It is very difficult to explain what occurred yesterday in Congress, but Im going to do my best. It all began with Dennis Kucinich bringing articles of impeachment against Vice President Dick Cheney, which led to the Repuplicans playing games and the Democrats actually voting to stop it, so they would not have to DEFEND Cheney on the House floor. Seriously. That is how pathetic the Democrats are.
First Kucinich read his articles of impeachment into the record and it was covered by C-SPAN.
The Democrats then moved to kill the resolution by tabling it. This move forced the House clerk to have to read the articles of impeachment again, which was also covered by C-SPAN. The vote to table the resolution then was held and it went on much longer than anyone anticipated. Suddenly, Republicans started switching their votes from yes to no. They were attempting to force the Democrats to debate the possible impeachment of Cheney, live on C-SPAN. Oooo, scary!
Nancy Pelosi, in her infinite wisdom and amazing leadership judgment has repeatedly claimed, Impeachment is off the table. Which is a brilliant move because it means Cheney and Bush can do whatever the fuck they want without ever being held accountable. Democrats suddenly realized what was happening: Republicans were attempting to force them to take to the floor on national television and argue against impeaching Cheney. This is the kind of shit that happens when you run Congress like you are the greatest pussies ever to step foot on Capitol Hill.
The motion to table the resolution was defeated 170-242. The spineless Democrats still had a chance to say something of substance about a man who has lower approval ratings than Satan. But that can't happen! So, House Majority leader Hoyer then made a motion to refer the resolution to the Judiciary Committee. Thank fucking God! What if Congress actually had to speak about Cheneys wrong doings? Oh, the horror!
But then Kucinich asked for a vote on the decision to refer to committee. Oh, shit! That little fucking angry Hobbit is ruining everything! Cant he see the Democrats dont want to step onto the political landmine of talking shit about the least popular man since Hitler? Kucinich must have freaked out Hoyer, because he withdrew his motion to send the resolution to committee. Then a few minutes later he un-withdrew his motion. He did everything but run around, screaming, Mommy!
A vote was then held to determine whether or not Kucinichs articles of impeachment against Cheney should be sent to committee. America and Democrats were spared the embarrassment of taking a stand against the political version of Ed Gein by a vote of 218-194. No time limit was given for the Judiciary Committee to report back. Oh, and the bill has already been in the Judiciary Committee for months, so it is officially dead. Murdered by scared Democrats.
In the end, 86 Democrats voted to support impeachment today by voting not to table the resolution. At least on the first vote, on the second one they caved like the Democrats they are. The second time around, only five Democrats stood their ground: Filner, Kaptur, Kucinich, Waters and Towns. I guess it shows some sort of movement. Eighty-six Democrats are feeling so much heat from their constituents that they grew temporary spines. And now the media is more aware and the public is more aware of the growing movement to impeach our version of Vlad the Impaler.
Because motions to impeach are considered highly privileged, Kucinich can introduce it again and again. And he should, if for no other reason than it was fun.
Democrats disgust me just as much as Republicans. Anybody who works with sociopaths will tell you that they have to be held accountable and they need consistent confrontation.
Impeaching Cheney or Bush now would be politically terrible for the Democrats. They may have had a window when they came into office, they let it pass, and now it would look even more like political grandstanding than it would have before. Instead, they get to keep them in office (with the understanding that both sides will be politically neutered) and keep Bush's albatross-like approval ratings dragging down the GOP in general.
It's a grade school maneuver by Kucinich because he's trying to make noise for the primaries and score points with his base. That's all.
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_kungfoo_
Los Angeles, CA
April 2005
NOV 07, 2007 09:49 AM
Oh, we all like Kucinich. It's just a matter if we keep it a secret or not.
American Politics: Style over Substance.
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Formus
Milwaukee, WI
May 2007
NOV 07, 2007 09:54 AM
Subrosa said:
It's a grade school maneuver by Kucinich because he's trying to make noise for the primaries and score points with his base. That's all.
Sometimes we need a politician willing to grandstand. It makes people pay attention and forces them to confront issues they'd normally avoid. Feingold was grandstanding when he proposed Bush's censure, but it was a damn right thing to do.
Formus said:
Sometimes we need a politician willing to grandstand. It makes people pay attention and forces them to confront issues they'd normally avoid. Feingold was grandstanding when he proposed Bush's censure, but it was a damn right thing to do.
You think people are avoiding the issue of Dick Cheney being an asshole?
Oh, and you and Subrosa's avatar pictures look like some bizarre "before and after" shots for Hunter S. Thompson Fantasy Camp.
