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Be A Good Idiot And Vote For Hillary

TUESDAY OCTOBER 16 2007 9:00 AM

Submitted by FearTheReaper. Edited By erin_broadley.

TAGS: HIllary Clinton, Iran, Iraq,



It is fascinating to watch Democrats make such stupid decisions when picking presidential candidates. We can go back to the eighties and take a look at Michael Dukakis or Walter Mondale. What the fuck? Pathetic candidates. Then came Bill Clinton, the Godsend. Realistically, he squeaked through. Without Ross Perot taking votes from Bush senior, he probably would have lost. And he certainly came with a shit load of baggage. After Clinton, the Democrats picked the most boring man alive, Al Gore. They followed that lame pick with the extraordinarily weak John Kerry. You could offer Kerry $10,000 and he couldn’t say something in a sound bite.

Now the Democrats are in a fantastic situation. The Iraq occupation is still seen as a Republican creation and a Republican problem. The majority of Americans want the war to end. So, who is leading the primary polls? Hillary Clinton, one of the few people running who voted for the war. And she has not backed down from her vote. Now, of course, she says she wants to end the occupation, (because the polls have changed) but she is still a war mongering corporate tool. The one issue Democrats could knock out of the park and they will put forth a candidate that who barely differs from the Republican opponents. Amazing, but consistent.

Sure, we are a long way from Election Day, but right now Clinton is pulling away in primary state polls. As careful as she plays the game, I would not expect a crazy Howard Dean scream meltdown. She has a massive funding machine in place and a shitload of Clinton heads who will vote for anyone who was ever anywhere near Bill. It’s sad, because I don’t see a big difference between some of her policies and Bush’s policies. Take Iran. Here’s what she wrote in Foreign Affairs this month.


Iran poses a long-term strategic challenge to the United States, our NATO allies, and Israel. It is the country that most practices state-sponsored terrorism, and it uses its surrogates to supply explosives that kill U.S. troops in Iraq. The Bush administration refuses to talk to Iran about its nuclear program, preferring to ignore bad behavior rather than challenge it. Meanwhile, Iran has enhanced its nuclear-enrichment capabilities, armed Iraqi Shiite militias, funneled arms to Hezbollah, and subsidized Hamas, even as the government continues to hurt its own citizens by mismanaging the economy and increasing political and social repression.

As a result, we have lost precious time. Iran must conform to its nonproliferation obligations and must not be permitted to build or acquire nuclear weapons. If Iran does not comply with its own commitments and the will of the international community, all options must remain on the table.

On the other hand, if Iran is in fact willing to end its nuclear weapons program, renounce sponsorship of terrorism, support Middle East peace, and play a constructive role in stabilizing Iraq, the United States should be prepared to offer Iran a carefully calibrated package of incentives. This will let the Iranian people know that our quarrel is not with them but with their government and show the world that the United States is prepared to pursue every diplomatic option.


Okay, so what Hillary is talking about here is pre-emptive war. If they do what we want them to do, then all is well. But if Iran does what it wants to do, then “All options must remain on the table.” That is how Hillary has decided to treat a sovereign nation. Seems quite familiar to another president who is currently in office. Never mind that Iran would never attack the US in a million years with a nuclear weapon. Whoever thinks that is a possibility is complete and total moron. And we should not be bombing to protect Israel. They seem to be big boys and can take care of their own problems.

Hillary already has already given Bush the green light to attack Iran’s Revolutionary Guard.


And Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton? She voted in favor of the measure in question, which asked the Bush administration to declare Iran’s 125,000-member Revolutionary Guard Corps a foreign terrorist organization. Such a move — more hawkish than even most of the Bush administration has been willing to venture so far — would intensify America’s continuing confrontation with Iran, many foreign policy experts say.


Ignorance at its best, the same as we’ve gotten from Bush for all these years.

From the Iranian perspective the answer is obvious: Make as many nuclear weapons as fast as you can. We invaded Iraq, who didn’t have them and eventually talked to North Korea, who did have them. It’s pretty simple; a nuclear weapon is the only thing that will make the US back off.

The idea that Hillary actually used the line, “let the Iranian people know that our quarrel is not with them but with their government” is fucking amazing. That’s a Bush line, straight out of the build up to the Iraq war. It also something the Iranian people won’t really go for when bombs are raining down on their country and killing them.

Only targeting the Revolutionary Guard is an idiotic idea. The Guard is not a separate entity from the Iranian population. They are not bred in warehouses on an island.


“They’re not a group of voluntary jihadists signing up to fight the United States. Many are conscripts taken from the regular army,” said Karim Sadjapour, an Iran expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.


So, that should help with the “we only have a problem with your government” plan. We are killing your brothers and fathers because we don’t like your government. Cool? Bombing will only increase support for the Iranian government, rather than foster any roots of democracy.

