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Be A Good Idiot And Vote For Hillary

TUESDAY OCTOBER 16 2007 9:00 AM

Submitted by FearTheReaper. Edited By erin_broadley.

TAGS: HIllary Clinton, Iran, Iraq,



It is fascinating to watch Democrats make such stupid decisions when picking presidential candidates. We can go back to the eighties and take a look at Michael Dukakis or Walter Mondale. What the fuck? Pathetic candidates. Then came Bill Clinton, the Godsend. Realistically, he squeaked through. Without Ross Perot taking votes from Bush senior, he probably would have lost. And he certainly came with a shit load of baggage. After Clinton, the Democrats picked the most boring man alive, Al Gore. They followed that lame pick with the extraordinarily weak John Kerry. You could offer Kerry $10,000 and he couldn’t say something in a sound bite.

Now the Democrats are in a fantastic situation. The Iraq occupation is still seen as a Republican creation and a Republican problem. The majority of Americans want the war to end. So, who is leading the primary polls? Hillary Clinton, one of the few people running who voted for the war. And she has not backed down from her vote. Now, of course, she says she wants to end the occupation, (because the polls have changed) but she is still a war mongering corporate tool. The one issue Democrats could knock out of the park and they will put forth a candidate that who barely differs from the Republican opponents. Amazing, but consistent.

Sure, we are a long way from Election Day, but right now Clinton is pulling away in primary state polls. As careful as she plays the game, I would not expect a crazy Howard Dean scream meltdown. She has a massive funding machine in place and a shitload of Clinton heads who will vote for anyone who was ever anywhere near Bill. It’s sad, because I don’t see a big difference between some of her policies and Bush’s policies. Take Iran. Here’s what she wrote in Foreign Affairs this month.


Iran poses a long-term strategic challenge to the United States, our NATO allies, and Israel. It is the country that most practices state-sponsored terrorism, and it uses its surrogates to supply explosives that kill U.S. troops in Iraq. The Bush administration refuses to talk to Iran about its nuclear program, preferring to ignore bad behavior rather than challenge it. Meanwhile, Iran has enhanced its nuclear-enrichment capabilities, armed Iraqi Shiite militias, funneled arms to Hezbollah, and subsidized Hamas, even as the government continues to hurt its own citizens by mismanaging the economy and increasing political and social repression.

As a result, we have lost precious time. Iran must conform to its nonproliferation obligations and must not be permitted to build or acquire nuclear weapons. If Iran does not comply with its own commitments and the will of the international community, all options must remain on the table.

On the other hand, if Iran is in fact willing to end its nuclear weapons program, renounce sponsorship of terrorism, support Middle East peace, and play a constructive role in stabilizing Iraq, the United States should be prepared to offer Iran a carefully calibrated package of incentives. This will let the Iranian people know that our quarrel is not with them but with their government and show the world that the United States is prepared to pursue every diplomatic option.


Okay, so what Hillary is talking about here is pre-emptive war. If they do what we want them to do, then all is well. But if Iran does what it wants to do, then “All options must remain on the table.” That is how Hillary has decided to treat a sovereign nation. Seems quite familiar to another president who is currently in office. Never mind that Iran would never attack the US in a million years with a nuclear weapon. Whoever thinks that is a possibility is complete and total moron. And we should not be bombing to protect Israel. They seem to be big boys and can take care of their own problems.

Hillary already has already given Bush the green light to attack Iran’s Revolutionary Guard.


And Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton? She voted in favor of the measure in question, which asked the Bush administration to declare Iran’s 125,000-member Revolutionary Guard Corps a foreign terrorist organization. Such a move — more hawkish than even most of the Bush administration has been willing to venture so far — would intensify America’s continuing confrontation with Iran, many foreign policy experts say.


Ignorance at its best, the same as we’ve gotten from Bush for all these years.

From the Iranian perspective the answer is obvious: Make as many nuclear weapons as fast as you can. We invaded Iraq, who didn’t have them and eventually talked to North Korea, who did have them. It’s pretty simple; a nuclear weapon is the only thing that will make the US back off.

The idea that Hillary actually used the line, “let the Iranian people know that our quarrel is not with them but with their government” is fucking amazing. That’s a Bush line, straight out of the build up to the Iraq war. It also something the Iranian people won’t really go for when bombs are raining down on their country and killing them.