Subrosa said:
It's a grade school maneuver by Kucinich because he's trying to make noise for the primaries and score points with his base. That's all.
Sometimes we need a politician willing to grandstand. It makes people pay attention and forces them to confront issues they'd normally avoid. Feingold was grandstanding when he proposed Bush's censure, but it was a damn right thing to do.
Sure. I don't disagree with that at all. I mean, it's fine for Dennis because he's not a "party" guy anyway. He's doing what he's got to do to keep his base paying attention.
But if I were Nancy Pelosi, I would have done exactly the same thing she did. The time's got to be right for this sort of thing. At this point in the game, they'd be overplaying their hand. Maybe they wouldn't have when they got in, but right now it's beyond a stretch.
Politicians are corrupt by nature, regardless of whether they are Democrats or Republicans. The problem is that the only impeachable offenses committed by the Bush team are things that the Dems support as well. There's no proof that the Bush administration lied about WMDs. There's only proof that they were wrong. Bill Clinton set the precedent for wire tapping, so the Dems don't want to go there under oath either. It's easier to complain about it to Oprah and the Today Show where they know they won't be called on their hypocrisies. As for the true crimes committed...selling out American's interest to big business and cheap labor and keeping us dependent on Middle Eastern oil, both parties are knee deep in those shit piles, so no one's going to talk about them either.
But I always love reading FearTheReaper's inspiring comparisons of the Bushies. Come on, "the political version of Ed Gein"? Why do I sense that Fear is one of those guys that attends protests with signs saying "Bush=Hitler" (which, by the way, is a slap in the face of every Jewish person who suffered because of the holocaust). I think that if a Republican cured cancer, FearTheReaper would find some way to spin it into an evil act.
Why is it that so many people think in black and white. Republicans bad, Democrats good...except when they aren't willing to stand up to those evil Republicans. If you really think that anyone high up in either party gives a rats ass about the rest of us, you're truly naive. But, Fear believes, like most people here seem to, that Republicans are out to eat our babies and if only the Democrats could grow a spine and stop them, the world would be saved. I'm sure that if only Hillary or Obama could become president, all the people of the world will sit around a campfire singing and holding hands, pollution will stop, homeless people will all buy houses, and American jobs lost to outsourcing and illegal immigration will return home. If you believe that, I'll show you where my leprechaun keeps his gold for a small fee.
eGore said:
Bill Clinton set the precedent for wire tapping, so the Dems don't want to go there under oath either.
Except that whole "Clinton obeyed the laws regarding warrantless surveillance, and Bush completely ignored them because he thinks being Commander In Chief makes him king" thing.
eGore said:
But I always love reading FearTheReaper's inspiring comparisons of the Bushies. Come on, "the political version of Ed Gein"? Why do I sense that Fear is one of those guys that attends protests with signs saying "Bush=Hitler"
Probably because you wouldn't know an obvious joke if it held you down and raped you for six hours. What kind of moron takes that as a serious comment?
I have never called Bush or Cheney evil. Never. Not once.
You write here about "Black and white" while you ramble pure falsehooods. Interesting, and rather pathetic.
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posrein
Santa Barbara, CA
December 2006
NOV 07, 2007 09:08 AM
ndklinst
New Albany, IN
February 2007
NOV 07, 2007 09:21 AM
_kungfoo_
Los Angeles, CA
April 2005
NOV 07, 2007 09:27 AM
Reaver
I'm lost
August 2003
NOV 07, 2007 09:34 AM
Formus
Milwaukee, WI
May 2007
NOV 07, 2007 09:41 AM
Subrosa
San Francisco, CA
July 2004
NOV 07, 2007 09:48 AM
_kungfoo_
Los Angeles, CA
April 2005
NOV 07, 2007 09:49 AM
Formus
Milwaukee, WI
May 2007
NOV 07, 2007 09:54 AM
Uncognitive
Brooklyn, NY
May 2003
NOV 07, 2007 09:57 AM
Subrosa
San Francisco, CA
July 2004
NOV 07, 2007 09:58 AM
Subrosa
San Francisco, CA
July 2004
NOV 07, 2007 09:58 AM
Formus
Milwaukee, WI
May 2007
NOV 07, 2007 10:02 AM
eGore
Dallas, TX
July 2004
NOV 07, 2007 10:08 AM
Uncognitive
Brooklyn, NY
May 2003
NOV 07, 2007 10:10 AM
FearTheReaper
NEWSWIRE
I'm lost
NOV 07, 2007 10:22 AM
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