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  • SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 23 2007 9:00 AM

Sally Field Needs To Shut Her Pie Hole



Last week, Sally Field won an Emmy for something. I don’t know what and I really don’t care. What happened after she took the stage to accept her award is what caught my attention.



Let’s face it, if mothers ruled the world there would be no God damn wars in the first place.


On behalf of half of the human race, I’d like to say, “Fuck off, Sally Field.” What an insulting, arrogant, untruthful load of shit. This is something I’ve heard for years from a few women, who have apparently never opened a history book. The idea that war is exclusive to males is ridiculous. Leaders are generally narcissistic assholes, whether male or female. The same crazy desire that makes someone want to actually run a country also makes one want to go to war. It’s about power and ladies throughout history have been drunk on it for hundreds of years.

But we can start right here in American, in this century, to prove Sally wrong. Here’s a list of female Senators who authorized the use of force against Iraq.


    Blanche Lincoln
    Dianne Feinstein
    Mary Landrieu
    Olympia Snowe
    Susan Collins
    Jean Carnahan
    Hillary Clinton
    Kay Bailey Hutchison
    Maria Cantwell


Why do you hate Sally, ladies? And love war? But, hey, they are just carrying on the tradition of women and war.

Russia has seen its share of women who carry on wars. In 1736 Anna Ioannovna declared war on the Ottoman Empire. Next up came Elizabeth, who led her country into the Seven Years War. (Maria Theresa of Austria also jumped in on that one.) In 1762 Catherine the Great took over Russia and went right to work expanding the Russian empire. She conquered Crimea, the Northern Caucasus and Ukraine for mother Russian, all through bloody conflicts.

How about England?

Queen Elizabeth I was a great mom. She also had Mary, Queen of Scots beheaded and fought a war against Spain. Later came Queen Anne who started a war that came to be known as Queen Anne’s War. The war was fought in North America, between France and Britain in North America. Spain and American Indian tribes were also involved. Next up was Queen Victoria, who was constantly at war, including the Crimean War, The Indian Mutiny, campaigns on North-west Frontier of India, campaigns in Africa including the Zulu War, the Boer War, and campaigns in Egypt and Sudan. And she was a mommy! Recently Margaret Thatcher went to war with Argentina over the tiny, useless Falkland Islands. Bad mommy!

What about Asia?

The Empress Dowager Cixi of China came to power in a bloody coup in 1861. In 1864 she sent her army to crush the Taiping Army and won! Her son must have been so proud! Indira Gandhi, Prime Minister of India, must have been a man because she went to war with Pakistan in 1971. Later, she ordered an attack on the holiest Sikh shrine in India, the Golden Temple, which led to the death of 450 people. Oh, and she accelerated India’s nuclear program, which resulted in India becoming the world's youngest nuclear power. She was also a mommy of two!

And we can’t forget about Israel and their hateful neighbors. Golda Meir, Foreign Minister and Prime Minister of Israel, also oversaw her countries nuclear weapons development program. I guess it was a present for her kids. In 1956, Golda helped to plan an Israeli-British-French attack on Egypt. Later, in 1973, she was forced to defend Israel against six Arab states.

On the other side of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are female suicide bombers. Is this the kind of mommy Sally was talking about?


A 22-year-old Palestinian mother of two small children, pretending to be disabled, killed four Israelis at a Gaza border crossing yesterday after duping soldiers into allowing her a personal security check rather than going through a metal detector.


What about this grandmommy?


On the television screen a woman is reading slowly from a sheet of paper held close to her face. The moment is awkward. Her hands shake, she avoids the camera and a large, black M-16 assault rifle hangs from her shoulders. Her head and neck are wrapped tightly in a white scarf.

This is the final message in the life of Fatma al-Najar, widow, great-grandmother, matriarch of her large family and, a few hours after this brief video was shot, the oldest Palestinian to become a suicide bomber.


Most importantly, we cannot forget about Admiral Helena Cain Pegasus, who attacked the Battlestar Galactica. That was fucking bullshit.

So, shut the fuck up Sally and all you other ladies who say that women wouldn’t start wars. It's insulting and it’s a load of horse shit. (And that includes my wife.)

