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Little Hitler Is Coming! Little Hitler Is Coming!

Submitted by FearTheReaper

Edited by erin_broadley

Tags: President Ahmadinejad, American Retardation



President Ahmadinejad is coming to the United States, which gives us the opportunity to see how much Americans just want to be scared. For the past few months, conservatives have been using the media to label Ahmadinejad as the new Hitler. Unfortunately, the evil cartoon character they are creating is actually a man and his visit to the US could undermine the neo-con propaganda machine. But it probably won't.

The neo-cons would very much like us to believe that Iran is Mordor and Ahmadinejad is Sauron. That way the White House’s impending attack on Iran will be justified. Some neo-cons are actually claiming we have been at war with Iran since 1979, which is weird because Reagan gave Iran weapons in the '80s and then used the money from the sales to fund the Contras. That would make Reagan a traitor. Weird logic conservatives, but do what you’ve got to do.

Now Columbia University has come under attack for inviting Ahmadinejad to speak.


"There is no excuse to invite this madman, this little Hitler," said New York assemblyman Dov Hikind. "This is immoral. This is outrageous. This is sick."


Oh, fuck yes. Is there a better way to show we are a free society than by stopping someone from speaking? Speaking WORDS. Oh, the horror. Ahmadinejad might say something like, “Israel should be wiped off the map." Because that is exactly what he said at an anti-Zionism conference in Tehran last October! Neo-cons screamed that Ahmadinejad was calling for genocide of Jews. If the President of Iran says such things, we cannot let them get their hands on nukes!


R. Nicholas Burns, the under secretary of state for political affairs said, "Given the radical nature of Iran under Ahmadinejad and its stated wish to wipe Israel off the map of the world, it is entirely unconvincing that we could or should live with a nuclear Iran."


One big problem with their claims is that Ahmadinejad never actually said those words.


Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to wipe Israel off the map because no such idiom exists in Persian," remarked Juan Cole, a Middle East specialist at the University of Michigan and critic of American policy who has argued that the Iranian president was misquoted. "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."


Huh, isn’t that the same kind of thing George Bush and his neo-con pals said about Iraq before the war? That means Bush was calling for the extermination of all Iraqis! My God! Now Bush wants to kill everyone in North Korea and Syria. What a nightmare! And Reagan was calling for the death of all people living in the former Soviet Union! Under this logic we are genocide crazy.

Further proof that Ahmadinejad is a little Hitler who wants to exterminate all Jews can be found in Iran, where 20,000 Jews live and actually have a representative in Parliament. Clearly the man wants them dead.

Ahmadinejad is also a threat because he is a religious lunatic. The man actually believes his role is to pave the way for the coming of the Twelfth Imam. That is some fucked up shit and totally different from Bush, a born again Christian who thinks Jesus is coming back any second and for that to happen, Israel needs to be surrounded by enemies. Which one of those guys has thousands of nuclear weapons at his disposal?

During his visit, Ahmadinejad also wanted to visit ground zero and pay his respects, but we rejected his request. Turns out many New Yorkers and family members of 9/11 victims were upset at the idea of Ahmadinejad going to the location of the terrorist attack he had nothing to do with. Could you imagine how insulting that would be? When 9/11 happened, Iran expressed sympathy with the US and Iranians held spontaneous candlelight vigils. Iran is also an enemy of al-Qaeda and thought the attacks could open a dialogue with the US. What assholes! Take your respects and shove them up your ass!

Ahmadinejad thought he could use his visit to create some sort of understanding between our countries. He apparently didn’t comprehend our constant desire for a mythical boogeyman. The US loves a Hitler!

Not that he is the greatest guy in the world. Ahmadinejad is the president of an incredibly oppressive regime that funds Hezbollah and other groups who fight Israel. We in the US would never think of funding rebel armies to destabilize another country. That’s just fucking bullshit. And never mind that shit I wrote about the Contras a couple of paragraphs ago.

What most people don’t know is that Ahmadinejad actually has zero power over the Iranian military. Zero. So, he might be the ideal guy to attempt to start a dialogue with. Too bad well never know because he’s pure evil. And we are pure goodness.

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_void_

_void_

USA
December 2006

SEP 24, 2007 09:10 PM

spinhouse247 said:
If FTR could lick Osama's taint he would, then he would write an in depth article on SG news about it. Then again its the degenerates like him that claim Bush flew remote controlled planes into the WTC, global warming is so out of control that we'll all die by 2020 etc. Instead of responding to people on here that have countered him with factual responses he will dig into profile and recant with statement's like "you are a drunk" etc. Well Ted Kennedy is a drunk, killed his wife in an accident and is an icon to liberals. Shouldn't drunks be idol's of yours then friend?



