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Hezbollah East: Baghdad

MONDAY OCTOBER 29 2007 9:00 AM

Submitted by FearTheReaper. Edited By erin_broadley.

TAGS: Iraq, Hezbollah, Iran, Israel, Shiite, Sadr



Hezbollah was started in 1982 by a group of Muslim clerics, with a lot of help from Iran, after Israel invaded Lebanon. Iranian Revolutionary guards were sent to Lebanon to create a militia that would resist the Israeli occupation. Now 25 years later, we get to watch the exact same circumstances create the exact same radical political and military organization, but this time in Iraq.

Iran is certainly funding Shiites in Iraq. Why shouldn’t they? Their greatest enemy, the US, is constantly banging the war drums. The only logical and smart path for Iran to take is to set up another Hezbollah type organization in Iraq. They have certainly learned from their mistakes in Lebanon and will know how to implement a plan that will win over the locals quickly.

Hezbollah gained favor with many Lebanese by providing social services that the government was unable to provide. The US invasion and pathetically planned occupation of Iraq has created the perfect environment for a new Hezbollah to rise out of the chaos and win over the locals. In the '80s Hezbollah provided desperately needed social services, hospitals, schools, along with radio and TV stations. They basically provided the basics to build a society, something the US has not done in Baghdad.

According to CBS News, a Hezbollah type organization is taking root in Iraq. The Mahdi Army has always been a problem for the US. The smart, brutal and radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr is their leader. Much of our fighting in Baghdad has been against the Mahdi Army. They rule a slum and the street fighting can be quite dangerous. But now it seems they have stopped fighting, and that is not a good sign.


Those in the movement have shifted from gunmen to Iraq's equivalent of men in suits.


Last week, US ambassador Ryan Crocker warned that Sadr’s men were taking over businesses, like gas stations and other “basic services,” in Shiite neighborhoods. They are beginning to use control over necessities and social services as their main weapon.


The move suggests what Crocker called a "Hezbollahzation" of parts of Iraq, a reference to an emphasis on social networks as a base of strength that has been the hallmark of Hezbollah in Lebanon.


Now the US finds itself in a delicate situation. To attack the Mahdi Army will be to attack those giving basic services to the people. Whoever wins the support of the street, wins the war.


"If they arrest people who are Mahdi Army but who are not doing military things, people will not like them for it," said one resident of a neighborhood where the Americans are trying to crack down. The sweeps also tend to collect suspects regardless of age.


But the US is doing exactly that, in an attempt to find the “bad guys.” So, one day maybe we pick up the guy who was delivering medicine to sick people, or the guy who supplies clean water, or the mechanic who fixes your car. Maybe we destroy a building some insurgents run into and it turns out to be a medical clinic. This is a situation built for our failure. We don’t understand the culture or the language. Iran and Sadr do.

Looking back on the invasion, this should have seemed so obvious when the looting was going on, as our soldiers stood around and watched. They were not given orders to stop the looting of the entire country. Hospitals, offices, schools; everything was torn apart and carted off. Iraq’s entire infrastructure was demolished in a month. Not enough soldiers on the ground meant massive security problems. Nearly every choice the Bush administration made in Iraq was the wrong one. Now, out of the chaos will rise an organization that can provide help and it’s not the USA. It is a radical Islamic cleric, with support from Iran.

It turns out one country had very shrewd leaders and another one was full of idiots. Too bad the idiots have all the planes and bombs.

 

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Varuka_Salt

Varuka_Salt

I'm lost
October 2006

OCT 29, 2007 04:39 PM

This is fun. Kinda like watching a bug zapper.

Formus

Formus

Milwaukee, WI
May 2007

OCT 29, 2007 04:39 PM

Rabidnid said:
To those of you taking this thread seriously, have you noticed all the naked women???

This site is not about political commentary, its about naked girls and hanging shit on rednecks.


