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The Democrats are fucking weak. There is no other word in the English language that can describe them any better. Bush is so unpopular and out of control that it is shocking, yet the Democrats have done nothing to check the president’s belligerent power grab.

They certainly have talked a big game. Last year, in the run up to the elections, the future Speaker of the House let the country know what Democrats would do once they had control of Congress.


Pelosi was asked what was most important about regaining majority status. "Subpoena power," she said.


Fuck yeah! Subpoenas! How’s that going?

Well, back in early July, the House Judiciary Committee was investigating the US Attorney scandal. Bush’s ex-White House legal advisor, Harriet Miers, blew off a Congressional subpoena. She didn’t come and take the fifth. She didn’t come and claim she had executive privilege. She just decided not to show up because the president, her former employer, did not want her to. So, Harriet Miers BLEW IT OFF.

Chief of staff Josh Bolten refused to hand over White House documents to the House Judiciary Committee. He claimed executive privilege and told the Democrats to shove their oversight up their assholes.

The House Judiciary Committee gave both a couple of days, and then took action.


House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday formally recommended criminal contempt charges against former White House counsel Harriet Miers and chief of staff Joshua Bolten for their failure to comply with an investigation into the firing of eight US Attorneys.


Take that, you motherfuckers! The Democrats just recommended that something happen. You so in trouble!

Following the recommendation, the entire House would have to vote on whether or not to hold Miers and Bolton in contempt. If the House voted in favor of the recommendation, the case would then be sent to the US Attorney in DC. But, the Democrats did not take any action before the summer recess. Now they are back and…well, they are Democrats.


The Democratic leadership is unlikely to push for a full vote in the House until late September at the earliest. The reason, is that Democrats haven't yet "briefed lawmakers on what it would mean and how the controversy would play out, both legally and politically":

“I don’t think anything is going to happen on that for a while,” said House Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel. “When you decide to do that, you have to make your best case. You want everyone to understand what’s happening and why.”

Emanuel said Pelosi and other top Democrats have not begun those consultations yet — and he was unsure when they would.


This should have been sent to the entire House for a vote in July. The President is setting a dangerous precedent for the future. If this goes unchecked, the balance of power in our government will forever be unequal. But, take your time Democrats. If you keep delaying, hopefully this can drag on until the President leaves office. And then you won’t have to actually stand up and fight for anything. Hell, maybe Bush can give you his spine as he vacates the White House.

One thing is for sure, if the case was reversed, the Republicans would have already sent the offending Democrats to the guillotine.

 

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Mankarlen

Mankarlen

Columbia City, OR
June 2006

SEP 13, 2007 03:46 AM

What do you expect when the best presidential hopeful we have her and husband were under a cloud of deciet and dishonesty in business. whitegate futrues trading that may not have been above board. How soon we forget. Personally I think we have just about ginven the republicans the white house again. blackeyed

NickFaust

NickFaust

USA
April 2004

SEP 13, 2007 05:34 AM

FearTheReaper said:

ASSH0LE said:

reprobate said:
Oh Jesus fucking Christ. Here's a tip:

1. You don't just file criminal charges against senior White House staff like you were ordering a happy meal.
2. Congress has been in fucking recess. There have been exactly eleven working days since the Committee sent their recommendation to the house.



Bingo!



11 working days does not mean shit in politics. The fire has cooled and turned into a lump of ashes. But keep thinking it's a courtroom



Well, congratulations. You just became a member of the puditocracy.

Commenting on the news is one thing, predicting it quite another.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

SEP 13, 2007 07:29 AM

FearTheReaper said:

reprobate said:
Oh Jesus fucking Christ. Here's a tip:

1. You don't just file criminal charges against senior White House staff like you were ordering a happy meal.
2. Congress has been in fucking recess. There have been exactly eleven working days since the Committee sent their recommendation to the house.



Really, they've been in recess since July 12th? Good to know.



Ummm, do you even read your own links, or do you really just not give a shit about having a basic understanding of what you're writing about?

Judiciary Committee sends contempt charges for Miers, Bolton to full House
Nick Juliano
Published: Wednesday July 25, 2007

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The House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday formally recommended criminal contempt charges against former White House counsel Harriet Miers and chief of staff Joshua Bolten for their failure to comply with an investigation into the firing of eight US Attorneys.



Like I said, this is now the 12th working day since the Judiciary Committee voted to send their recommendation to the full House. There was no voting yesterday, nor will there be today or tomorrow. Not to mention the federal fiscal year ends on September 30th, and congress is just a little busy right now.

Basic civics is your friend.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

SEP 13, 2007 07:33 AM

FearTheReaper said:

ASSH0LE said:

reprobate said:
Oh Jesus fucking Christ. Here's a tip:

1. You don't just file criminal charges against senior White House staff like you were ordering a happy meal.
2. Congress has been in fucking recess. There have been exactly eleven working days since the Committee sent their recommendation to the house.



