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Hezbollah East: Baghdad

MONDAY OCTOBER 29 2007 9:00 AM

Submitted by FearTheReaper. Edited By erin_broadley.

TAGS: Iraq, Hezbollah, Iran, Israel, Shiite, Sadr



Hezbollah was started in 1982 by a group of Muslim clerics, with a lot of help from Iran, after Israel invaded Lebanon. Iranian Revolutionary guards were sent to Lebanon to create a militia that would resist the Israeli occupation. Now 25 years later, we get to watch the exact same circumstances create the exact same radical political and military organization, but this time in Iraq.

Iran is certainly funding Shiites in Iraq. Why shouldn’t they? Their greatest enemy, the US, is constantly banging the war drums. The only logical and smart path for Iran to take is to set up another Hezbollah type organization in Iraq. They have certainly learned from their mistakes in Lebanon and will know how to implement a plan that will win over the locals quickly.

Hezbollah gained favor with many Lebanese by providing social services that the government was unable to provide. The US invasion and pathetically planned occupation of Iraq has created the perfect environment for a new Hezbollah to rise out of the chaos and win over the locals. In the '80s Hezbollah provided desperately needed social services, hospitals, schools, along with radio and TV stations. They basically provided the basics to build a society, something the US has not done in Baghdad.

According to CBS News, a Hezbollah type organization is taking root in Iraq. The Mahdi Army has always been a problem for the US. The smart, brutal and radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr is their leader. Much of our fighting in Baghdad has been against the Mahdi Army. They rule a slum and the street fighting can be quite dangerous. But now it seems they have stopped fighting, and that is not a good sign.


Those in the movement have shifted from gunmen to Iraq's equivalent of men in suits.


Last week, US ambassador Ryan Crocker warned that Sadr’s men were taking over businesses, like gas stations and other “basic services,” in Shiite neighborhoods. They are beginning to use control over necessities and social services as their main weapon.


The move suggests what Crocker called a "Hezbollahzation" of parts of Iraq, a reference to an emphasis on social networks as a base of strength that has been the hallmark of Hezbollah in Lebanon.


Now the US finds itself in a delicate situation. To attack the Mahdi Army will be to attack those giving basic services to the people. Whoever wins the support of the street, wins the war.


"If they arrest people who are Mahdi Army but who are not doing military things, people will not like them for it," said one resident of a neighborhood where the Americans are trying to crack down. The sweeps also tend to collect suspects regardless of age.


But the US is doing exactly that, in an attempt to find the “bad guys.” So, one day maybe we pick up the guy who was delivering medicine to sick people, or the guy who supplies clean water, or the mechanic who fixes your car. Maybe we destroy a building some insurgents run into and it turns out to be a medical clinic. This is a situation built for our failure. We don’t understand the culture or the language. Iran and Sadr do.

Looking back on the invasion, this should have seemed so obvious when the looting was going on, as our soldiers stood around and watched. They were not given orders to stop the looting of the entire country. Hospitals, offices, schools; everything was torn apart and carted off. Iraq’s entire infrastructure was demolished in a month. Not enough soldiers on the ground meant massive security problems. Nearly every choice the Bush administration made in Iraq was the wrong one. Now, out of the chaos will rise an organization that can provide help and it’s not the USA. It is a radical Islamic cleric, with support from Iran.

It turns out one country had very shrewd leaders and another one was full of idiots. Too bad the idiots have all the planes and bombs.

 

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01_Conservative

01_Conservative

San Diego, CA
March 2004

OCT 29, 2007 03:00 PM

It really is amazing you all talk about me twisting words. You need to turn the mirror to look at yourselves. You take my words and twist them all around. Let's be honest the media is not conservative, is it? It is totally liberal and it has been at 20 years since there has been a true news REPORTER. Media is dominated by liberals and therefore the news is dominated by their views and beliefs. You call names and use other childish methods when someone says something you don't like.

And ardour, who isn't smart enough to know that a name is supposed to be capitalized tries to sound smart but just ends up sounding ridiculous, and makes absolutely no sense at all. So again I bid you adou, for now.

Because you all need my help to keep yourselves under control.

jpaul256

jpaul256

Spring, TX
June 2006

OCT 29, 2007 03:00 PM

conservative said:
You guys aren't even worth commenting with anymore. You are all just so blind to following your own "partisan idiot" FTR. I am tired of trying to pose a different opinion to some of you so that you might have a total experience here. Thought maybe you might like some real insight from someone who was there. But obviously you don't want to hear anything other than your own opinions and to just live in your own little worlds.

So my advise to all of you that support the opninions of people like FTR is learn the Kuran, because it is going to be your religion. Because I know that none of you will be willing to step up and fight once they bring the fight to the shores of the US. You will welcome your new masters with open arms, and then you will all drop your prayer rugs and pray with them, right before they kill you all.