Only targeting the Revolutionary Guard is an idiotic idea. The Guard is not a separate entity from the Iranian population. They are not bred in warehouses on an island.


“They’re not a group of voluntary jihadists signing up to fight the United States. Many are conscripts taken from the regular army,” said Karim Sadjapour, an Iran expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.


So, that should help with the “we only have a problem with your government” plan. We are killing your brothers and fathers because we don’t like your government. Cool? Bombing will only increase support for the Iranian government, rather than foster any roots of democracy.

But keep throwing your support behind Hillary, Democrats. Of all Democratic candidates, she is the only one I could see leading the US into another war.

 

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Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

OCT 16, 2007 07:44 PM

FearTheReaper said:

Saraah said:

Subrosa said:
The level of rage directed at Hillary Clinton is, and has always been, staggeringly disproportional to what she deserves. From both the left and the right.

Not to get all Bitch_PhD on y'all, but you're nuts if you don't think sexism is at the root of that on some level.



+1



Totally. I have no ability to reason when it comes to women. I did not write a lengthy article as to why I don't like Hillary Clinton. I have not at all justified my dislike for her. I am on some level a woman hater. That's why I married a female doctor, because I hate women.

You two are full of shit if you think this to be true. It is a cowardly way dismiss legitimate complaints.



Calm down and read my post more carefully, dude. I was speaking generally.

Moreover, did you really just use the "I can't be a sexist because some of my best friends are women" argument? Really? Come on. You're better than that.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

OCT 16, 2007 07:46 PM

Subrosa said:
Moreover, did you really just use the "I can't be a sexist because some of my best friends are women" argument? Really? Come on. You're better than that.



No, I wrote that I couldn't marry a crazy feminist if I was sexist. And I'll stand by that one.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

OCT 16, 2007 07:48 PM

jpaul256 said:

farva said:
You gotta love FTR...

Rags on one option while discussing not even one alternative, forms an opinion of a politician by looking at one aspect of her agenda and takes every possibly-sinister action and carries it illogically forward to its most most extreme outcome.



So I'm not the only one that thinks FTR is the worst possible excuse for a "columnist"? That he is a profane juvenile who has never posted a column on this site that has something positive to say? That his sole purpose in having this column is to tear down other people, positions, and ideas?

You cannot be an agent for positive change if your sole MO is in the destruction of everything around you.



Okay if I file this away in my "giant baby" file?

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

OCT 16, 2007 07:49 PM

jpaul256 said:
Heathen_Dave said:

FTR isn't a comedian. Comedians are funny. This guy ain't.



Actually, I specifically do not cater my comedy to conservative idiots in Texas. It's a career choice, and one that has served me quite well, I might add.

NickFaust

NickFaust

USA
April 2004

OCT 16, 2007 07:49 PM

s5 said:
That's some scary shit. And get a load of this quote:

There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will.



Wow, invading and attacking Pakistan too?

Oh wait, that wasn't Hillary Clinton who said that, it was Barack Obama, and his comments were not well received.

Oh well, guess you guys will be voting for Kucinich or Ron Paul or whoever.



Really.

What fucking nonsense people are spouting on this board.

There are tough issues facing the US, both in terms of extracting itself from mess Bush has created and dealing with the mess of 50 years of fucked up foreign (and energy) policy.

Candidates have to both look to solving these problems AND say the things that will help them get into the position where they CAN solve the problems.

FTR, find a better, electable candidate. Republican or Democrat or Independent.

It is easy to sit on the sidelines and shoot at people. How about this FTR? You run, you lay out your platform, let's see what you have in terms of solutions to these problems.

WADO

WADO

Brooklyn, NY
March 2006

OCT 16, 2007 07:52 PM

I have so much other shit to do, I cannot stand thinking about the fucking election 18 months ahead of time. I simply do not have time to process all the shit everyone is saying. And I hate the idea of not being informed, but fuck-all, its 13 months away, we still have 12, 13 candidates including some of the wackos like Kucinich, and its fucking months until the primaries come around, which are only there to whittle away candidates until Super Tuesday.

How do I fucking get sucked into articles like this? Damn you FTR and your incendiary political commentary!

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

OCT 16, 2007 07:53 PM

jpaul256 said:
FTR isn't a comedian. Comedians are funny. This guy ain't.