Bingo!



11 working days does not mean shit in politics. The fire has cooled and turned into a lump of ashes. But keep thinking it's a courtroom



Because of course, you actually know something about the way congress works. Wanna know what the House was doing on July 25th? Funding the Department of Commerce. Kind of important.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

SEP 13, 2007 07:53 PM

FearTheReaper said:

reprobate said:

FearTheReaper said:

reprobate said:
Oh Jesus fucking Christ. Here's a tip:

1. You don't just file criminal charges against senior White House staff like you were ordering a happy meal.
2. Congress has been in fucking recess. There have been exactly eleven working days since the Committee sent their recommendation to the house.



Really, they've been in recess since July 12th? Good to know.



Ummm, do you even read your own links, or do you really just not give a shit about having a basic understanding of what you're writing about?

Judiciary Committee sends contempt charges for Miers, Bolton to full House
Nick Juliano
Published: Wednesday July 25, 2007

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The House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday formally recommended criminal contempt charges against former White House counsel Harriet Miers and chief of staff Joshua Bolten for their failure to comply with an investigation into the firing of eight US Attorneys.



Like I said, this is now the 12th working day since the Judiciary Committee voted to send their recommendation to the full House. There was no voting yesterday, nor will there be today or tomorrow. Not to mention the federal fiscal year ends on September 30th, and congress is just a little busy right now.

Basic civics is your friend.



I am constantly amazed at how stupid you are.



Gee, another devastating put down by a comedy professional. You must be murder on hecklers.

Sorry, but any halfwit can spout meaningless drivel like "the fire has cooled" if you don't have to worry about backing it up. The simple fact of the matter is that you have no training experience or understanding of what you rant about. You read crap in the press and run your mouth.

Here in the real world, where being the online equivalent of a water cooler loudmouth isn't very impressive, the fact remains that there has not been remotely enough time to prepare a head-on run at the White House. You cant whip 435 representatives off in their home districts, and there's not a hell of a lot of point in trying when you've already unseated the architect of the scandal, which is what the leadership was spending their time on over the recess.

But hey, you go on telling the world what "means shit" in politics.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

SEP 13, 2007 09:33 PM

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

SEP 13, 2007 11:57 PM

oyaji said:

FearTheReaper said:

reprobate said:

FearTheReaper said:

ASSH0LE said:

reprobate said:
Oh Jesus fucking Christ. Here's a tip:

1. You don't just file criminal charges against senior White House staff like you were ordering a happy meal.
2. Congress has been in fucking recess. There have been exactly eleven working days since the Committee sent their recommendation to the house.



Bingo!



11 working days does not mean shit in politics. The fire has cooled and turned into a lump of ashes. But keep thinking it's a courtroom



Because of course, you actually know something about the way congress works. Wanna know what the House was doing on July 25th? Funding the Department of Commerce. Kind of important.



You're an amazing idiot.



You are being ridiculous. The legislative process is glacially slow.



And when it's not, we get the Patriot Act and Saving Private Schiavo.
puke


I'll take slow and deliberate any day.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

SEP 14, 2007 01:55 AM

skeptik said:

oyaji said:

FearTheReaper said:

reprobate said:

FearTheReaper said:

ASSH0LE said:
reprobate said:
Oh Jesus fucking Christ. Here's a tip:

1. You don't just file criminal charges against senior White House staff like you were ordering a happy meal.
2. Congress has been in fucking recess. There have been exactly eleven working days since the Committee sent their recommendation to the house.



Bingo!



11 working days does not mean shit in politics. The fire has cooled and turned into a lump of ashes. But keep thinking it's a courtroom



Because of course, you actually know something about the way congress works. Wanna know what the House was doing on July 25th? Funding the Department of Commerce. Kind of important.



You're an amazing idiot.



You are being ridiculous. The legislative process is glacially slow.

And when it's not, we get the Patriot Act and Saving Private Schiavo.
puke


I'll take slow and deliberate any day.



Yeah, this contempt of congress thing just rushed up on them. Didn't occur over a period of months. There was no warning that it would happen. The president and his advisors did not say they would not partake in the hearings for months.

Totally. You guys have this thing nailed down.

You're confusing a lack of prepardness for the obvious and fear of taking action with "making sure it's done right."

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

SEP 14, 2007 03:08 AM

NickFaust said:
Yeah, let's be clear, there are no bullet proof majorities in either house, and because of that, the Dems are vulnerable to the complaint that they are wasting time on impossible things for political gain.

You want action? Make sure you give the Dems bulletproof majorities in both houses in 2008.