I came to the same conclusion yesterday. For the most part, the "politics" section of this site has become a joke. It has morphed into a refuge for a few, with FTR as the de-facto leader, that engage in misinformation, vitriol, obscenities and ad hominem attacks on anyone that disagrees with their position.

In reality, this is something new. Until the Internet, the best venue for personal expression was letters to the editor published in newspapers and magazines. In that venue, people either expressed themselves in a civilized manner or they were not published. But that isn't true with the Internet. Sites such as this allow members to maintain anonymity for obvious reasons. However, there are some that use that anonymity as a veil behind which they can launch the vilest personal attacks imaginable. Email is another perfect example. Some of the notes I have received on this site have contained threats and insults that I doubt the senders would have the courage to make to my face %u2013 all because I allow for the possibility that neither the left not the right have all the answers and that the United States continues to be the greatest country in the world %u2013 warts and all.

As I said, anonymity on this site exists for good reason. However, it has granted to some the ability to express themselves anonymously and has debased discourse in the politics section of this site. Cursing, ad hominem attacks and/or the utter absence of logic characterize a large number of posts. And sadly, as this is not unique to this site, and because people tend to do what society says it is OK to do, many people, especially younger people, are coming to view such primitive forms of self-expression as acceptable. That is of grave concern to me.

Some might argue that anonymity enables people to more freely express their thoughts. But I would suggest that this is not true. Instead, anonymity only enables people to more freely express their feelings. Anonymity values feelings over thought and immediate expression over thoughtful reflection.
FTR's essays and his responses to comments that challenge his position, along with the comments and emails from others that follow his line of thought so willingly, are perfect examples of this.

Uncognitive

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY
May 2003

OCT 29, 2007 03:01 PM

legionnaire said:

FearTheReaper said:

conservative said:
So my advise to all of you that support the opninions of people like FTR is learn the Kuran, because it is going to be your religion. Because I know that none of you will be willing to step up and fight once they bring the fight to the shores of the US. You will welcome your new masters with open arms, and then you will all drop your prayer rugs and pray with them, right before they kill you all.



Wolverines!


I'll bet you $10 he's masturbated to that movie at least once.



But really, who's hasn't? I mean, the combination of Patrick Swayze, Harry Dean Stanton and Powers Boothe is hard to resist.

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

OCT 29, 2007 03:04 PM

So much for not being "worth commenting with anymore."

Uncognitive

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY
May 2003

OCT 29, 2007 03:07 PM

conservative said:
It really is amazing you all talk about me twisting words. You need to turn the mirror to look at yourselves. You take my words and twist them all around. Let's be honest the media is not conservative, is it? It is totally liberal and it has been at 20 years since there has been a true news REPORTER. Media is dominated by liberals and therefore the news is dominated by their views and beliefs. You call names and use other childish methods when someone says something you don't like.



I'd suggest that the mainstream media doesn't have a liberal or a conservative bias, but a corporate bias. The mainstream media exists to help sell products, and thus will present whatever helps the corporations that own that media outlet sell more products.

So not only does the media lag behind the popular opinion of many major issues (the assumption that negative media coverage increases public dissatisfaction with the war in Iraq puts the cart before the horse), it reflects a bias that leads to maximizing the potential number of customers, which for many social issues is more liberal than average, but on economic issues is more conservative.

However, since the rise of the internet, cable news and talk radio and the demise of the fairness doctrine, claiming that the media in total has a liberal bias (or a conservative bias) is pretty hard to swallow.

01_Conservative

01_Conservative

San Diego, CA
March 2004

OCT 29, 2007 03:10 PM

Leginnaire, Uncognitive you guys are so mature it is really amazing that you can put an entire thought together.

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

OCT 29, 2007 03:16 PM

conservative said:
Leginnaire, Uncognitive you guys are so mature it is really amazing that you can put an entire thought together.


Alright, this just made my day.

Formus

Formus

Milwaukee, WI
May 2007

OCT 29, 2007 03:18 PM

conservative said:
Because I know that none of you will be willing to step up and fight once they bring the fight to the shores of the US. You will welcome your new masters with open arms, and then you will all drop your prayer rugs and pray with them, right before they kill you all.



Uncognitive

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY
May 2003

OCT 29, 2007 03:23 PM

conservative said:
Leginnaire, Uncognitive you guys are so mature it is really amazing that you can put an entire thought together.



Sorry I'm not freaking out at the concept of the United States being invaded by Jihadists. I mean, I've only lived in New York City since the late 80's, so I can't even begin to imagine what it'd be like to live in a city that was the target of a major terrorist attack.

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

OCT 29, 2007 03:25 PM

Uncognitive said:

conservative said:
Leginnaire, Uncognitive you guys are so mature it is really amazing that you can put an entire thought together.