 

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mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

SEP 23, 2007 01:31 PM

KUNGFOO said:

MrCrisp said:

Let's face it, if mothers ruled people didn't rule the world there would be no God damn wars in the first place.


fixed.


Maybe the computers will do a better job.



I'm not so sure.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

SEP 23, 2007 01:49 PM

I'm not sure either.

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cowboybert

cowboybert

West Palm Beach, FL
September 2006

SEP 23, 2007 01:53 PM

Sally is right. The writer listed some ruthless women for sure, but for everyone of them there were 100 ruthless men. If we lived in a matriarchal government structure we would not fight economic wars that have nothing to do with protecting our borders and allies. We entered the ETO in WWII to rescue France and England, making it a just intervention to assist our allies at the time. That was the last one. I do not believe that a primarily female government would trade lives for money. I know my mom wouldn't.

meatpieboy

meatpieboy

Korea, D.P.R.
June 2004

SEP 23, 2007 02:01 PM

Zarth said:

magpieboy said:
I get FTRs point here.

I TAed an undergrad course in Animal Behavior, which takes an adaptationist perspective on biology, both animal and human. At one point we were talking about the different factors that motivate male animals and female animals. We challenged them with the question of what they would expect if most countries were ruled by little old ladies with lots of kids. They initially all bought into the Sally Fields Syndrome. A little more probing and you could see them crack. It was kind of fun to tear down a completely baseless but common assumption with a little logic.

Humans are power-hungry. Case closed.


I don't dispute that what Sally said isn't borne out by the evidence. It isn't, after all.

But I am somewhat disturbed by the big anti-matriarch bitchfest that this has turned into. So she's wrong, so what? Mothers take enough shit already, being held responsible for everything that goes wrong in the world (in our culture and others). You wouldn't lose anything by cutting her some fucking slack, and it'd be a damn sight more gentlemanly.



I hate my mother so much I came out of her vagina on her birthday.

I hope you don't think I'm anti-mother. I'm not. And I don't really see this as some societal issue that needs to be corrected. I don't think the assumption that mothers would not go to war is ruining anybody's day or career. I do think it's interesting that many people seem to hold that assumption, however, when there's basically only sexist stereotypes backing it up.

KingHELL

kinghell

Portland, OR
July 2003

SEP 23, 2007 02:03 PM

cowboybert said:
Sally is right. The writer listed some ruthless women for sure, but for everyone of them there were 100 ruthless men. If we lived in a matriarchal government structure we would not fight economic wars that have nothing to do with protecting our borders and allies. We entered the ETO in WWII to rescue France and England, making it a just intervention to assist our allies at the time. That was the last one. I do not believe that a primarily female government would trade lives for money. I know my mom wouldn't.


That's not the only bad thing that a government might do, though. My mother, much as I love her, would be the last person I'd want running the show. Everyone's feelings would be constitutionally protected, and nobody would be allowed to own a car that drove over 50 MPH.

PRockGirlScout

PRockGirlScout

Portland, OR
October 2005

SEP 23, 2007 02:27 PM

FearTheReaper said:

It's insulting and it's a load of horseshit. (And that includes my wife)



Good luck getting laid for the next month, dude.

Byrd

Byrd

HOPEFUL

Reno, NV

SEP 23, 2007 02:29 PM

KingHELL said:

cowboybert said:
Sally is right. The writer listed some ruthless women for sure, but for everyone of them there were 100 ruthless men. If we lived in a matriarchal government structure we would not fight economic wars that have nothing to do with protecting our borders and allies. We entered the ETO in WWII to rescue France and England, making it a just intervention to assist our allies at the time. That was the last one. I do not believe that a primarily female government would trade lives for money. I know my mom wouldn't.


That's not the only bad thing that a government might do, though. My mother, much as I love her, would be the last person I'd want running the show. Everyone's feelings would be constitutionally protected, and nobody would be allowed to own a car that drove over 50 MPH.




if my mother was running the world she'd having the police force calling everyone at 9Pm asking if they've been taking enough calcium and did they remember to wear sunscreen...