No one in Australia is entitled to talk about rednecks.

jpaul256

jpaul256

Spring, TX
June 2006

OCT 29, 2007 05:05 PM

My girlfriend read my comments and said they reminded her of this clib. I had to admit she was right. We both had a good laugh.

Rabidnid

Rabidnid

Australia
May 2004

OCT 29, 2007 05:06 PM

Formus said:

Rabidnid said:
To those of you taking this thread seriously, have you noticed all the naked women???

This site is not about political commentary, its about naked girls and hanging shit on rednecks.


No one in Australia is entitled to talk about rednecks.



Really? Why?

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

OCT 29, 2007 05:22 PM

jpaul256 said:
My girlfriend read my comments and said they reminded her of this clib. I had to admit she was right. We both had a good laugh.


Speaking as a fairly representative bastard person, I have to say that was pretty redeeming.

Rabidnid said:

Formus said:

Rabidnid said:
To those of you taking this thread seriously, have you noticed all the naked women???

This site is not about political commentary, its about naked girls and hanging shit on rednecks.


No one in Australia is entitled to talk about rednecks.


Really? Why?


America owns rednecks. Seriously. What do you have to compare with this?

jpaul256

jpaul256

Spring, TX
June 2006

OCT 29, 2007 05:29 PM

Zarth said:

jpaul256 said:
My girlfriend read my comments and said they reminded her of this clip. I had to admit she was right. We both had a good laugh.



Speaking as a fairly representative bastard person, I have to say that was pretty redeeming.



I find that laughing at myself is more entertaining, and less harmful, than laughing at others.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

OCT 29, 2007 05:48 PM

conservative said:
You guys aren't even worth commenting with anymore. You are all just so blind to following your own "partisan idiot" FTR. I am tired of trying to pose a different opinion to some of you so that you might have a total experience here. Thought maybe you might like some real insight from someone who was there. But obviously you don't want to hear anything other than your own opinions and to just live in your own little worlds.

So my advise to all of you that support the opninions of people like FTR is learn the Kuran, because it is going to be your religion. Because I know that none of you will be willing to step up and fight once they bring the fight to the shores of the US. You will welcome your new masters with open arms, and then you will all drop your prayer rugs and pray with them, right before they kill you all.



Dear oh dear. Where were you, exactly? In the Philippines? In 1776?

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

OCT 29, 2007 05:52 PM

jpaul256 said:
I find that laughing at myself is more entertaining, and less harmful, than laughing at others.



I applaud this sentiment.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

OCT 29, 2007 05:55 PM

jpaul256 said:

jpaul256 said:
For the most part, the "politics" section of this site has become a joke. It has morphed into a refuge for a few, with FTR as the de-facto leader, that engage in misinformation, vitriol, obscenities and ad hominem attacks on anyone that disagrees with their position.



FearTheReaper said:

Feel free to visit me on your next trip to LA and I'll tell you exactly what I feel about your shocking simplicity combined with your victim complex.

What you are is a man with so little self esteem...

And the "I'm not from either side" card has been played by far more subtle and intelligent people than you.

How can you bee so stupid as to not realize the trail of retarded, obvious words they have left in their wake is beyond me.

When will the unlearned peasants understand that God has sent a fat moron from Texas to teach us the way?

You are everything you preach against. The only difference is that the people you oppose here are honest, while you are so full of shit and deceit that it is astounding.



You have consistenly proven my points for me. Thanks for doing so again this time.



No problem, SGs biggest victim.

And please feel free to point out my misinformation. You attempted yesterday and it turned out you just lacked knowledge - either that or you know more than a former US Attorney.

jpaul256

jpaul256

Spring, TX
June 2006

OCT 29, 2007 06:08 PM

FearTheReaper said:
And please feel free to point out my misinformation. You attempted yesterday and it turned out you just lacked knowledge - either that or you know more than a former US Attorney.



You mean former US Attorney John McKay, one of the 8 that was fired? The same US Attorney that has been agitating for Gonzales to be dismissed since he left office? That US Attorney?

