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  • MONDAY NOVEMBER 26 2007 9:00 AM

Can We Impeach Now?



I know, I know. There is no reason to impeach the president. It would be so bad for Democrats, the nation would be split and blah, blah, blah. Never mind that every day we seem to get more information about an insanely out of control White House. Like last week, when former White House press secretary Scott McClellan made a little boo boo.


Former White House press secretary Scott McClellan writes in a memoir that he unintentionally misled the public about the leak of a CIA operative's name because of misinformation given to him by President George W. Bush, political adviser Karl Rove and other top officials.


Uh oh! That would be illegal. Turns out you can’t lie to federal investigators, and if this statement is true, then that is exactly what Bush did. When Patrick Fitzgerald was investigating the Plame leak, he questioned Bush. George
explained that he had directed Cheney to counter allegations made by Joe Wilson that the White House had lied about Iraq trying to acquire uranium. Bush also said he gave the order to disclose, “Highly classified information” that would “discredit Wilson.”


But Bush told investigators that he was unaware that Cheney had directed I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the vice president's chief of staff, to covertly leak the classified information to the media instead of releasing it to the public after undergoing the formal governmental declassification processes.

Bush also said during his interview with prosecutors that he had never directed anyone to disclose the identity of then-covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, Wilson’s wife. Bush said he had no information that Cheney had disclosed Plame’s identity or directed anyone else to do so.


McClellan’s statement would mean that Bush LIED to Fitzgerald. Martha Stewart went to jail for lying to federal investigators, because it is a FUCKING CRIME. An ex-White House press secretary just said that he “knowingly passed along false information” in order to confuse investigators. Here’s another example of someone committing the same crime: SCOOTER FUCKING LIBBY. Libby was charged with two counts of making false statements when interviewed by agents of the FBI and one count of obstruction of justice – for covering up the same thing that Bush did. Holy shit! Now lets all sit on our ass!

Naturally, our wonderful media yawned and took a nap. I mean, shit, what is there to write about? The president was only just implicated in a crime. Although it’s not the first time someone has given us information that the president was involved. The first piece of evidence came from a guy named Dick Cheney in the form of a certain note he scribbled one day that was presented during Scooter Libby’s trial:



Not going to protect one staffer and sacrifice the guy this Pres. asked to stick his head in the meat grinder because of the incompetence of others.


So, during Scooter Libby’s trial we learned this and now McClellan has backed it up with a statement. Is it conclusive? No. Should Congress open an impeachment investigation? Fuck yes.

McClellan, of course, retracted his statement.


Former White House spokesman Scott McClellan does not believe President Bush lied to him about the role of White House aides I. Lewis Scooter Libby or Karl Rove in the leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity, according to McClellan's publisher.


Looks like someone got a few phone calls from people yelling, “You asshole, you just claimed the president committed a crime!”

Judges and lawyers take notice of public statements because they often turn out to be true. It’s the one that comes later, when you say, “But, but, I meant something else,” that is the lie. And in this case, the statement is corroborated by actual evidence presented during a trial. And what happened to that trial anyway?

Oh, right, a pardon. For a guy who could have avoided jail by squealing on…the president. Well, now, that is a big fucking crime, isn’t it?

But, I know, an impeachment investigation would be bad for Democrats. And that is really the greater good, isn’t it? Not the rule of law, but the rule of party.

 

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sweetmistake

sweetmistake

Chicago, IL
November 2007

NOV 26, 2007 09:17 AM

He never should have been elected to begin with, he should have never been put into office when he clearly did not get the vote... Boy, do I even feel like ranting about this? So much to say on the issue and so little time to do it...oh and lied about important stuff, put us at war under false pretenses, has fucked our constitution up the ass constantly...boy the list gets kind of long. frown

LostLucy

LostLucy

USA
December 2006

NOV 26, 2007 09:21 AM

Why the fuck can't we? Because how can you impeach a dictatorship?

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

NOV 26, 2007 09:23 AM

I seem to remember something about lying to federal investigators being a big deal back in the Clinton days. Not so much anymore.
Actually, I think now it's only a crime ticket for a free rendition if you don't lie to cover the presidents ass.

AmbientLight

AmbientLight

I'm lost
March 2005

NOV 26, 2007 09:26 AM

I'm for more than impeachment. What Bush and Cheney did... the deliberate lies, the fabrication of "evidence" and the waging of an illegal war that has cost so many American (and Iraqi) lives; qualifies as high treason, a crime not protected by "executive priviledge."

I would like to see them tried for treason and then turned over to a world court for crimes against humanity. I would like to see them shoved in a hole so deep, that they never again see the light of day!

The thing is... even with all the evidence that has become public, our society as a whole has not risen up in outrage. I am perplexed by this... as I am by this administration rising to power in the first place. It seems America got what it wanted... and maybe what it deserves.

sweetmistake

sweetmistake

Chicago, IL
November 2007

NOV 26, 2007 09:27 AM

Chainlink said:
I seem to remember something about lying to federal investigators being a big deal back in Clinton days. Not so much anymore. Actually, I think now it's only a crime ticket for a free rendition if you don't lie to cover the presidents ass.



yeah, you'll get in more trouble speaking out against him than he and his administration ever will for the terrible things it's done. must be nice....

code_red

code_red

Portland, OR
July 2005

NOV 26, 2007 09:44 AM

The president owns the U.S. Seriously. +1 on a good article, but no one has balls in this administration or congress.

neutrino78x

neutrino78x

Morgan Hill, CA
October 2007

NOV 26, 2007 09:46 AM

Guys, they are not going to impeach him now. the next presidential election is in 2008, and the next president takes office in January 2009. They can't have an impeachment trial and all that whole process by then! whatever ((roll eyes)) @ the idea of impeaching a president who terms out in 2008.