But keep throwing your support behind Hillary, Democrats. Of all Democratic candidates, she is the only one I could see leading the US into another war.

 

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wereduck

wereduck

I'm lost
July 2007

OCT 16, 2007 06:55 PM

Pip said:
Ask yourself a question, as a liberal, as a democrat, as some one that leans hard to the left:

Was Bill Clinton a very good president? VERY GOOD, not good, not ok, was he at least very good? I say great personally, but was he at least very good?

If yes, then will Hillary be much worse? MUCH WORSE. Will she be less than a good president? I doubt it. Will she be the perfect wet dream president that you want? No, because that person cannot get elected in America in 2008. Is she the best candidate out there? Probably not, but even Kucinich has a shady past. Look at his election as mayor of cleveland, and look at how that turned out. Yeah it was 30 years ago, but so was a certain DUI, and a certain air national guard "service" that still bother the fuck out of me.

Obama is still to green for me. I like him and he'll make a good president, but I think right now Hillary will be better. Hating Hillary is what THEY want us on the left to do. No republican can beat Hillary, they will beat Obama. There are way too many people that hate/fear black people and they are alreayd voting republican. Given the chance to come out in force it is a large enough number to swing the election to the republicans. Forgive my pessimism but I am right and you know it.

We need Hillary, then we need Obama. This is our best chance to take back our country on a long term basis. Het her if you want, but know that Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Bill O'rielly, and the rest of the right-wing bobble heads are all laughing at your stupidity. They fear her, and I like that. And yes honestly I think she will make a very good president, that is why I am supporting her. She can handle the disaster that is America and clean things up, straighten things out and get us back on track. No one is can handle the current train-wreck.



I don't know about anyone else, but I'm positive that Hilary Clinton will be a terrible president. As bad as the Bush/Cheney machine? No. But, that's like saying having black market organ sellers carving out one of my kidneys is not as bad as being gang-raped by the Aryan Brotherhood. Either way, it's not fun.

Strikes against her:
-Hawkish attitude.
-Cold, calculating demeanor (she makes forced laughter when asked serious questions, in some pitiful attempt to appear 'relatable')
-Part of the Anti-First Amendment Unholy Trinity (with Jack Thompson and Joe Lieberman)
-Loves the interest groups. Well, so do most politicians, but it's still something to be wary of.

Oh, and as far as I'm concerned, voting wise: third party, third party, third party, tra-la-la.

Heathen_Dave

Heathen_Dave

Birmingham, AL
July 2005

OCT 16, 2007 06:59 PM

madbax said:

jpaul256 said:

farva said:
You gotta love FTR...

Rags on one option while discussing not even one alternative, forms an opinion of a politician by looking at one aspect of her agenda and takes every possibly-sinister action and carries it illogically forward to its most most extreme outcome.



So I'm not the only one that thinks FTR is the worst possible excuse for a "columnist"? That he is a profane juvenile who has never posted a column on this site that has something positive to say? That his sole purpose in having this column is to tear down other people, positions, and ideas?

You cannot be an agent for positive change if your sole MO is in the destruction of everything around you.



FTR is not a columnist. Actually, this is the ranting of an intolerant, abusive, mentally deficient, psudo-intellectual, typical, blogger coward,nihilist. Instead of conforming society to his perveted views he needs to seek serious psycological help to figure out who molested him.



Shut up you two, the guy is a comedian. Comedians make fun of shit for the entertainment of others. Quit taking everything so seriously here.

Lemonkid

Lemonkid

Montreal, QC
May 2003

OCT 16, 2007 07:00 PM

America really needs to reform its electoral system; eliminate the electoral college, and open up to other parties.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

OCT 16, 2007 07:04 PM

The level of rage directed at Hillary Clinton is, and has always been, staggeringly disproportional to what she deserves. From both the left and the right.

Not to get all Bitch_PhD on y'all, but you're nuts if you don't think sexism is at the root of that on some level.

jpaul256

jpaul256

Spring, TX
June 2006

OCT 16, 2007 07:06 PM

Heathen_Dave said:

Shut up you two, the guy is a comedian. Comedians make fun of shit for the entertainment of others. Quit taking everything so seriously here.



Hey Heathen! Still interested in meeting so that you can attempt to punch me in the mouth? I know you've moved out of Fayetteville, but Birmingham isn't that far away...

FTR isn't a comedian. Comedians are funny. This guy ain't.

jpaul256

jpaul256

Spring, TX
June 2006

OCT 16, 2007 07:07 PM

Subrosa said:
The level of rage directed at Hillary Clinton is, and has always been, staggeringly disproportional to what she deserves. From both the left and the right.

Not to get all Bitch_PhD on y'all, but you're nuts if you don't think sexism is at the root of that on some level.



There is probable some truth to that.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

OCT 16, 2007 07:09 PM

Subrosa said:
The level of rage directed at Hillary Clinton is, and has always been, staggeringly disproportional to what she deserves. From both the left and the right.

