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Whores Totally Cool, Gay Stuff Not So Much



Remember Senator David Vitter? A few weeks ago we learned that he used to spend time banging hookers. The Louisiana Senator apologized for “a very serious sin in his past.” What he meant was that he was having sex with a prostitute and, according to phone records, was even calling the DC Madam while he was on the House floor making votes.


This was a very serious sin in my past for which I am, of course, completely responsible. Several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife in confession and marriage counseling. Out of respect for my family, I will keep my discussion of the matter there - with God and them. But I certainly offer my deep and sincere apologies to all I have disappointed and let down in any way.


Of course, his fellow Republican lawmakers let it slide. No slap on the wrist for Vitter. And why should they? He apologized to them and to God. Also, the statue of limitations had passed, so he was free and clear. How does one respond to a religious man who spent his years trying to legislate morality and then gets caught screwing hookers? His fellow Republicans gave him a standing ovation upon his return to the Senate. That is some quality douchebaggery, there.

Now, lets take a look at Senator Larry Craig. Things did not go so well for him when he was arrested in a bizarre gay bathroom sting operation at the Minneapolis airport. As soon as his Republican colleagues learned of his illegal gay activity, they demanded he resign.

Craig has since claimed he is not gay and has filed papers to withdraw his guilty plea and fight the charges. He will most probably win the case because all he did was tap his foot near a cop’s foot. It will be a tough crime to prosecute. But his fellow Republicans don’t care whether or not he is going to withdraw his plea and fight the charges. They want the gay dude gone.

So, here’s the crime scorecard. Vitter admits to having sex with hookers and there is even evidence that he called for whores while he was voting on the House floor. Standing ovation. Larry Craig pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor because he was scared that the media would discover his arrest. He then said he would fight the charges. He is forced to resign. One man was having straight sex, while the other was looking for gay sex. Both are crimes, but one got lucky with the statute of limitations. Not hard to figure out what the problem was with Craig.

But the heat is about to be turned up on David Vitter. Another prostitute claimed she had a four-month “sexual relationship” with the Senator. Because her claims could not be verified, the charges went away. But now it looks like they are coming back.

Larry Flint paid for the hooker to take a lie detector test, which she passed. Today he will hold a news conference with the prostitute to reveal the results. They will then challenge Senator Vitter to take his own polygraph.


Ellis said Monday that she took the polygraph test because Vitter tried to impugn her credibility at a news conference in July, when he denied news reports about his involvement with prostitutes in New Orleans without being specific.


Please don’t impugn the credibility of the whore. That is not cool.

And it gets better. Flynt is paying Ellis to detail all her fuck sessions with Vitter. They will be published next spring in Hustler. The magazine made sure Ellis passed the lie detector test before they offered her the deal.


Ellis said she met regularly with Vitter in the French Quarter apartment and that he paid her through her pimp, Jonathan, whose last name she did not know. She said Vitter met her through the New Orleans Escort Service.


Sadly, Vitter was not a freak.


Ellis said she and Vitter had safe sex and that he did not have any unusual proclivities. She said he paid $300 an hour for her services.

"He was a very clean man," Ellis said. "He came in, took a shower, did his business and would leave."


Boo. Why couldn’t he just shit on her chest once? It would have made this a lot more fun. Either way, as much as the Republicans and Vitter want this to go away, it’s not. And the same can be said for Larry Craig, as he gears up to fight the charges. Keep it in the news as long as you can, boys. And don't forget, one is good and the other is bad.

 

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Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

SEP 12, 2007 06:32 PM

wildswan said:

Colinism said:

TheFuckOffKid said:

Colinism said:
2. Prostitution is far less acceptable in the US than it is in Australia.



This wild claim is based on ... ?



http://www.sexwork.com/coalition/whatcountrieslegal.html

That and the fact that your country was founded by criminals so obviously anything that good god fearing people in sane normal societies would shy away from would be legal in your godless backwards nation of thieves and murderers. wink



I'm going to go out on a limb and say that legality and acceptability are not necessarily interchangeable.



