Yet Another Hint From Europe?

If I could find a way , I would build a time machine . Then , I would go back in time and somehow , get my parents to settle and fuck in Amsterdam or Paris . Thereby birthing me into a liberal society , making this obviously backwards one seem a little more tolerable . Thanks Mom !

If the terrorists really hated freedom, the Netherlands would be dust -- David Cross

The reason this sounds like a waste of money for the most part is that the problem is pretty much one-sided.

Europeans for the most part allowed he Muslims into Europe with open arms because it was assumed they would attempt to integrate with the prevailing culture. Instead, the Muslim immigrants pretty much did what the Mexican immigrants did here, group together, refuse to integrate, and attempt to push their culture to the forefront by outbreeding the indigenous people. The only problem is that a portion of the Islamic population has goals that are extremely contrary to the attitudes n Europe.

I would say that in 20 years Europe will not like the position they are in, but I think that will happen anyways with a general decline in western cultures overall

Good for the Netherlands I say. You have to teach hatred, and as Americans fuck if we aren't just about the best teachers in the world, so maybe if we start teaching people how to not hate, it'll work out better for all of us.

Of course there is the aforementioned insidious plot to outbreed western culture which of course is dumb. I really don't think I've heard anything that dumb in a long time. Really, really dumb. Think Ricky Bobby dumb. I mean, why would groups of people living in arid, impoverished lands want to emigrate to more temperate climates with running water and the opportunities to work hard enough to give their kids a better life? What could be the appeal to that over say, spending August sweltering in the 130 degree sun near the equator being poor because some rich white assholes from a place called Texas just stole all your shit?

Yes, because we know "Just Say No!" was such a raging success here.

Granted, the Dutch are light years ahead of us in social programs so they will probably succeed where we would simply get a bunch of washed up football stars and give it the feeble multi-million dollar effort we normally do.

You are obtaining this fantastic piece of information from where, exactly?

Yeah, it's not like Europe has a tradition of white Christians being intolerant of anything.

Not really. Western Europe allowed immigrants from pretty much anywhere (including former colonies) to emigrate for purely financial reasons during the post-WW2 economic boom. When there were seemingly endless jobs to be had, an influx of cheap immigrant labor seemed like an incredibly good idea. Since very few if any of those nations extended full citizenship rights to those new immigrants, I doubt very much that they gave a fuck if they integrated with the prevailing culture or not, as long as they would work for cheap and not ask for the same rights and benefits that European welfare states gave to their citizens.

Wow, where to start?

Even if you ignore the roughly 1/4th of the United States where, historically, Mexican-Americans were pretty much "the indigenous people" before the United States expanded westward, do you really think that Mexican immigrants aren't integrating with American culture?

You do know that historically, first generation immigrants from anywhere "group together and refuse to integrate", right? Do you think Italian and Jewish immigrants to New York City in the 19th Century wound up all living in the same neighborhoods due to random chance?

Oh, and it's good to know that all the fault for new immigrants supposedly refusing to integrate falls on their shoulders.

Yeah, so why bother to try and reach the rest of them?

Yeah, it's been all downhill since American let in those subhuman, crime-prone, ill-tempered Irish and let them outbreed the decent civilized people, hasn't it?

Man, if you write any more about something you know so little and keep up the creepy xenophobia I think I might have to send you a friend request.

I mean really, seriously, what a load of hilarious crap.

'Europeans invited Muslims with open arms' - You so obviously just made that up without even thinking about it. Classic.

I do have something that I'd like you to clarify - mostly for my own amusement - what do you understand by 'intergration' and how would you say that muslm populations in say, ooh the UK might have failed to integrate under your own understanding?

Man, best post in a week, seriously dude. Even got a incredulous lol out of me.

Hahaha, I just read his comment again. So f-ing funny. Especially the last bit about them furiously trying to destroy European culture by having loads of kids.

Just read it again and I'm struggling to figure out what he even means now. There was actually an agenda on behalf of the muslims to push their culture 'to the forefront?' What does that even mean? Oh and 'indigenous people'? Where? Jesus Hippy Christ if I wasn't laughing I'd be crying.

You had me until the Mexican shit. You can't compare the two. It's too bad because you have a good point I think. The problem is Muslims are moving places, and then trying to impose their ideals onto the pre-existing moral and religious schema. A totally ridiculous example is that there was a huge controversy about the year of the pig in china. Muslims were getting upset because to them the pig is sacreligious etc. and they didn't like how the chinese were depicting the animal.

My two sense is, if you are going to immigrate somewhere you need to play by their rules and observe their laws, otherwise don't move there. Poor Theo.

Perhaps you missed those french riots a while back.

Or claims by french police that, well just read the article.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/05/wmuslims05.xml

Abiding by rules and laws is different to 'trying to integrate into the prevailing culture', which is what he was getting at.

Having people from another country / culture / religion and not expecting them to have to fully 'integrate' can be such a good opportunity - I live in a diverse and multi-cultural area and think my local community is much richer for it.
As long as each person has and wants an understanding of where the other is coming from, there is no need to demand that an 'immigrant' bends to the majority populations 'way of life', whatever that is.

Yeaaah... okay. What does that prove?

(The Daily Telegraph?) Fucking hell. You're obviously in an arena you don't understand. Give it up.

Yeah, the problems that the police are having in certain areas of France are a result of much more complicated issues.
Running around just saying 'The Muslims did it' is almost laughable.

Using it as proof that Muslims are trying to take over Europe is grade-A fucking hilarious.