In particular I enjoyed the way you presented a clear headed catalogue of where FTR has claimed that Bush flew remote controlled planes into the WTC, etc, etc ... or did you mean by "degenerates like him" that while he may not have actually said any of those things, you're glad to throw him into that company because, well, you can ... and don't have to back it up ... or something.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

SEP 24, 2007 09:11 PM

Reaver said:
I get that, but I personally think there are too many people who give this knee-jerk 'Bush is making this guy into a fucking boogie-man scenario'.

By the way, I am sure nearly every country in the world is guilty of those things in varying degrees, but again there are far too many people who seem to assume that America is the only one guilty.



You are on a roll, rarely before seen around these parts.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

SEP 24, 2007 09:13 PM

spinhouse247 said:
If FTR could lick Osama's taint he would, then he would write an in depth article on SG news about it. Then again its the degenerates like him that claim Bush flew remote controlled planes into the WTC, global warming is so out of control that we'll all die by 2020 etc. Instead of responding to people on here that have countered him with factual responses he will dig into profile and recant with statement's like "you are a drunk" etc. Well Ted Kennedy is a drunk, killed his wife in an accident and is an icon to liberals. Shouldn't drunks be idol's of yours then friend?



Actually, no I don't claim that Bush flew planes into the WTC because I read. I also would not "lick Osama's taint" and lastly, I would not get 3 DUI's like you did. But keep going with the absurd personal attack.

MrKingMob

MrKingMob

Chicago, IL
January 2003

SEP 24, 2007 09:22 PM

Reaver said:
I get that, but I personally think there are too many people who give this knee-jerk 'Bush is making this guy into a fucking boogie-man scenario'.

By the way, I am sure nearly every country in the world is guilty of those things in varying degrees, but again there are far too many people who seem to assume that America is the only one guilty.



Knee-jerking is bad. I couldn't agree more on that. Especially when ne'er do wells in two countries' governments have a war hard-on for one another. Unfortunately, that seems to be the time when knee-jerking is all too prevalent. I don't just attribute the 'Iran is the Bogeyman' knee-jerking to our administration, however. I'd say that the media is more guilty of this for enabling the administration to feed them sound-bites to that effect that they then repeat ad nauseum.

And on a more broad note... Absolutely, plenty of countries are guilty of the amorphous bad things that are attributed to the US. It's just that we set ourselves up for monumental toppling by positioning ourselves as the premier beacon of democracy and justice in the world and then doing things like supporting non-democratic regimes, breaking international law to invade countries and ignoring treaties to let our chosen buddies have nukes. We lose all credibility when we do things like this and, much worse, we legitimize and enable other "rogue nations" to bend and break laws and do other unsavory things to achieve their policy initiatives.

The US is a leader, but that's a two-way street if there ever was one.

_void_

_void_

USA
December 2006

SEP 24, 2007 09:33 PM

Reaver said:
In fact, I believe I read about the safety and security concerns in the Pile as you call it in the Newspaper.

But I'll be damned if I remember who wrote it.



Like I said, I think its plausible that they used security concerns as the excuse ... luckily for the rest of us lowly folks we can do anything except enter the construction site.

Reaver said:
I'm sorry as a child of the 80's? You say Iran and I remember a flood of people burning american flags and chanting 'Death to the Great Satan!'.

Much better then what I think of when I think of them now.



Burning, yeah ... brings back memories of way back in 2001 when we had that pesky rash arsons of mosques and other places of worship that "arab looking" people attend. You say kettle, I say pot. Both happened.

Don't bother answering this, since its off-topic ... but I have to admit your statement makes me wonder whether you also foam at the mouth when you see white people and think back to the lynching postcard industry. Anyway, neither here nor there.

Reaver said:
And okay, maybe you are right! Maybe there is no flood of 'I love that guy!' letters, but this shit of:

'Oh, he didn't mean that. He didn't mean this. He's misunderstood. We should talk to him and open a discussion because he's not that bad!' shit is fucking stupid.



Awesome, I love it when I'm "maybe right". Course there's also not much of anything that smacks of "he's misunderstood" in the common way that phrase is used, or "he's not that bad" short of "he's not Hitler." But I'm going to guess you'll guage that one as "maybe wrong" on my part.

Reaver said:
I say we talk to him, but I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth so why bother.



I'm totally going to try to trick him into telling you that 2+2=4 ... that'll be wicked awesome. The "everything out of your mouth is a lie" game is so much fun!