No not always, however generally speaking acceptable ideas tend to be legal in a society, unacceptable ones are not. Were most people in the Us ok with prostitution then it would be legal everywhere, if most people in the countries where it is legal to decide that it was no longer acceptable it would eventually become illegal. Lets be honest here for an example, Gay marriage is not acceptable to most people here in the US and it's not going to be legal anytime soon, despite the fact that it should be.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

SEP 12, 2007 06:42 PM

Rather than get into one of Colinism's weird nitpicky point-scoring semantic debates, let me restate what I'm objecting to.

This has nothing to do with what's "acceptable" in one or other country, in some generalised way.

This is about the tone a paid writer on a supposedly sex-positive nudie/porn site uses when talking about sex workers. Let's keep in mind that there exists a group for sex workers on this very site, at least some of whom would be professional "whores".

FearTheReaper gets paid (we are led to believe) to make people laugh.

Prostitutes get paid to make people feel good in their pants region.

I see no basis on which to claim moral superiority for either one over the other. (I'm sure some prostitutes are horrible people, but then so are many comedians.)

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
Full disclosure: one of the people I adore most on this site, and perhaps in the world, is a whore. I think she's wonderful. And no, we have not had sex.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

SEP 12, 2007 09:00 PM

ok short short version because wireless is really crapping out.

Sarcasm, look it up my comments were obviously not meant to be serious. and I am not going to get into a debate over something this stupid because people lack the ability to see an obviously sarcastic comment and take it seriously.

However to the person who compared use of the word whore and use of the word nigger, clearly you do not understand the meaning of the second because if you did you would not have made such a stupid comparison.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

SEP 12, 2007 09:21 PM

Colinism said:
Sarcasm, look it up my comments were obviously not meant to be serious. and I am not going to get into a debate over something this stupid because people lack the ability to see an obviously sarcastic comment and take it seriously.



It's hard to know exactly where you think you were being sarcastic and how that was meant to be obvious. But, oi vey, let's move on.

My point was and is that FTR was using the word "whore" quite nastily, and he's since admitted that he feels superior to "whores"; in fact not only that he feels superior but that he needs to make a point of implicitly expressing that feeling of superiority when he writes an article about something where prostitutes are somehow involved.

princkly is a regular user of brothels. This is pretty obvious from his journals and not something he hides at all.

I've never been a brothel client, or used a hooker's services, but I've recently hung out with an SG friend who's a hooker (with a total heart of gold, as per the cliche) and had a great time doing so. It might behoove FTR to think who he's writing for.

EDIT, Just FTR ("for the record"), I'd be making these posts even if I hadn't hung out with a hooker-friend. I'd still be writing this stuff on principle. As it is, now I also have a personal perspective, different to princkly's, but personal nonetheless.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

SEP 13, 2007 12:57 AM

TheFuckOffKid said:

FearTheReaper said:

princkly said:

TheFuckOffKid said:
I was wondering as I read this piece about whether I would have enjoyed it more with less seemingly derogatory use of the word "whore".

Thank you FuckOffKid. I agree! I'ts been used throughout the article and some of the responses with an ugly sense of self-righteousness. As somebody who loves and regularly engages the beautiful women in this profession, I find the word "whore" being used in such a condesending and bitter way as unacceptable. It's like listening to some smug little middle class white boy trying to be cool by using the word "nigger".



Yeah, that's a good analogy. The word "nigger" is much like the use of the word "whore."

Tell you what. And this may seem kind of crazy, but I do think I am better than whores. I know, it's weird.



On what basis? How many whores do you know?



None. Know why? They're whores.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

SEP 13, 2007 04:35 AM

FearTheReaper said:
None. Know why? They're whores.



And?

IronOrchid

ironorchid

Australia
February 2007

SEP 13, 2007 04:55 AM

Colinism said:

princkly said:

TheFuckOffKid said:
I was wondering as I read this piece about whether I would have enjoyed it more with less seemingly derogatory use of the word "whore".

