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Be A Good Idiot And Vote For Hillary

TUESDAY OCTOBER 16 2007 9:00 AM

Submitted by FearTheReaper. Edited By erin_broadley.

TAGS: HIllary Clinton, Iran, Iraq,



It is fascinating to watch Democrats make such stupid decisions when picking presidential candidates. We can go back to the eighties and take a look at Michael Dukakis or Walter Mondale. What the fuck? Pathetic candidates. Then came Bill Clinton, the Godsend. Realistically, he squeaked through. Without Ross Perot taking votes from Bush senior, he probably would have lost. And he certainly came with a shit load of baggage. After Clinton, the Democrats picked the most boring man alive, Al Gore. They followed that lame pick with the extraordinarily weak John Kerry. You could offer Kerry $10,000 and he couldn’t say something in a sound bite.

Now the Democrats are in a fantastic situation. The Iraq occupation is still seen as a Republican creation and a Republican problem. The majority of Americans want the war to end. So, who is leading the primary polls? Hillary Clinton, one of the few people running who voted for the war. And she has not backed down from her vote. Now, of course, she says she wants to end the occupation, (because the polls have changed) but she is still a war mongering corporate tool. The one issue Democrats could knock out of the park and they will put forth a candidate that who barely differs from the Republican opponents. Amazing, but consistent.

Sure, we are a long way from Election Day, but right now Clinton is pulling away in primary state polls. As careful as she plays the game, I would not expect a crazy Howard Dean scream meltdown. She has a massive funding machine in place and a shitload of Clinton heads who will vote for anyone who was ever anywhere near Bill. It’s sad, because I don’t see a big difference between some of her policies and Bush’s policies. Take Iran. Here’s what she wrote in Foreign Affairs this month.


Iran poses a long-term strategic challenge to the United States, our NATO allies, and Israel. It is the country that most practices state-sponsored terrorism, and it uses its surrogates to supply explosives that kill U.S. troops in Iraq. The Bush administration refuses to talk to Iran about its nuclear program, preferring to ignore bad behavior rather than challenge it. Meanwhile, Iran has enhanced its nuclear-enrichment capabilities, armed Iraqi Shiite militias, funneled arms to Hezbollah, and subsidized Hamas, even as the government continues to hurt its own citizens by mismanaging the economy and increasing political and social repression.

As a result, we have lost precious time. Iran must conform to its nonproliferation obligations and must not be permitted to build or acquire nuclear weapons. If Iran does not comply with its own commitments and the will of the international community, all options must remain on the table.

On the other hand, if Iran is in fact willing to end its nuclear weapons program, renounce sponsorship of terrorism, support Middle East peace, and play a constructive role in stabilizing Iraq, the United States should be prepared to offer Iran a carefully calibrated package of incentives. This will let the Iranian people know that our quarrel is not with them but with their government and show the world that the United States is prepared to pursue every diplomatic option.


Okay, so what Hillary is talking about here is pre-emptive war. If they do what we want them to do, then all is well. But if Iran does what it wants to do, then “All options must remain on the table.” That is how Hillary has decided to treat a sovereign nation. Seems quite familiar to another president who is currently in office. Never mind that Iran would never attack the US in a million years with a nuclear weapon. Whoever thinks that is a possibility is complete and total moron. And we should not be bombing to protect Israel. They seem to be big boys and can take care of their own problems.

Hillary already has already given Bush the green light to attack Iran’s Revolutionary Guard.


And Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton? She voted in favor of the measure in question, which asked the Bush administration to declare Iran’s 125,000-member Revolutionary Guard Corps a foreign terrorist organization. Such a move — more hawkish than even most of the Bush administration has been willing to venture so far — would intensify America’s continuing confrontation with Iran, many foreign policy experts say.


Ignorance at its best, the same as we’ve gotten from Bush for all these years.

From the Iranian perspective the answer is obvious: Make as many nuclear weapons as fast as you can. We invaded Iraq, who didn’t have them and eventually talked to North Korea, who did have them. It’s pretty simple; a nuclear weapon is the only thing that will make the US back off.

The idea that Hillary actually used the line, “let the Iranian people know that our quarrel is not with them but with their government” is fucking amazing. That’s a Bush line, straight out of the build up to the Iraq war. It also something the Iranian people won’t really go for when bombs are raining down on their country and killing them.

Only targeting the Revolutionary Guard is an idiotic idea. The Guard is not a separate entity from the Iranian population. They are not bred in warehouses on an island.


“They’re not a group of voluntary jihadists signing up to fight the United States. Many are conscripts taken from the regular army,” said Karim Sadjapour, an Iran expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.


So, that should help with the “we only have a problem with your government” plan. We are killing your brothers and fathers because we don’t like your government. Cool? Bombing will only increase support for the Iranian government, rather than foster any roots of democracy.

But keep throwing your support behind Hillary, Democrats. Of all Democratic candidates, she is the only one I could see leading the US into another war.

 

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LostLucy

LostLucy

USA
December 2006

OCT 22, 2007 08:29 PM

Does anyone really like Hilary?

