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Help! Blackwater Is Sad!

THURSDAY OCTOBER 25 2007 9:00 AM

Submitted by FearTheReaper. Edited By erin_broadley.

TAGS: Blackwater, Iraq, Erik Prince



America is birthing a new Oliver North right now. It is a painful process because first we have to find a guy who is totally fucking over the country and then we have to elevate him to the level of right wing hero. The new North is Blackwater CEO Erik Prince and he is one hell of a douche bag.

Prince has been making the rounds on television lately because Blackwater has been murdering people in Iraq and they cannot be prosecuted under current laws. See, Blackwater says it falls under US military laws that give it immunity from prosecution. And coincidentally, the company says it is not a branch of the US military, so it does not have to obey the military's rules of conduct. To they can roam the land killing anybody without consequence. It’s a murder party! Yay!

Recently Blackwater murdered 17 Iraqi civilians without cause. There is no evidence that Blackwater guards were fired on by Iraqis, but a lot of evidence that Blackwater shot at innocents who had no weapons.



A bit of a hiccup by Prince when Wolf said there was no evidence of Iraqi shell casings. Uh, uh uh...


The US military unit on the scene says that Blackwater fired on Iraqis as they ran from the square. Both eyewitness accounts and an Iraqi investigation -- reliant on videotape, interviews and other unspecified investigative methods -- have discounted the idea that Iraqis fired on Blackwater.


There were two teams of Blackwater guards in the area, both containing multiple vehicles. They could have easily fired on each other and then started killing civilians. Either way, they appear to be a group of mercenaries who massacred civilians.

So what to do if you are about to lose a massive military contract? PR push! Send out the emails! Turn that frown upside down! So far Prince has had interviews with The Washington Post, Newsweek, The Wall Street Journal, CNN’s "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer," CBS’ "60 Minutes" and PBS’ "Charlie Rose." Today the company sent out an email.


From: Blackwater Worldwide
Date: October 24, 2007 12:42:04 PM EDT
To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Subject: A Request for Your Support Reply-To: btw@blackwaterusa.com

A Request for Your Support

The Blackwater family is comprised of dedicated and active service providers that work vigorously to support the American nation. In this tumultuous political climate, Blackwater Worldwide has taken center stage, our services and ethics aggressively challenged with misinformation and fabrications. Letters, e-mails and calls to your elected Congressional representatives can and will create a positive impact by influencing the manner in which they gather and present information.

While we can’t ask that each supporter do everything, Blackwater asks that everyone does something. Contact your lawmakers and tell them to stand by the truth. Correspondence should be polite and professional. We don’t support generating negative messages. Tell the Blackwater story and encourage your representatives to seek the truth instead of reading negative propaganda and drawing the wrong conclusions.

Suggested themes:

- Cost efficiency of Blackwater – saving the US taxpayer millions of dollars so that the US Government doesn’t have to take troops from their missions or send more into harms way

- Professional population of service veterans and mature law enforcement personnel

- Sacrifice in lives lost by Blackwater saving US diplomats without one single protectee harmed

If you see a lawmaker speaking good things about Blackwater, contact their offices and let them know that they have your support. Find and contact your federal, state, and local officials by visiting www.congress.org.

Expanding our communications effort starts with you. Pass the word – pass the truth.


Jesus, boo fucking hoo.

Using Blackwater murderers is far more expensive in terms of actual money and the cost of horrible publicity with Iraqis.


It costs the U.S. government a lot more to hire contract employees as security guards in Iraq than to use American troops.

An unmarried sergeant given Iraq pay and relief from U.S. taxes makes about $83 to $85 a day, given time in service. A married sergeant with children makes about double that, $170 a day.


The average Blackwater guard makes $600, which is a tad bit more. And it’s great for our guys because they can see a bunch of assholes driving around killing people and ramming vehicles, while making shit loads more money. I believe that is what is not known as “morale building.”

Today, the Iraqi government hit back.


