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Either that, or he’s a fucking moron. Seriously, it’s the only way one could come to the same conclusion he did last weekend when he said the following in an video interview:

A recent poll found that 55 percent of Americans believe the U.S. Constitution establishes a Christian nation. What do you think?

McCAIN: I would probably have to say yes, that the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation.


While it’s certainly not news that 55% of Americans are idiots, it is a bit annoying that a man trying for the nation’s highest office could be so clueless as to the contents of our country’s founding document. The interview, which was conducted by Beliefnet.com, a multi-denominational Christian website, contained many other inaccuracies and shocking statements. We’ll get to those later, but I want to take this point-by-point here.

First of all, it’s true that McCain proceeded to qualify the above statement by saying that he meant the above in the “broadest sense” and that the Country is founded on Christian “principles”. That’s all well and good (and historically questionable in itself), but it’s light years from the Constitution setting up a “Christian Nation”.

There are exactly two explicit references to religion in the U.S. Constitution. They are in Article 6:

…[N]o religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.


And in the First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…


That’s it. That’s the extent of the explicit religious mentions in the Constitution. Two passages. Both go out of their way to separate the government from religion and establish the United States as a secular state. There is no reference to “Under God” or (as McCain claims later in the interview) “In God We Trust”, nor does the presidential oath say anything about swearing upon the Bible or “so help me God”. None of it. The U.S. even signed a treaty less than a decade after the Constitution’s ratification that emphatically stated:

…United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion…


People like McCain or the other 55% of people out there are just living in self-important delusional fantasies if they think the framers wanted a “Christian Nation”. They’re just fucking wrong and for a presidential candidate to associate himself with this dimwittery is shameful.

Naturally, McCain didn’t stop there in his effort to mollify his Christian critics and up his God-O-Meter rating. Oh no.

Has the candidates’ personal faith become too big an issue in the presidential race?

McCAIN: Questions about that are very legitimate.... And it's also appropriate for me at certain points in the conversation to say, look, that's sort of a private matter between me and my Creator.... But I think the number one issue people should make [in the] selection of the President of the United States is, 'Will this person carry on in the Judeo Christian principled tradition that has made this nation the greatest experiment in the history of mankind?'"

It doesn't seem like a Muslim candidate would do very well, according to that standard.

McCAIN: I admire the Islam. There's a lot of good principles in it. I think one of the great tragedies of the 21st century is that these forces of evil have perverted what's basically an honorable religion. But, no, I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles.... personally, I prefer someone who I know who has a solid grounding in my faith. But that doesn't mean that I'm sure that someone who is Muslim would not make a good president. I don't say that we would rule out under any circumstances someone of a different faith. I just would--I just feel that that's an important part of our qualifications to lead.


Well, thank goodness he said that he admired “the Islam” before saying they would not be qualified to be president. Otherwise, I might think he were applying a religious test to his voting decisions. And even if he were, that would be OK because I’ll bet 55% of Americans think the Founding Fathers were big fans of religious tests for public office too.

But how does Captain Christian Principles feel about Mitt Romney? After all, Mormons are kinda different too.

I believe that the Mormon religion is a religion that I don't share, but I respect. More importantly, I've known so many people of the Mormon faith who have been so magnificent. I think that Governor Romney's religion should not, absolutely not, be a disqualifying factor when people consider his candidacy for President of the United States, absolutely not.


McCain, after taking heat from Jewish and Muslim groups for the above statements, did some of his trademarked straight-talkin’ backpedaling.

*McCain contacted Beliefnet after the interview to clarify his remarks: “I would vote for a Muslim if he or she was the candidate best able to lead the country and defend our political values.”


So, to sum up: he digs the Islam, but they are way lower on the Magnificent scale than Mormons so he’d be very uncomfortable voting for a Muslim for president. Also, he would vote for one if he or she would lead the country and defend our values.

Makes perfect sense. Way to stand on your principles, champ.

 

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semiretiredpunk

semiretiredpunk

Evansville, IN
March 2007

OCT 05, 2007 02:34 AM

I strongly disagree with your tiltle. McCain did read the constitution, as he needed something to read right before he wiped his ass with it.

ASSH0LE

ASSH0LE

Las Vegas, NV
June 2003

OCT 05, 2007 07:36 PM

gdarklighter said:
I think I'll save my outrage for someone stupid who still has political capital.



Bingo.

McCain is practically a non-issue/non-entity at this point.

Enough negatives that he won't even get the bid for Veep. In fact, I dunno who Giuliani would pick assuming he wins the primaries.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004
lefthandright

lefthandright

New Zealand
September 2006

OCT 10, 2007 02:22 AM

out of interest...how many people in this topic thread have read the entire constitution and remember it? apart from the first poster who stated they have just covered it with the children they are educating?