Plus, the main reason is that there is not enough of a majority in Congress to impeach the President.

Some of you young kids need to realize that our system is better than the Parliamentary system in which the majority party in Parliament automatically gets the Prime Minister (well in theory the Queen of England could appoint mickey mouse as prime minister, since the PM works for her, but she is supposed to appoint someone who has the support of Parliament). So in other words, Parliament never disagrees with the PM because they are always the same party. The Founding Fathers of the USA knew that this was a flawed system.

America has what is known as an adversarial system; the Congress checks the power of the President, the President checks the power of the Congress, and the Supreme Court checks both, they all check the power of all others. For example right now we have a Republican President, but a Democratic majority in Congress. You can't have that in a Parliamentary system.

In a parliamentary system you have to form "coalitions", lest you risk creating "instability". In the American system, you have a majority and a minority and they fight, and that's how legislation gets written. The President can veto, but his veto can be overridden with a 2/3 majority in Congress. In England, the Monarch can veto parliament, and Parliament has no recourse.

Of course, the Monarchy has not used that option in hundreds of years, but as the founding fathers said in The Federalist Papers, "because the King has not used a certain power does not mean he does not have it."

btw I was against the War in Iraq from day 1 -- though I do support what we did in Afghanistan to fight Al Qaeda, and I do support bombing Pakistan and Iran -- and I was a Veteran for John Kerry for President. But this talk of impeaching the President when he's going to be replaced in a year is silly. He hasn't committed "high crimes and misdemeanors". Just because many of us disagreed with the war initially, and now a majority disagrees with the war, does not make it criminal. Congress gave the President permission in accordance with Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, "the Congress shall have the Power...to declare War".

So really this is Hillary Clinton's war, since she voted for it in the Senate. I know that Kerry did too, but at the time we didn't have a viable alternative, now we do: Barack Obama and Ron Paul.

A vote for hillary is a vote to stay in Iraq since that's what she wants to do.

--Brian

Formus

Formus

Milwaukee, WI
May 2007

NOV 26, 2007 09:58 AM

neutrino78x said:
A grade-school interpretation of American government combined with some weird diatribe about English Parliament that came straight out of the blue. Oh, and a Ron Paul endorsement.

Hunkpapa

Hunkpapa

United Kingdom
June 2004

NOV 26, 2007 10:01 AM

neutrino78x said:
In a parliamentary system you have to form "coalitions", lest you risk creating "instability"



not true.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

NOV 26, 2007 10:02 AM

neutrino78x said:

Some of you young kids . . . bla bla bla.



Shut up and get off my lawn punk.


Oh and this . . .

neutrino78x said:

So really this is Hillary Clinton's war, since she voted for it in the Senate. I know that Kerry did too, but at the time we didn't have a viable alternative, now we do: Barack Obama and Ron Paul.


--Brian



is pure gold. Not really worth addressing but funny. You should be a comedian.

Heigai

Heigai

Columbus, OH
May 2004

NOV 26, 2007 10:09 AM

Ramblin' ramblin' man... Damn.

Anyhow, I think you're right off about the "high crimes and misdemeanors." Firstly, you put the cart before the horse. These crimes were committed, and those lies were told, expressly for the resultant "permission" (your word) from Congress. Even were that not true, no part of what Congress voted on gives the President status above the law. If it does, quote me verbatim or no points.

Secondly, war has not formally been declared, and for all my breath I can't understand why this keeps getting repeated. What Bush & Co. did/are doing/will have done is ILLEGAL, period.

JoLeigh

JoLeigh

SUICIDEGIRL

Florida, USA

NOV 26, 2007 10:47 AM

neutrino78x said:
Guys, they are not going to impeach him now. the next presidential election is in 2008, and the next president takes office in January 2009. They can't have an impeachment trial and all that whole process by then! whatever ((roll eyes)) @ the idea of impeaching a president who terms out in 2008.





Uhhh dude what he did is still fucking illegal and he should still go through the process... this being your first reason why we shouldn't is just sad.

Lets just settle and sit around and wait, say fuck it let him go on its only another year. Yeah great idea.... NOT FOR ME

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

NOV 26, 2007 10:48 AM

Formus said:

neutrino78x said:
A grade-school interpretation of American government combined with some weird diatribe about English Parliament that came straight out of the blue. Oh, and a Ron Paul endorsement.



Not to mention that we're talking about the Plame outting here.



Silly Brian, Reading Comprehension is for kids.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

NOV 26, 2007 10:50 AM

sweetmistake said:

Chainlink said:
I seem to remember something about lying to federal investigators being a big deal back in Clinton days. Not so much anymore. Actually, I think now it's only a crime ticket for a free rendition if you don't lie to cover the presidents ass.



yeah, you'll get in more trouble speaking out against him than he and his administration ever will for the terrible things it's done. must be nice....



Come on, we're not that far down the road to fascism. Right now that only applies to brown people.

Adroitbeing

Adroitbeing

I'm lost
September 2003

NOV 26, 2007 10:52 AM

neutrino78x said:
Regurgitated useless elementary blather about things he clearly understands only at the vaguest of levels.

Worse, he failed to research his audience and gain valuable insight into their makeup, experience, vocations, avocations, and unwillingness to tolerate overarching generalizations that ignore both the value and shortcomings of our governmental structure as well as the importance of ensuring we remain a country of law.

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