You're confusing being a member of a profession with being good at that profession. (Also, funny is in the mind of the audience. I think he can be quite funny, myself. Obviously you're not impressed.)

Saraah

Saraah

Los Angeles, CA
March 2007

OCT 16, 2007 08:00 PM

FearTheReaper said:

Saraah said:

Subrosa said:
The level of rage directed at Hillary Clinton is, and has always been, staggeringly disproportional to what she deserves. From both the left and the right.

Not to get all Bitch_PhD on y'all, but you're nuts if you don't think sexism is at the root of that on some level.



+1



Totally. I have no ability to reason when it comes to women. I did not write a lengthy article as to why I don't like Hillary Clinton. I have not at all justified my dislike for her. I am on some level a woman hater. That's why I married a female doctor, because I hate women.

You two are full of shit if you think this to be true. It is a cowardly way dismiss legitimate complaints.



Oh come on. I was clearly not talking about you, FTR. a) you are not someone I would ever choose to clash with in a public forum, as I feel certain that I would be destroyed b) I specifically said in my initial post that I was addressing a specific Hillary attitiude and not the rest of your arguments, which seem sound and most importantly c) you've actually met me, and I'm insulted if you think I'm that kind of lady. Pulling out the sexism card every two seconds? Please. I don't think so. If anything I am an over-compensating misogynist, and I believe you know this.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

OCT 16, 2007 08:05 PM

NickFaust said:

It is easy to sit on the sidelines and shoot at people. How about this FTR? You run, you lay out your platform, let's see what you have in terms of solutions to these problems.



Weak. Really, really weak.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

OCT 16, 2007 08:07 PM

Saraah said:
If anything I am an over-compensating misogynist, and I believe you know this.



True.

Sorry.

NickFaust

NickFaust

USA
April 2004

OCT 16, 2007 08:17 PM

FearTheReaper said:

NickFaust said:

It is easy to sit on the sidelines and shoot at people. How about this FTR? You run, you lay out your platform, let's see what you have in terms of solutions to these problems.



Weak. Really, really weak.



Yes. You are right.

You are weak. Really, really weak.

And a coward to boot.

jpaul256

jpaul256

Spring, TX
June 2006

OCT 16, 2007 08:17 PM

FearTheReaper said:

jpaul256 said:

farva said:
You gotta love FTR...

Rags on one option while discussing not even one alternative, forms an opinion of a politician by looking at one aspect of her agenda and takes every possibly-sinister action and carries it illogically forward to its most most extreme outcome.



So I'm not the only one that thinks FTR is the worst possible excuse for a "columnist"? That he is a profane juvenile who has never posted a column on this site that has something positive to say? That his sole purpose in having this column is to tear down other people, positions, and ideas?

You cannot be an agent for positive change if your sole MO is in the destruction of everything around you.



Okay if I file this away in my "giant baby" file?



If you wish. I'll be filing your latest comments under "Lame Retorts and the Adult Thumbsuckers That Make Them"

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

OCT 16, 2007 08:18 PM

WADO said:
I have so much other shit to do, I cannot stand thinking about the fucking election 18 months ahead of time. I simply do not have time to process all the shit everyone is saying. And I hate the idea of not being informed, but fuck-all, its 13 months away, we still have 12, 13 candidates including some of the wackos like Kucinich, and its fucking months until the primaries come around, which are only there to whittle away candidates until Super Tuesday.

How do I fucking get sucked into articles like this? Damn you FTR and your incendiary political commentary!



Maybe you shouldn't use SG forums alone as a basis for forming a political opinion. Just a suggestion.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

OCT 16, 2007 08:20 PM

jpaul256 said:

FearTheReaper said:
Okay if I file this away in my "giant baby" file?



If you wish. I'll be filing your latest comments under "Lame Retorts and the Adult Thumbsuckers That Make Them"



Conservative humor at work here people.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

OCT 16, 2007 08:23 PM

FearTheReaper said:

Subrosa said:
Moreover, did you really just use the "I can't be a sexist because some of my best friends are women" argument? Really? Come on. You're better than that.



No, I wrote that I couldn't marry a crazy feminist if I was sexist. And I'll stand by that one.



Stand by it all you'd like. It's no different whatsoever, though.

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