Ascanius

Ascanius

South Royalton, VT
October 2006

OCT 10, 2007 06:39 AM

oyaji said:

lefthandright said:
out of interest...how many people in this topic thread have read the entire constitution and remember it? apart from the first poster who stated they have just covered it with the children they are educating?



I'm going to say a fair few. There are lawyers and other attentive people in here.



Agreed.

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

OCT 10, 2007 06:53 AM

Ascanius said:

oyaji said:

lefthandright said:
out of interest...how many people in this topic thread have read the entire constitution and remember it? apart from the first poster who stated they have just covered it with the children they are educating?


I'm going to say a fair few. There are lawyers and other attentive people in here.


Agreed.


I don't have it memorized line-for-line, but I've read it more than once, and keep a copy handy.

And yeah, there are a lot of fucking lawyers here.

stop_the_future

stop_the_future

Moscow, ID
August 2006

OCT 10, 2007 11:47 AM



, that's sort of a private matter between me and my Creator....



like when I call mom and dad and ask for money?

NoPantsDave

NoPantsDave

Cincinnati, OH
OLD SKOOL

OCT 11, 2007 08:03 AM

Subrosa said:
I gaurantee you mr timjbrjrjrirjrbrij never would have even clicked on half of my articles. So yeah. He can take his uninformed blather and shove it.



Wasn't that Biakabutuka's first name?

As for the great seal talk, the other Latin phrase on the back side of the seal at least implies Chirstianity. It does not state it overtly, but the eye on top of the pyramid can be interpreted as the eye of God. And the phrase also comes from Virgil wherein Ascanius is pleading for Jupiter to acknowledge his undertakings. So, it can be interpreted as the seal-designers asking their God to acknowledge that the republic has come to be. That said, they probably leaned more toward it being the eye of providence or destiny.

hecklongtree

hecklongtree

Westhampton Beach, NY
February 2004

FEB 09, 2008 12:14 PM

Regardless of McCain's statements about the U.S. being a Christian nation, he does not understand Constitutional law.

The Line Item Veto Law, one of the few pieces of legislation McCain sponsored during his two decades in Congress, was struck down by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional (in Clinton v. New York (1998)) because it plainly violates the Presentment Clause (Art. I, Sec. 7). It gave the President the power to cancel spending provisions and limited tax benefits after signing the bill into law. And yet McCain continues to defend this law and maintain that it can be written in a constitutional way, even though the Supreme Court's opinion specifically says it can't be without a constitutional amendment. But, then, McCain probably he hasn't read the opinion either.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

FEB 09, 2008 12:19 PM

ASSH0LE said:

gdarklighter said:
I think I'll save my outrage for someone stupid who still has political capital.



Bingo.

McCain is practically a non-issue/non-entity at this point.

Enough negatives that he won't even get the bid for Veep. In fact, I dunno who Giuliani would pick assuming he wins the primaries.


Awesome predictions, guys.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

FEB 09, 2008 01:47 PM

PointBlank said:

ASSH0LE said:

gdarklighter said:
I think I'll save my outrage for someone stupid who still has political capital.



Bingo.

McCain is practically a non-issue/non-entity at this point.

Enough negatives that he won't even get the bid for Veep. In fact, I dunno who Giuliani would pick assuming he wins the primaries.


Awesome predictions, guys.



I'm pretty sure it was a reverse-jinx.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

FEB 09, 2008 02:23 PM

Subrosa said:

PointBlank said:

ASSH0LE said:

gdarklighter said:
I think I'll save my outrage for someone stupid who still has political capital.



Bingo.

McCain is practically a non-issue/non-entity at this point.

Enough negatives that he won't even get the bid for Veep. In fact, I dunno who Giuliani would pick assuming he wins the primaries.


Awesome predictions, guys.



I'm pretty sure it was a reverse-jinx.


So, you're saying that Giuliani WILL choose McCain for Veep?

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

FEB 09, 2008 02:30 PM

PointBlank said:

Subrosa said:

PointBlank said:

ASSH0LE said:

gdarklighter said:
I think I'll save my outrage for someone stupid who still has political capital.



Bingo.

McCain is practically a non-issue/non-entity at this point.

Enough negatives that he won't even get the bid for Veep. In fact, I dunno who Giuliani would pick assuming he wins the primaries.


Awesome predictions, guys.



I'm pretty sure it was a reverse-jinx.


So, you're saying that Giuliani WILL choose McCain for Veep?



Yeah. So?

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