Not to get all Bitch_PhD on y'all, but you're nuts if you don't think sexism is at the root of that on some level.



I disagree, it's not that Hillary is a woman running for president thats the problem. It's that the woman running for president is Hillary.

The fact that there is far less hatred towards a black man running for president in a country with a strong history of slavery and racism says alot about her as a person and a candidate.

Heathen_Dave

Heathen_Dave

Birmingham, AL
July 2005

OCT 16, 2007 07:11 PM

jpaul256 said:

Heathen_Dave said:

Shut up you two, the guy is a comedian. Comedians make fun of shit for the entertainment of others. Quit taking everything so seriously here.



Hey Heathen! Still interested in meeting so that you can attempt to punch me in the mouth? I know you've moved out of Fayetteville, but Birmingham isn't that far away...

FTR isn't a comedian. Comedians are funny. This guy ain't.



I'm sorry.

I think I mistook you for a grown man.

/ignore. (you're my first)

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

OCT 16, 2007 07:19 PM

Colinism said:

Subrosa said:
The level of rage directed at Hillary Clinton is, and has always been, staggeringly disproportional to what she deserves. From both the left and the right.

Not to get all Bitch_PhD on y'all, but you're nuts if you don't think sexism is at the root of that on some level.



I disagree, it's not that Hillary is a woman running for president thats the problem. It's that the woman running for president is Hillary.

The fact that there is far less hatred towards a black man running for president in a country with a strong history of slavery and racism says alot about her as a person and a candidate.


I disagree. I think that it says that we, as a country, are less racist than we are sexist when it comes to politics. I think it also says that Obama hasn't been in the public eye nearly as long, so the two aren't really comparable.

Regardless, I don't think it will matter. Hillary is going to win, and she will beat whoever the Republicans nominate because all the people who the Republicans are considering nominating are awful candidates. And because, as much as it galls people to admit, Hillary's actually quite a good candidate. If she weren't, she'd have polling numbers commensurate with the bile that people spew at her. Instead, she's beating everyone. That says a ton about her viability, people, whether you like it or not.

She has never been my candidate, but she's played this election about as well as it could possibly be played so far. You've got to give the lady her due.

Saraah

Saraah

Los Angeles, CA
March 2007

OCT 16, 2007 07:23 PM

Subrosa said:
The level of rage directed at Hillary Clinton is, and has always been, staggeringly disproportional to what she deserves. From both the left and the right.

Not to get all Bitch_PhD on y'all, but you're nuts if you don't think sexism is at the root of that on some level.



+1

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

OCT 16, 2007 07:29 PM

oonagimaki said:
I am a registered republican male. Thank you for this article. Knowing that Hillary won't be nice to Iran has convinced me to vote for her. Hi Cli 2008.



Sure. And sorry about your lack of wit.

jpaul256

jpaul256

Spring, TX
June 2006

OCT 16, 2007 07:31 PM

Subrosa said:
.
Regardless, I don't think it will matter. Hillary is going to win, and she will beat whoever the Republicans nominate because all the people who the Republicans are considering nominating are awful candidates.



I disagree. I think we are going to end up with a Romney/Guiliani ticket and they will make for a formidable pair.

Regardless, the key is that there is NOTHING that will energize the Republican party like the possibility that Hillary will become President.

Not saying that she can't win. I agree that she is a tough candiate running an excellent campaign. But this next election is going to be hard fought and won't be a slam dunk for either party.

jpaul256

jpaul256

Spring, TX
June 2006

OCT 16, 2007 07:31 PM

Heathen_Dave said:

/ignore. (you're my first)



I'm honored!

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

OCT 16, 2007 07:39 PM

Saraah said:

Subrosa said:
The level of rage directed at Hillary Clinton is, and has always been, staggeringly disproportional to what she deserves. From both the left and the right.

Not to get all Bitch_PhD on y'all, but you're nuts if you don't think sexism is at the root of that on some level.



+1



Totally. I have no ability to reason when it comes to women. I did not write a lengthy article as to why I don't like Hillary Clinton. I have not at all justified my dislike for her. I am on some level a woman hater. That's why I married a female doctor, because I hate women.

You two are full of shit if you think this to be true. It is a cowardly way dismiss legitimate complaints.

WADO

WADO

Brooklyn, NY
March 2006

OCT 16, 2007 07:43 PM

Psybolt said:
Clinton is constantly flip-flopping, and says whatever she thinks will please the particular people she's addressing. Obama never knows what to say in any situation, and wouldn't know what the hell to do with a potential conflict in Iran.

So far I think Edwards is the only one that would do a decent job, and the most press he's gotten is when some idiots were bitching about the cost of his haircut.

We're in trouble, folks.



We're always in trouble. Maybe we can invite Sweden to rule us, then we'd be in less trouble, and there would be fish-snack for everybody!

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