The private security industry is trying to make sense of the announcement today from Baghdad that the Iraqi government is revoking a CPA-era edict, known as Order 17, immunizing contractors from prosecution in Iraqi courts. Some believe that the State Department will succeed in an anticipated attempt to prevent Americans from appearing before an Iraqi judge, while warning that if a full revocation succeeds, American companies or individual contractors might simply up and leave Iraq rather than potentially face charges in an immature justice system.


That actually sounds great. Get ready for a draft, kids! The US has no business bringing mercenaries into this occupation. It is a recipe for disaster and they seem to have a bit of a problem with restraint. The private businesses are a large reason why we are in a huge hole. They are operating with no oversight, fucking over everything they touch without the threat of repercussions. Our government is giving shitloads of money to corrupt businesses that do shoddy work. Just take a look at our fucked up embassy in Baghdad.


The massive U.S. embassy under construction in Baghdad could cost $144 million more than projected and will open months behind schedule because of poor planning, shoddy workmanship, internal disputes and last-minute changes sought by State Department officials, according to U.S. officials and a department document provided to Congress.


It's all part of the same problem. Private business allowed to run about and do what ever the fuck they want. At this point, the best thing that could happen to America’s misadventure in Iraq would be for the Blackwater guards to be charged in an Iraqi court for killing the civilians. But expect the right wing to circle the wagons and do what they can to help out Prince and his murderers. Then Prince will be elevated to hero status and given a radio show.

 

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bald_eagle

bald_eagle

Indianapolis, IN
November 2006

OCT 25, 2007 05:11 PM

conservative said:
So now add all that up and every war has war crimes. I am not saying that they are right but it happens. If they are committed the perpetraitors need to be prosecuted and put in jail.



And that's the whole point. These guys aren't accountable and don't want to be accountable.

herbancowboy

herbancowboy

San Francisco, CA
June 2004

OCT 25, 2007 05:11 PM

conservative said:
[E]very war has war crimes. I am not saying that they are right but it happens. If they are committed the perpetraitors need to be prosecuted and put in jail.


That's why we should have gone after bin Laden in a police action rather than declaring "war on terror." As for the Iraq war--I agree that all the NeoCon warmongers and profiteers who had been drooling over Iraq's oil reserves need to be prosecuted and put in jail.

In a 1998 speech at the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco, Chevron CEO Kenneth Derr candidly remarked: "Iraq possesses huge reserves of oil and gas -- reserves I'd love Chevron to have access to." He then voiced his support for the current sanctions regime.

source
Keep in mind that Condy Rice was a Chevrong exec before taking her first cabinet position.

Oh, and I like the way you spell "perpetraitors."

Red_Russian13

Red_Russian13

Dayton, OH
February 2004

OCT 25, 2007 06:04 PM

Frankly, I'm torn over the use of contractors, even having been one for a time. I would, however, like there to be a great deal more oversight and accountability. Where I was, the contractor company ran the show, not the State Department, and it made me ill seeing some of the crap that went down. Which is why I didn't renew my contract.

masterfrederick

masterfrederick

Beaverton, OR
November 2006

OCT 25, 2007 06:32 PM

Red_Russian13 said:
Where I was, the contractor company ran the show, not the State Department, and it made me ill seeing some of the crap that went down. Which is why I didn't renew my contract.



Which is why you still have a soul.

stampedeofworms

stampedeofworms

I'm lost
October 2004

OCT 25, 2007 06:49 PM

I back Blackwater.

These guys are professionals, not kids bribed out of the trailer park/project/field with an enlistment bonus. They are fully aware of what a free fire zone is and is not. They are fully aware of what it is like to be shot at and have been under fire before. Many many people who do not know what it's like to shot at, who do not know what it's like to live anywhere other than safely in front of their PC, or even what it's like to be an armed professional, are weighing in here.

Americans a world away in Iraq, Americans being paid just like every other American in-country, killed several innocent Iraqis while protecting other Americans. Something the uniform military has done many, many, many times. This is an attrocious tragedy but part of the greater morass that is war. What upsets me is that a great number of people have rushed to believe the Iraqi authorities over their fellow Americans. Why would anyone believe an infantile police force judged to be corrupt to the point of requiring disbandment by a panel of Police Chiefs from around the world, the same police force who can't/won't prevent it's populance from killing each other for praying the wrong way?

