ability to post on this site and maintain a public profile would be removed.

Hurrah for Free Speech!

So, I leave the forums on this site to you, dear leftist. Be safe and secure knowing that I and other moderates/conservatives on this site have been effectively removed from the debate. And as best I understand it, I am the most recent in a long line of moderates/conservatives who have received similar warnings and given up the ghost.

Have fun with your incestuous political debates!



What a cop out. Couldn't you just change your behavior and engage in civil discourse instead? It isn't that hard, just don't engage in personal attacks. You always talk about taking the higher ground, why not walk the walk?



Because then he can't be the victim. Now this is a place where if one presents an opposing opinion, then they will be flagged and driven off the site. At no point will he take responsibility for his own actions.

Very childlike and not surprising. We have seen his kind many, many times. The next one will be along in a week or so....

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

NOV 27, 2007 07:10 PM

FearTheReaper said:
Because then he can't be the victim. Now this is a place where if one presents an opposing opinion, then they will be flagged and driven off the site. At no point will he take responsibility for his own actions.

Very childlike and not surprising. We have seen his kind many, many times. The next one will be along in a week or so....



It is an odd behavior that. I sometimes wonder if it is related to the psychological disorder where people believe they are Jesus.

kg

kg

Orange, CA
February 2007

NOV 27, 2007 07:55 PM

GeorgeLiquor said:
So, I can still call the ghost busters right?



did you not get the executive memo?
the ghost busters have been booked since the eighties by digging up remains in inner-city graveyards to patrol the potential terrorist hide-outs.
those damn wryly terrorists.

Ascanius

Ascanius

USA
October 2006

NOV 27, 2007 08:18 PM

jpaul256 said:
So, I leave the forums on this site to you, dear leftist. Be safe and secure knowing that I and other moderates/conservatives on this site have been effectively removed from the debate. And as best I understand it, I am the most recent in a long line of combative ninnies who have received similar warnings and given up the ghost.

Have fun with your incestuous political debates!



FIXED

Vidalia

Vidalia

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

NOV 27, 2007 08:41 PM

ruh-roh.

ink_slinger

ink_slinger

Edmonton, AB
October 2005

NOV 27, 2007 08:59 PM

I really hate seeing this shit happen, especially because, if it becomes normal in America, the lunatics who feel the same way up here in Canada will have an easier time doing it to us.

ardour

ardour

Ottawa, ON
March 2006

NOV 27, 2007 09:15 PM

ink_slinger said:
I really hate seeing this shit happen, especially because, if it becomes normal in America, the lunatics who feel the same way up here in Canada will have an easier time doing it to us.



No kidding. This recent "Tough on Crime" thingl is a little scary in how some of it is so close to the US's "war on drugs" thing.

strndniowa said:
The comparison to Fahrenheight 451 is a bit off



Well, I'm not FTR, but I think the point was that in Fahrenheit 451, the firefighters' original job was to put out fires, but gradually changed into the job of burning books. While it would be very speculative to say that's what's going to happen, the fact that firefighters seemingly are now being trained to be narcs is a step in that direction.

wereduck

wereduck

I'm lost
July 2007

NOV 27, 2007 09:25 PM

FearTheReaper said:

joker_ said:

jpaul256 said:
All things being equal, I would typically respond to this essay, pointing out the factual errors and questioning the basis for the position taken by FTR.

However, that all changed yesterday. For it was then that I received two emails from a "moderator" on this site warning against further posts. It would appear that the numerous attacks that have been lodged against me by some on this site (Chainlink, FearTheReaper, MrCrisp, for example) have been deemed acceptable to the powers that be. However, defending myself and offering an alternate point of view is not.

This "moderator" indicated that a change in behavior would be necessary or my ability to post on this site and maintain a public profile would be removed.

Hurrah for Free Speech!

So, I leave the forums on this site to you, dear leftist. Be safe and secure knowing that I and other moderates/conservatives on this site have been effectively removed from the debate. And as best I understand it, I am the most recent in a long line of moderates/conservatives who have received similar warnings and given up the ghost.

Have fun with your incestuous political debates!



What a cop out. Couldn't you just change your behavior and engage in civil discourse instead? It isn't that hard, just don't engage in personal attacks. You always talk about taking the higher ground, why not walk the walk?



Because then he can't be the victim. Now this is a place where if one presents an opposing opinion, then they will be flagged and driven off the site. At no point will he take responsibility for his own actions.

Very childlike and not surprising. We have seen his kind many, many times. The next one will be along in a week or so....




The best evidence against jpaul's statements: Colinism and
freshprncebelair

(Not saying this to drag someone else into this, but to point out examples of members who are able to express a different viewpoint without being a jackass about it, and they're still around.)

trapper

trapper

Neffs, PA
July 2007

NOV 27, 2007 09:37 PM

Wow, and I thought I was the biggest dick around ! Although- Fireman are public servants and do need special training. I'm not saying they have the right to search without probable cause, but if they see something that looks weird- that causes reasonable suspicion, well Fuck Yea ! Kick ass and take names.

trapper

trapper

Neffs, PA
July 2007

NOV 27, 2007 09:40 PM

Another reason to beat up on me- if your not doing anything wrong, what are you worried about ? OUCH- this is gonna' hurt. Rudy in 08 ! smile

ThatTalentedHack

ThatTalentedHack

San Antonio, TX
July 2007

NOV 27, 2007 09:49 PM

Not to say I told you so, but...
This is why the second amendment is so important, it enables us to protect our own rights, by violently opposing a corrupt government

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

just like they did in 1776


I am not advocating armed revolt. I'm simply stating that, while guns may be dangerous and bad, I will never believe that they could be as dangerous as our elected officials could be.

keep your guns keep your freedom.

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