Everyone who seems ok with her simply seems resigned to her inevitability, which really is based on what??

Polls do not always predict the outcomes and we cannot apathetically engage in

Fatalistic acceptance of what the media tells us is a done deal.

I really wish Ray Kelly, Bill bratton, and a few of the education chancellors GHOULIANI fired would step up and tell how about he does not work and play well with others. That way the press might take the heat off the first two wives and kids he fired.

I hope it doesn't sound like spam but I still say Barack is the only anti-war candidate who has a fighting chance still.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

OCT 22, 2007 08:50 PM

In other news, apparently a lot of Bush's neo-con foreign advisers have joined the Guiliani camp--consider yourselves forewarned.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

OCT 22, 2007 08:55 PM

emotedcreations said:
In other news, apparently a lot of Bush's neo-con foreign advisers have joined the Guiliani camp--consider yourselves forewarned.



Actually, Guiliani's foreign advisors may actually be worse than Bush's. Which is amazing.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

OCT 22, 2007 08:57 PM

FearTheReaper said:

emotedcreations said:
In other news, apparently a lot of Bush's neo-con foreign advisers have joined the Guiliani camp--consider yourselves forewarned.



Actually, Guiliani's foreign advisors may actually be worse than Bush's. Which is amazing.

Sweet...but and I may be wrong, I've heard they're pretty much one in the same (as far as those who got Bush into Iraq).

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

OCT 22, 2007 08:59 PM

emotedcreations said:

FearTheReaper said:

emotedcreations said:
In other news, apparently a lot of Bush's neo-con foreign advisers have joined the Guiliani camp--consider yourselves forewarned.



Actually, Guiliani's foreign advisors may actually be worse than Bush's. Which is amazing.

Sweet...but and I may be wrong, I've heard they're pretty much one in the same (as far as those who got Bush into Iraq).



He's actually gone and picked out a couple of guys who were not part of the Bush team and are actually further to the right.

Saraphine

Saraphine

SUICIDEGIRL

Pennsylvania, USA

OCT 22, 2007 09:04 PM

FearTheReaper said:

emotedcreations said:

FearTheReaper said:

emotedcreations said:
In other news, apparently a lot of Bush's neo-con foreign advisers have joined the Guiliani camp--consider yourselves forewarned.



Actually, Guiliani's foreign advisors may actually be worse than Bush's. Which is amazing.

Sweet...but and I may be wrong, I've heard they're pretty much one in the same (as far as those who got Bush into Iraq).



He's actually gone and picked out a couple of guys who were not part of the Bush team and are actually further to the right.



*shivering*

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

OCT 22, 2007 09:12 PM

Sweet....

gwenness

gwenness

United Kingdom
September 2007

OCT 23, 2007 09:05 PM

honestly, Obama for the win.

Virtute

Virtute

Brooklyn, NY
July 2007

OCT 23, 2007 09:22 PM

I'll vote for whoever gets the Dem nod, even if it is Hillary.
I'm still pining for Gore, though.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

OCT 23, 2007 09:26 PM

Gore can't win, Hillary can't either but the Dems don't realize it yet. She is too polarizing to the Republican side, her very presence on the ticket will get the republicans to vote out of fear.

Virtute

Virtute

Brooklyn, NY
July 2007

OCT 23, 2007 09:27 PM

Colinism said:
Gore can't win, Hillary can't either but the Dems don't realize it yet. She is too polarizing to the Republican side, her very presence on the ticket will get the republicans to vote out of fear.


The Republicans don't have a viable candidate, period. Not a winner in the bunch.

Towelly

Towelly

I'm lost
January 2007

OCT 23, 2007 11:40 PM

I'm not panicked yet; most of the voters in the actual places where people will vote, as opposed to the generic polls, are undecided on who among the Dem's they'll vote, and those who support Hillary tend to see her as more liberal than either Edwards or Obama, which is not true, and as soon as people figure that out, I imagine there's going to be a bit of a whipsnap effect as people adjust their votes.

Essentially, she's pulled slightly ahead in Iowa but it's still pretty competitive overall, she's a lock so far in Nevada but that looks like its going to be a joke as far as turnout or impact is concerned, and I haven't even seen the numbers in New Hampshire. In other words, the game is still afoot.

That being said, if the Dems in a field like this insist on voting for Hillary for the nod, I do believe I'm going to sign up as a registered independent and voting straight green/none-of-the-above tickets. I'm apparently in the minority among Dems, but I remember Bill's presidency less with a halcyon glow than as one damn thing after another, with the best he could manage while his party controlled Congress a bill that helped gut the American working class, and after that. . .the midnight basketball program is the only thing that springs to mind. In foreign policy, for every Mideast Peace Treaty, there were 2 or 3 Helms-Burton Acts or Rwanda non-actions. The idea of bringing back these yutzes so the baby boomers can relive their fight over who was right in the 60's for 4 more years is a bit sickening given the circumstances.

As one staunch Catholic wrote on a blog the other day speaking from the other end of the spectrum: perhaps you think I'm hoping for a third party. I'd settle for a second party; the oligarchy party currently has two bases of operation in Washington.

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