I have a hard time believing dirty cops who confuse religious bloodlust for personal integrity over men who protect diplomats.

They say they were fired upon first. I believe them.

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

OCT 25, 2007 06:54 PM

Welcome to the ad hominem fallacy writ large.

stampedeofworms

stampedeofworms

I'm lost
October 2004

OCT 25, 2007 06:56 PM

Didn't like everything you said, but I like the way you said it.

FattyFatty2x4 said:
HAHAHA this was all a big misunderstanding....You dont actually believe that Americans would fuck up this bad when given a license to kill and an itchy trigger finger, do you? I mean they're merc-......professionals. They have ALL been trained to the highest levels of military discipline. Each has dawned on the fact that glory is for privates, rules of engagment are for bleeding-heart tree-hugging liberals, and that the real cash is in forsaking duty to country for duty to dollar. Look at all the good things they do:

They guard diplomats that stay in fortess-like areas of Iraq because our U.S. Soldiers cant be trusted with such fragile cargo. Former soldiers are better.

They havent lost a single VIP after leaving said AO, because we know that the majority of casualties in Iraq come from IED's. B-dub boys make the soldier clear the route with his face.

They make more than some doctor's while they enjoy their 3-6 month rotations as the $85 soldiers stay 15 months to cover down on areas "too high risk" to send in a $600 specialist.

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To be honest, I think what they did was a tragedy. However, I know first hand how difficult it is to stay on the edge for long periods and not cross the blue line when a shot is heard. In guerilla warfare, proactive trumps reactive. Calling them murderers is a bit harsh and extremely immature. I guess they are guilty until proven innocent, ehh? They reacted poorly and I hope they see fair trial, not under UCMJ or under Iraqi law.

I've heard from many people that Erik Prince is actually a pretty decent human being. Holding him responsible for a situation that was out of his control is like holding GEN Petreaus accountable for the capture of the two 10th MTN soldiers last summer. Furthermore, relating a decorated veteran to Hitler is just childish. He may be handling this like true-blue GWB, but who doesn't nowadays? He's just a flavor of the week in who is corrupt in America.

Blackwater exists because the military cant fill its the Spec Ops ranks fast enough and those with the technical and tactical knowledge who choose to be an operator in BW choose greed over country. This war would be over if the military could operate like BW, but we'd have become the monster we usurped. That's the lure of it. All the adventure, none of the rules. I think its a cowardly way to make a living.

Feel free to call me a kool-aid drinker, but know that I prefer gatorade, lemon-lime.



stampedeofworms

stampedeofworms

I'm lost
October 2004

OCT 25, 2007 07:00 PM

Damn straight!

conservative said:
I am finally glad to see that I am not the only person with a counter opinion on this site.



stampedeofworms

stampedeofworms

I'm lost
October 2004

OCT 25, 2007 07:03 PM

Helluva good point, but cheap shot at Conservative.

herbancowboy said:

conservative said:
[E]very war has war crimes. I am not saying that they are right but it happens. If they are committed the perpetraitors need to be prosecuted and put in jail.


That's why we should have gone after bin Laden in a police action rather than declaring "war on terror." As for the Iraq war--I agree that all the NeoCon warmongers and profiteers who had been drooling over Iraq's oil reserves need to be prosecuted and put in jail.

In a 1998 speech at the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco, Chevron CEO Kenneth Derr candidly remarked: "Iraq possesses huge reserves of oil and gas -- reserves I'd love Chevron to have access to." He then voiced his support for the current sanctions regime.

source
Keep in mind that Condy Rice was a Chevrong exec before taking her first cabinet position.

Oh, and I like the way you spell "perpetraitors."



herbancowboy

herbancowboy

San Francisco, CA
June 2004

OCT 25, 2007 07:15 PM

stampedeofworms said:
What upsets me is that a great number of people have rushed to believe the Iraqi authorities over their fellow Americans.