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

SEP 23, 2007 02:30 PM

PRockGhoulScout said:

FearTheReaper said:

It's insulting and it's a load of horseshit. (And that includes my wife)



Good luck getting laid for the next month, dude.



IF only I lived in a stereotypical sitcom. I don't.

PRockGirlScout

PRockGirlScout

Portland, OR
October 2005

SEP 23, 2007 02:36 PM

FearTheReaper said:

PRockGhoulScout said:

FearTheReaper said:

It's insulting and it's a load of horseshit. (And that includes my wife)



Good luck getting laid for the next month, dude.



IF only I lived in a stereotypical sitcom. I don't.



*laugh track*

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

SEP 23, 2007 02:45 PM



Reading this book > arguing in this thread.

Archaneus

Archaneus

Kalamazoo, MI
October 2006

SEP 23, 2007 03:06 PM

Oninotaki said:
now just to be fair, all the women that were listed ran governments that were full of men, not other mothers. We have no historical precident for an entire government run by moms, and how they would interact with other governments either run by men, run by moms and men, or run by just other moms. So untill such time as the world is run completly by mothers and not just mothers with non-mothers as subordinates and advisors we cannot truely say that she is wrong. wink



That's not strictly true. There are records of a couple of matriarchies in the past and they were even more brutal than the patriarchal societies that came before and after. I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics since it's been awhile, but any other history geeks out there who remember what it is I'm talking about want to fill in the gaps?

Now don't take this the wrong way, I'm not saying women are unfit to rule. What I am saying is exactly what FTR is, they are not any less inclined to war and brutality than men. People are the problem, not men.

Quirky

Quirky

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

SEP 23, 2007 03:10 PM

Glossolalia?

I GOTTA FINISH TALKING@!@!!!!@$@#Q!!111111111111

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

SEP 23, 2007 03:11 PM

PRockGhoulScout said:

FearTheReaper said:

PRockGhoulScout said:

FearTheReaper said:

It's insulting and it's a load of horseshit. (And that includes my wife)



Good luck getting laid for the next month, dude.



IF only I lived in a stereotypical sitcom. I don't.



*laugh track*



Nicely done

10k

10k

San Antonio, TX
July 2002

SEP 23, 2007 03:15 PM

A country run by mothers would be just fine. Until they felt that some neighboring country was threatening their children with guns, bombs, sugary candy, swearing, tv nudity, violent video games or dirty hands. Then watch the nukes fly.

But in all seriousness, a government run entirely by women or mothers would most likely be no better or no worse than the craptastic governments we have now. Women are humans just like men. Both are capable of truly fucked up shit. History will back me up on this. Anybody trying to claim that motherhood makes a person all peaceful and loving towards everybody needs to look around. There are a whole mess of abusive moms out there. Statistically (yeah yeah yeah, i'm using statistics here) kids who die from parental abuse are more likely to be killed by their mom than their dad. There are tons of cases of mothers hurting, abusing, screwing over or out right killing other people or even other children that they view as threatening or getting in the way of their own kids. So no, motherhood does not make one Ghandi. And no, I'm not saying by any stretch of the imagination that I think mothers should not be in politics. I'm saying that they are no better or worse than anybody else.

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

SEP 23, 2007 03:19 PM

Archaneus said:

Oninotaki said:
now just to be fair, all the women that were listed ran governments that were full of men, not other mothers. We have no historical precident for an entire government run by moms, and how they would interact with other governments either run by men, run by moms and men, or run by just other moms. So untill such time as the world is run completly by mothers and not just mothers with non-mothers as subordinates and advisors we cannot truely say that she is wrong. wink


That's not strictly true. There are records of a couple of matriarchies in the past and they were even more brutal than the patriarchal societies that came before and after. I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics since it's been awhile, but any other history geeks out there who remember what it is I'm talking about want to fill in the gaps?


Nope. There is no solid evidence of any actual matriarchy ever existing. A premodern few societies, here and there, have accorded women in general an honorable status and individual women may have held positions of power, but there is no known culture in which women have been accorded a generally superior social status.

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