Agreed 100% Congress is in a stalemate much of the time because of the polarizing power of partisan politics... Consensus building with a two party system is like trying to eat chow mein noodles with a single chopstick, it doesn't work. IMO, the dems are trying to improve their centrist image by ditching the long-tarnished "liberal" label in favor of the catchy and marketable "progressive". I think they want to win, but are alienating voters like me who are baffled that they aren't more vocal and aggressive on important issues like federal corruption, health care, the environment, energy independence, etc. They're planning ahead, but stumbling over their feet along the way. We'll see what happens in 2008, but I'm a bit skeptical about the whole "progress" potential among the Democratic leadership if they can't "move on" anything now...

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

SEP 14, 2007 08:21 AM

FearTheReaper said:

skeptik said:

oyaji said:

FearTheReaper said:

reprobate said:

FearTheReaper said:
ASSH0LE said:
reprobate said:
Oh Jesus fucking Christ. Here's a tip:

1. You don't just file criminal charges against senior White House staff like you were ordering a happy meal.
2. Congress has been in fucking recess. There have been exactly eleven working days since the Committee sent their recommendation to the house.



Bingo!



11 working days does not mean shit in politics. The fire has cooled and turned into a lump of ashes. But keep thinking it's a courtroom



Because of course, you actually know something about the way congress works. Wanna know what the House was doing on July 25th? Funding the Department of Commerce. Kind of important.



You're an amazing idiot.



You are being ridiculous. The legislative process is glacially slow.

And when it's not, we get the Patriot Act and Saving Private Schiavo.
puke


I'll take slow and deliberate any day.



Yeah, this contempt of congress thing just rushed up on them. Didn't occur over a period of months. There was no warning that it would happen. The president and his advisors did not say they would not partake in the hearings for months.

Totally. You guys have this thing nailed down.

You're confusing a lack of prepardness for the obvious and fear of taking action with "making sure it's done right."



Aren't you a little old to be throwing tantrums because the world doesn't work the way you think it should?

Contempt of congress is a rarely used penalty for breaching an implied power of congress. It has never prevailed against a claim of executive privilege. This is a complicated matter implicating major policy and constitutional doctrines and the separation of powers of the federal government. It's not going to happen in a couple of news cycles just because you think it should.

Pip

Pip

Framingham, MA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 14, 2007 10:11 AM

3 issues:

1) they have only a small majority which makes senate actions very difficult and house actions mildly difficult. Contempt of Congress would be useless because a bush appointee would determine whether the case went to court. Guess how that would turn out?

2) There is a reall constitutional crisis here. Bush is impeachable, and the Dems could remove him. Same goes for Chenney. Guess who that leaves as president with a yeah before the election? Pelosi. I have no problem with that in and of itself. But she isn't running, and if she became president would she then run? Would she stand aside and let Hillary or Barrack have their chance? Or is better to read the tea leaves, see that the republican voters are disenchanted and won't show up in numbers like they did in '00, and '04. That democratic voters are still passionate and will do anythign it takes to cast their vote for Clinton or Obama. The presidency and a greater control of the congress are almost inevitable, so why not wait until you have full power like they did from '00-'06?

3) every power Bush has taken, Hillary will get. Now say what you will about her, but republicans will get theirs when Hillary gets in the white house. It will be ugly and they will cry, but they should have thought things through for once, instead of just reading what the talking points memo said. We on the left want no one to have those powers, but if we asked our republican friends if the powers they want Bush to have were given to Hillary how would they feel, then we could easily agree that no one should have those powers. Too late, our person will their turn at bat and things will be different. She or Obama will ahve been at both ends of the Leg vs Exec battle and will make sure balance of power is restored.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

SEP 14, 2007 03:08 PM

bald_eagle said:

oyaji said:

FearTheReaper said:

reprobate said:

FearTheReaper said:

ASSH0LE said:
reprobate said:
Oh Jesus fucking Christ. Here's a tip:

1. You don't just file criminal charges against senior White House staff like you were ordering a happy meal.
2. Congress has been in fucking recess. There have been exactly eleven working days since the Committee sent their recommendation to the house.



Bingo!



11 working days does not mean shit in politics. The fire has cooled and turned into a lump of ashes. But keep thinking it's a courtroom



Because of course, you actually know something about the way congress works. Wanna know what the House was doing on July 25th? Funding the Department of Commerce. Kind of important.



You're an amazing idiot.



You are being ridiculous. The legislative process is glacially slow.


As compared to how long it takes, say, to get a trial date?



Ummm, even if congress votes, you still need a trial date. This is a quasi judicial process, that becomes a judicial process. This is not impeachment. The last time this process was invoked which was over two decades ago, it took two years before appeals.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

SEP 14, 2007 04:54 PM

Mankarlen said:
What do you expect when the best presidential hopeful we have her and husband were under a cloud of deciet and dishonesty in business. whitegate futrues trading that may not have been above board. How soon we forget. Personally I think we have just about ginven the republicans the white house again. blackeyed



I think you're mistaken. IIUC, Ken Starr spent two years and a stupendous amount of money investigating this, and all he found was a cum stain.

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