Some of us have had an opinion on Blackwater for years now, based on the reporting of Jeremy Scahill on Democracy Now! and The Nation. He's even got a book out on the subject, and I certainly did not approve of Blackwater's deployment in post-Katrina New Orleans. I don't like the idea of jack-booted paramilitaries operating in my country (or anybody else's.)

Just because you were unaware of Blackwater's suckiness until al Maliki started making noise doesn't mean the rest of us haven't been paying attention all along. The Iraqi government has only just grown the backbone to corroborate what has been widely known for years.

Red_Russian13

Red_Russian13

Dayton, OH
February 2004

OCT 25, 2007 07:16 PM

masterfrederick said:

Red_Russian13 said:
Where I was, the contractor company ran the show, not the State Department, and it made me ill seeing some of the crap that went down. Which is why I didn't renew my contract.



Which is why you still have a soul.



Whoever said I had one of those to begin with?

But point taken.

stampedeofworms

stampedeofworms

I'm lost
October 2004

OCT 25, 2007 07:28 PM

I

bald_eagle

bald_eagle

Indianapolis, IN
November 2006

OCT 25, 2007 07:30 PM

stampedeofworms said:
They say they were fired upon first. I believe them.



Well, then that settles it! We don't need to waste time investigating.

grrowler

grrowler

Sarasota, FL
October 2007

OCT 25, 2007 08:01 PM

somehow i'm not feeling that great about Blackwater representing america (that is, me, my friends, my enemies etc); I'm getting the feeling someone, right now, is getting the wrong idea about Americans all behaving like this piece of shit and taking it out on me and my family. Imo that's pretty shitty wages for a sergeant; I make more than that just sitting on my butt answering phones. >.<
Imo it's kind of ironic that the embassy going up in Baghdad isn't up to par with american standards; lemme think... Oh I know! maybe because they're hiring natives to build it? Or perhaps hiring American locals to build it; does anyone know what the building codes are over there? LOL Admittedly it is a lot cheaper than sending over US builders and contractors since they'd all have to get work permits every single time they go over there, and they'd be getting hate from the locals since they're taking up valuable work, not to mention that American builders charge more, especially since it's for the US government. Yes, a good builder is expensive, but a bad builder is way more expensive.

edit: it's really easy to assume that the BW was telling the truth about getting fired upon first because a lot of people in this country have a cartoonish image of dark-skinned maniacs shooting at everything that moves pop up in their mind when someone brings up "guns and Iraqi's". Isn't it possible that they made a mistake? Not to say that they're human or anything, but shitty things like friendly-fire happen and nobody likes to talk about it because these guys are supposed to know their shit and mistakes aren't supposed to happen. [i.e. someone accidentally fires their weapon, on either side (or perhaps some rogue kid decided to take a shot at one of them), the BW's think they're being fired upon and open fire at everyone scattering the scene because as all law enforcement know, the innocent don't run.]

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

OCT 25, 2007 08:05 PM

grrowler said:
Imo it's kind of ironic that the embassy going up in Baghdad isn't up to par with american standards; lemme think... Oh I know! maybe because they're hiring natives to build it? Or perhaps hiring American locals to build it; does anyone know what the building codes are over there? LOL Admittedly it is a lot cheaper than sending over US builders and contractors since they'd all have to get work permits every single time they go over there, and they'd be getting hate from the locals since they're taking up valuable work, not to mention that American builders charge more, especially since it's for the US government. Yes, a good builder is expensive, but a bad builder is way more expensive.



Actually, they are using slaves. They are taking people from other countries, telling they will be working is, say, Kuwait. Then when they get on the plane, they take away their passports and tell them their real destination. At the worksite they charge them for room and board, food, supplies, which equals - guess - yes! Their salary!

Slaves who have no experience as construction workers. Some are teachers, cab drivers, etc.

So, the quality of work comes from zero oversight and workers who have no knowledge of building.

I wrote an article about it a while ago. Search embassy. Or asshole. I ususally put the word asshole in my story titles. That should bring up every one.

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