Thank you FuckOffKid. I agree! I'ts been used throughout the article and some of the responses with an ugly sense of self-righteousness. As somebody who loves and regularly engages the beautiful women in this profession, I find the word "whore" being used in such a condesending and bitter way as unacceptable. It's like listening to some smug little middle class white boy trying to be cool by using the word "nigger".



1. Your analogy is very very flawed
2. Prostitution is far less acceptable in the US than it is in Australia.
3. Are you really that mad about the word whore being used or that you just admitted to having to pay for sex on a regular basis?

[Emphasis added]

This thread indicates to me that careless misogyny for teh lulz is far less acceptable to Australian men that it is to Americans.

Makes me proud. ::tear::

Dear FearTheReaper et al,

Plz GROW THE FUCK UP and figure out that sex work is not intrinsically better or worse than any other form of employment. Even if it does have some higher risk factors, and worse benefits than some industries.

Kthnxbai

princkly

princkly

I'm lost
April 2006

SEP 13, 2007 04:09 PM

Colinism said:
However to the person who compared use of the word whore and use of the word nigger, clearly you do not understand the meaning of the second because if you did you would not have made such a stupid comparison.


Well you obviously have some extraordinary insight here. So why doesn't the white boy with no experience with sexworkers enlighten us.
Please tell us: Why is it less hurtful and unacceptable to be called a "whore" than a "nigger" ? Please don't respond that it is because one chooses to be a "whore" but one does not choose to be black. I trust your logic will be more than skin deep.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

SEP 13, 2007 05:07 PM

princkly said:

Colinism said:
However to the person who compared use of the word whore and use of the word nigger, clearly you do not understand the meaning of the second because if you did you would not have made such a stupid comparison.


Well you obviously have some extraordinary insight here. So why doesn't the white boy with no experience with sexworkers enlighten us.
Please tell us: Why is it less hurtful and unacceptable to be called a "whore" than a "nigger" ? Please don't respond that it is because one chooses to be a "whore" but one does not choose to be black. I trust your logic will be more than skin deep.



http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/whore
Main Entry: 1whore
Pronunciation: 'hor, 'hur
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English hore, from Old English hOre; akin to Old Norse hOra whore, hOrr adulterer, Latin carus dear -- more at CHARITY
1 : a woman who engages in sexual acts for money : PROSTITUTE; also : a promiscuous or immoral woman
2 : a male who engages in sexual acts for money
3 : a venal or unscrupulous person

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/nigger
Pronunciation: 'ni-g&r
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger
1 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person
2 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark-skinned race
3 : a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons <it's time for somebody to lead all of America's niggers...all the people who feel left out of the political process -- Ron Dellums>
usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry.

Sorry but you clearly do not understand the meaning and use of the word here in the US.

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

SEP 13, 2007 05:10 PM

Being offended by a word or words varies by who is on the receiving end.

To say one is more offensive than another is just your opinion. Other people's opinion may vary.

I cannot begin to count the number of women I know who will call a guy a "dick" but are horrified if they are called a "cunt."

IronOrchid

ironorchid

Australia
February 2007

SEP 13, 2007 08:06 PM

Colinism said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

princkly said:

Colinism said:
However to the person who compared use of the word whore and use of the word nigger, clearly you do not understand the meaning of the second because if you did you would not have made such a stupid comparison.


Well you obviously have some extraordinary insight here. So why doesn't the white boy with no experience with sexworkers enlighten us.
Please tell us: Why is it less hurtful and unacceptable to be called a "whore" than a "nigger" ? Please don't respond that it is because one chooses to be a "whore" but one does not choose to be black. I trust your logic will be more than skin deep.



http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/whore
Main Entry: 1whore
Pronunciation: 'hor, 'hur
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English hore, from Old English hOre; akin to Old Norse hOra whore, hOrr adulterer, Latin carus dear -- more at CHARITY
1 : a woman who engages in sexual acts for money : PROSTITUTE; also : a promiscuous or immoral woman
2 : a male who engages in sexual acts for money
3 : a venal or unscrupulous person

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/nigger
Pronunciation: 'ni-g&r
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger
1 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person
2 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark-skinned race
3 : a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons <it's time for somebody to lead all of America's niggers...all the people who feel left out of the political process -- Ron Dellums>
usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry.