Reaver said:
More from Wikipedia:
Richard Krege maintains the allegation of diesel exhaust gas chambers to be an "outright lie," and showed a model of the Treblinka extermination camp to illustrate this.[21] He claimed that up to 10,000 people died in the camp, and of disease, not extermination. Most historians believe that at least 800,000 prisoners were murdered in the camp.[21]

"There is no scientific proof to show that this place was an extermination camp. All that exists are the words of some people," he said .[21]



Awesome, so Richard Krege believes that the existance of gas chambers is an outright lie ... thus Richard Krege is out of touch with reality. Oh wait ... is Richard Krege one of Ahmadinejad's aliases? Holy shit! Awesome find!

Reaver said:
On the second day of the conference, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad predicted the disintegration of the Israeli regime once again, saying that, "The Zionist regime will be wiped out soon the same way the Soviet Union was, and humanity will achieve freedom".[22] He said elections should be held among "Jews, Christians and Muslims so the population of Palestine can select their government and destiny for themselves in a democratic manner."[22]



Holy shit! Another awesome find! You know, since we all know that the USSR was wiped out through a genocide of Russians! And since according to the press, Ronald Reagan single handedly dismantled the USSR and Communism in general then Reagan is like one kick-ass genocidal maniac. Though I doubt he recalled any of it.

Reaver said:
By the way, there is one Jew in their parliment.

One.



Yeah, and Congress has one Muslim ... what's your point?

MrKingMob

MrKingMob

Chicago, IL
January 2003

SEP 24, 2007 09:35 PM

Is it just me or is that pic up top of Ahmadinejad starting to look like an Iranian Bush?

_void_

_void_

USA
December 2006

SEP 24, 2007 09:41 PM

MrKingMob said:
Is it just me or is that pic up top of Ahmadinejad starting to look like an Iranian Bush?



If you mean in the sense of it being a photo of a fuckwit making a hand gesture ... uhmmm ... yeah, I'm with ya.

MrKingMob

MrKingMob

Chicago, IL
January 2003

SEP 24, 2007 09:41 PM

3rdimaginaryboy said:
Yeah, and Congress has one Muslim ... what's your point?



Oh snap!!! This is my new favorite tidbit! If this were poli sci 101, we could write reams of banal essays comparing the US and Iran now!! That stat would be the linchpin!

_void_

_void_

USA
December 2006

SEP 24, 2007 09:46 PM

MrKingMob said:

3rdimaginaryboy said:
Yeah, and Congress has one Muslim ... what's your point?



Oh snap!!! This is my new favorite tidbit! If this were poli sci 101, we could write reams of banal essays comparing the US and Iran now!! That stat would be the linchpin!



Hmmm yeah, I'm not sure I want that comment to be a linchpin for anything.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

SEP 24, 2007 10:22 PM

Today was a good day for Freedom of Speech. Even Bush could agree to that:

Mr. Bush, asked about Columbia's decision to invite Mr. Ahmadinejad, told Fox News that it was "O.K. with me," but added that he might not have extended the invitation himself.

"When you really think about it," Mr. Bush said, "he's the head of a state sponsor of terror, he's -- and yet an institution in our country gives him a chance to express his point of view, which really speaks to the freedoms of the country. I'm not sure I'd have offered the same invitation."



With Bush making that statement, I'm just a bit surprised he didn't call off his PR attack dog: Freedom's Watch. They took out a full page ad in the New York Times today. The text from their NYT ad:

Columbia University is wrong to give him a platform.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad threatens our nation and the
freedoms we value. He has supported attacks on our soldiers and our allies.
He should be treated as the terrorist that he is.
Yet, while Columbia gives a terrorist like Ahmadinejad a platform to
speak, they refuse to allow the ROTC on campus.
What has happened to this prestigious university?
People who support killing Americans are welcome. But the military that
defends them is not.
Columbia should be ashamed of its actions.
Freedom's Watch knows that America and the forces of freedom are right.
We know the threat of terrorism is real. And we know Democracy must
prevail.
The terrorists and their appeasers are wrong.



I mean, if they want to attack Ahmadinejad for his country's human right issues, that's legitamate. But they equated Columbia to terrorist appeasers.

Of course, the egg is on their [Freedom's Watch] face now, since Bollinger, Columbia University's president, took Ahmadinejad, through the verbal wringer.

MrKingMob

MrKingMob

Chicago, IL
January 2003

SEP 24, 2007 10:31 PM

KUNGFOO said:




Damn. That Canadian border gets closer for me everyday.