Sorry I'm not freaking out at the concept of the United States being invaded by Jihadists. I mean, I've only lived in New York City since the late 80's, so I can't even begin to imagine what it'd be like to live in a city that was the target of a major terrorist attack.


That's "City of the 9/11 Martyrs" to you, nancyboy.

And no, having actually been there, you couldn't possibly understand what it was like for us Real Americans watching it on our TVs! Now stop exercising your "right" to free speech and advocating your "rights" to privacy and a fair trial and probable cause and all that nonsense, so we can get on the business of defending your Freedom!

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

OCT 29, 2007 03:33 PM

jpaul256 said:
Some might argue that anonymity enables people to more freely express their thoughts. But I would suggest that this is not true. Instead, anonymity only enables people to more freely express their feelings. Anonymity values feelings over thought and immediate expression over thoughtful reflection.
FTR's essays and his responses to comments that challenge his position, along with the comments and emails from others that follow his line of thought so willingly, are perfect examples of this.



Shows how little you know about me. I would say anything to your face. It is what I am known for and exactly why I was chosen to write for this site. They are things I have said to the owner of this site. I say what I feel. Feel free to visit me on your next trip to LA and I'll tell you exactly what I feel about your shocking simplicity combined with your victim complex. Send a message to the owner or the lead editor, Gerry_D, they will tell you exactly what I am like.

You came on these boards and immediately began labelling and making up derogoatory anacronyms, all the while pretending to be better. You make baseless accusations and facts with zero ability to back them up. You survive on opinion and rhetoric.

What you are is a man with so little self esteem that you have to come on message boards, where people are nothing but unkind to each other, and attempt to stand out, as if you are an angel. Who uses message boards to build themself up to be the gold standard for political reason? It's pathetic.

And the "I'm not from either side" card has been played by far more subtle and intelligent people than you. The problem with you saying "the right and left" is that YOU spew out right wing rhetoric constantly. Which make you a guy from the right, dipshit. How the fuck anyone can be so stupid as to not realize the trail of retarded, obvious words they have left in their wake is beyond me.

So, you keep thinking you're better than everyone else and don't look at your own lack of knowledge. You keep believing you are a light in a tunnel of partisan darkness, while you spew out the most vile and retarded partisan shit I have seen in quite some time. You come up with some more anacronyms about how liberals are evil. You keep being "tired of trying to pose a different opinion" you poor bastard. When will the unlearned peasants understand that God has sent a fat moron from Texas to teach us the way?

You are everything you preach against. The only difference is that the people you oppose here are honest, while you are so full of shit and deceit that it is astounding. Not astounding that you practice it, but astounding because you think you are not so obvious that you are nearly translucent.

But you keep playing the victim card, and the 'why can't we all get along card" and we'll keep seeing your for what you are: A sad man who needs to build his self esteem by appearing as a savior to message boards.

So, quit with the fucking games. We're smarter than that, and apparently you.

Westley

Westley

Vatican City
April 2004

OCT 29, 2007 03:55 PM

conservative said:
tries to sound smart but just ends up sounding ridiculous, and makes absolutely no sense at all.



conservative said:
So again I bid you adou, for now.


Stay gold, Ponyboy.

wereduck

wereduck

I'm lost
July 2007

OCT 29, 2007 04:10 PM

conservative said:
Because you all need my help to keep yourselves under control.



Do I dare invoke Godwin's Law here? I mean, it's just so...tempting...

jpaul256

jpaul256

Spring, TX
June 2006

OCT 29, 2007 04:14 PM

jpaul256 said:
For the most part, the "politics" section of this site has become a joke. It has morphed into a refuge for a few, with FTR as the de-facto leader, that engage in misinformation, vitriol, obscenities and ad hominem attacks on anyone that disagrees with their position.



FearTheReaper said:

Feel free to visit me on your next trip to LA and I'll tell you exactly what I feel about your shocking simplicity combined with your victim complex.

What you are is a man with so little self esteem...

And the "I'm not from either side" card has been played by far more subtle and intelligent people than you.

How can you bee so stupid as to not realize the trail of retarded, obvious words they have left in their wake is beyond me.

When will the unlearned peasants understand that God has sent a fat moron from Texas to teach us the way?

You are everything you preach against. The only difference is that the people you oppose here are honest, while you are so full of shit and deceit that it is astounding.



You have consistenly proven my points for me. Thanks for doing so again this time.

More to the point, your assumptions about me are consistently incorrect. I realize that you equate politics with zealotry, but that isn't the norm.

Have fun preaching to the choir!

Rabidnid

Rabidnid

Australia
May 2004

OCT 29, 2007 04:36 PM

To those of you taking this thread seriously, have you noticed all the naked women???

This site is not about political commentary, its about naked girls and hanging shit on rednecks.

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