Sorry but you clearly do not understand the meaning and use of the word here in the US.



You are an idiot.[1]

It's precisely because he does understand the ramifications of the word, that he made the comparison. If you paid attention, you'd realize that it wasn't simply the word "whore" to which Prinkly objected, so much as the way in which it was employed in the article. I.e. some white guy using it to sound edgy.

princkly said:
It's like listening to some smug little middle class white boy trying to be cool by using the word "nigger".


This is not to say that the word 'whore' doesn't have negative connotations, which your dictionary excerpt clearly shows, and that we shouldn't use the less derogatory words available, such as 'prostitute' and 'sex workers'.

To call women 'whores', even when they are sex workers, shows as much misogyny and insensitivity as calling black people 'niggers' shows racial hatred.

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[1]: I like to get the ad hominem attack out of the way early.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

SEP 13, 2007 09:51 PM

TheGringo said:
Being offended by a word or words varies by who is on the receiving end.

To say one is more offensive than another is just your opinion. Other people's opinion may vary.

I cannot begin to count the number of women I know who will call a guy a "dick" but are horrified if they are called a "cunt."



Just from my own perspective, I objected less to the use of the word "whore" which on its own could have been left open to interpretation, and more to the tone in which it was used.

It was clearly meant to be demeaning, something the author of the piece has unapologetically owned up to.

I kind of regret that that issue has been derailed into a more abstract debate about the relative offensiveness of one decontextualised word against another decontextualised word.

GonzoChaote

GonzoChaote

Vancouver, BC
March 2007

SEP 13, 2007 11:21 PM

mcwilk123 said:
I think it's silly to make this into a story of right vs. left instead of what it really is, right vs. wrong. What the real issue should be is the vast corruption inside the political machine of Washington, both on the left and the right.

As a Republican, and a true Conservative--that is, someone who believes in the preservation of American values, such as the separation of church and state--I know that being gay isn't a sin; and I'm disgusted when politicians demonize one of their own for homosexuality as a way to pander to their constituents. What they forget is that those who demonize homosexuality are probably going to be voting along party lines anyway and are not the ones who need the pandering.

The lost constituents are ones like me, who know that there are more important issues than a politician looking for love in all the wrong places, and who know that there are certain beliefs and practices--such as the belief of homosexuality as a sin--that are archaic and belong nowhere near the political sphere. The real issue is that of American politics slowly shying away from the way it's supposed to be--the rule of the people--Vitter being a good example of such corruption of power.

But let's not forget the corruption occurs on both sides of the fence--modern Republicans and modern Democrats are both equally guilty of bastardizing the principles for which each party once stood. The entire system needs an overhauling, and it starts with people everywhere getting educated.



There need to be several million more people who think like you.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

SEP 13, 2007 11:51 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:
Just from my own perspective, I objected less to the use of the word "whore" which on its own could have been left open to interpretation, and more to the tone in which it was used.

It was clearly meant to be demeaning, something the author of the piece has unapologetically owned up to.

I kind of regret that that issue has been derailed into a more abstract debate about the relative offensiveness of one decontextualised word against another decontextualised word.



IronOrchid

ironorchid

Australia
February 2007

SEP 14, 2007 01:41 AM

TheFuckOffKid said:

TheGringo said:
Being offended by a word or words varies by who is on the receiving end.

To say one is more offensive than another is just your opinion. Other people's opinion may vary.

I cannot begin to count the number of women I know who will call a guy a "dick" but are horrified if they are called a "cunt."



Just from my own perspective, I objected less to the use of the word "whore" which on its own could have been left open to interpretation, and more to the tone in which it was used.

It was clearly meant to be demeaning, something the author of the piece has unapologetically owned up to.

I kind of regret that that issue has been derailed into a more abstract debate about the relative offensiveness of one decontextualised word against another decontextualised word.



While the derailing is a shame, it's still kinda interesting to note that people feel bad about racism and homophobia these days, but misogyny is still perfectly acceptable to them.

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