I don't know why Columbia doesn't allow ROTC on its campus, but to compare that to Ahmadinejad's speaking invitation is ludicrous. ROTC is there to recruit soldiers. Ahmadinejad was invited as a foreign policy exposition of sorts. Now, if Columbia let Ahmadinejad recruit soldiers for Iran's army, that would be an equal comparison, but, no... those are two completely separate things.

I'm sad now. Thanks a lot, Kungfoo.

Rafi

Rafi

Santa Monica, CA
January 2003

SEP 24, 2007 10:37 PM

Reaver said:

I'm sorry as a child of the 80's? You say Iran and I remember a flood of people burning american flags and chanting 'Death to the Great Satan!'.

Much better then what I think of when I think of them now.



Well, you're clearly thinking cogently and not letting any handpicked, sensationalized anecdotes color your reasoning! Iran = flag burning and mob chants - what else is there? whatever

Clidna

Clidna

Canada
January 2005

SEP 25, 2007 12:21 AM

Rafi said:

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FearTheReaper said:
Look what happens when you actually allow someone to come and speak.


Ahmadinejad smiled as Columbia President Lee Bollinger took him to task over Iran's human-rights record and foreign policy, and Ahmadinejad's statements denying the Holocaust and calling for the disappearance of Israel.

"Mr. President, you exhibit all the signs of a petty and cruel dictator," Bollinger said, to loud applause.

He said Ahmadinejad's denial of the Holocaust might fool the illiterate and ignorant.

"When you come to a place like this it makes you simply ridiculous," Bollinger said. "The truth is that the Holocaust is the most documented event in human history."

Ahmadinejad rose, also to applause, and after a religious invocation, said Bollinger's opening was: "an insult to information and the knowledge of the audience here."

"There were insults and claims that were incorrect, regretfully," Ahmadinejad said, accusing Bollinger of offering "unfriendly treatment" under the influence of the U.S. press and politicians.





"In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country. We don't have that in our country. In Iran we do not have this phenomenon. I don't know who has told you that we have it."



These quotes, I think, speak to the real reason why reactionaries, neo-cons and the Bush admin really fear letting Ahmadinejad speak in the US so much: to hear his rhetoric is to realize that he is a flailing and out-of-touch tyrant, and yes, a "petty and cruel dictator" as described astutely by Bollinger - but NOT by any stretch of the imagination a "Little Hitler." Not an uncontrollable destructive force, not a nuclear bogeyman whom we must immediately rally against at any cost, as Bush, Cheney and Company would have us believe.

Just another daft and depraved leader with too much power.



Oh! I got confused here, thought you were talking about someone else... wink

Bicycle_Samurai

Bicycle_Samurai

York, ON
September 2003

SEP 25, 2007 01:41 AM

Mahmoud had a little bomb
He found it filled a need
For getting rid of all those folks
With whom he disagreed

Mahmoud let his bomb go off
Without the proper care
And now we're finding little bits
Of Mahmoud everywhere

Wendy

Wendy

SUICIDEGIRL

Israel

SEP 25, 2007 03:26 AM

FearTheReaper said:The reason there is one Jew in parliament in Iran is because there are only 20,000 Jews living in the country. And quite happily from what I have read. Or else they would have, you know, MOVED.



Something like 90% of the Jews who were living in Iran at the start of the Islamic Revolution have since left, either to Israel or to the United States. Before that, thousands left each year due to the persecution taking place under Muslim rule.

As far as the 25,000 or so Jews still living in Iran "quite happily," that's not exactly the case either. They have a good deal of problems leaving the country (often times not all members of the family are given exit permits at once), they have to pay higher fees when attempting to leave the country (they aren't allowed at all to travel to Israel), their religious schools are forced to remain open on Saturday (the Jewish Sabbath), which you can imagine causes some problems, it is made incredibly difficult by the government for these institutions to obtain Hebrew books and other Jewish texts, Jews are forbidden from certain public work (high positions in government and military, high positions in the public school sector, etc.) Something like a dozen or so Jews have been executed since '79, mostly due to suspicions for "aiding the Zionist regime" and such. I would also imagine that living in a country who's government holds Holocaust cartoon competitions would at times be uncomfortable.

That said, Iran, aside from Israel of course, has the largest Jewish population in the middle east. There are schools, synagogues, and a few Kosher restaurants mostly in Teheran but also scattered around in a few other places. But let's not pretend that they're all just "living happily" and that's all there is to the story. There are plenty of Iranian Jews living here in Israel who would be glad to explain to you that that's really not so much the case.

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