NickFaust

NickFaust

USA
April 2004

OCT 29, 2007 06:09 PM

I always get a kick out of the idea that the US has a right to establish hegemony in the Middle East, but Iran does not.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

OCT 29, 2007 06:13 PM

jpaul256 said:

FearTheReaper said:
And please feel free to point out my misinformation. You attempted yesterday and it turned out you just lacked knowledge - either that or you know more than a former US Attorney.



You mean former US Attorney John McKay, one of the 8 that was fired? The same US Attorney that has been agitating for Gonzales to be dismissed since he left office? That US Attorney?



Yeah, the "partisan" Republican.

Your question alone proves how ignorant you are. But you keep believing you know more than the US Attorney who was just interviewed by Congressional investigators.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

OCT 29, 2007 06:17 PM

jpaul256 said:
For the most part, the "politics" section of this site has become a joke. It has morphed into a refuge for a few, with FTR as the de-facto leader, that engage in misinformation, vitriol, obscenities and ad hominem attacks on anyone that disagrees with their position.




Hey lofty guy, just so I'm aware of how terrible we are and you are above it all, please explain why you are threatening another member in this post.

Please explain, great man of love.

jpaul256 said:

Heathen_Dave said:

nincompoopblathered:
...I feel sorry for you...



Any time somebody says this on an internet forum, my skin crawls. It is one of the most arrogant, pretentious, condescending and ridiculous thing you can ever say, and people only get away with it because it's the internet. The only proper response to this in real life would be, of course, to punch whoever said it right in the fucking mouth.

I hate the internet sometimes.



Send me a private message and I'll be happy to schedule a face-to-face next time I'm in Fayetteville. Should be around Thanksgiving. My family has lived in Fayetteville for the past 15 years.




jpaul256

jpaul256

Spring, TX
June 2006

OCT 29, 2007 06:57 PM

FearTheReaper said:
Hey lofty guy, just so I'm aware of how terrible we are and you are above it all, please explain why you are threatening another member in this post.



Heathen_Dave said:
The only proper response to this in real life would be, of course, to punch whoever said it right in the fucking mouth.



jpaul256 said:
Send me a private message and I'll be happy to schedule a face-to-face next time I'm in Fayetteville. Should be around Thanksgiving. My family has lived in Fayetteville for the past 15 years.



Obviously, Dave made the threat by saying I should be "punched in the fucking mouth." I simply responded by saying that I would be happy to meet him.

You are really straining your credibility by focusing your venom on me. Do you really believe that your middle-school approach to discourse is having an impact? The name calling? The repeated references to my living in Texas (where, by the way, I have lived for less than two years)?

I have a great life in Texas just as I had when I lived in Atlanta, Raleigh, St. Paul, Indianapolis, and Edinburgh. There isn't really anything that you are going to say on this site that will impact that. You simply aren't someone to be taken seriously.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Christmas Island
August 2005

OCT 29, 2007 07:12 PM

jpaul256 said:

FearTheReaper said:
Hey lofty guy, just so I'm aware of how terrible we are and you are above it all, please explain why you are threatening another member in this post.



Heathen_Dave said:
The only proper response to this in real life would be, of course, to punch whoever said it right in the fucking mouth.



jpaul256 said:
Send me a private message and I'll be happy to schedule a face-to-face next time I'm in Fayetteville. Should be around Thanksgiving. My family has lived in Fayetteville for the past 15 years.



Obviously, Dave made the threat by saying I should be "punched in the fucking mouth." I simply responded by saying that I would be happy to meet him.

You are really straining your credibility by focusing your venom on me. Do you really believe that your middle-school approach to discourse is having an impact? The name calling? The repeated references to my living in Texas (where, by the way, I have lived for less than two years)?

I have a great life in Texas just as I had when I lived in Atlanta, Raleigh, St. Paul, Indianapolis, and Edinburgh. There isn't really anything that you are going to say on this site that will impact that. You simply aren't someone to be taken seriously.



The best part of this whole thing is you supposing that anyone would take you seriously.

Good one !

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