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MoveOn vs. FreedomsWatch! Internet Showdown!



Finally, a right wing version of MoveOn.org is here! And they are focused! Welcome FreedomsWatch.org!


Our mission is to ensure a strong national defense and a powerful fight against terror, especially in Iraq.


This is the point where the movie trailer is interrupted by the sound of a needle scratching across a record. Someone should tell these guys that there is zero evidence linking terrorism to Iraq. Zero. They should check out these other countries named Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.


Those who want to quit while victory is possible have dominated the public debate about terror and Iraq since the 2004 election.


Super. I’ll stop wanting to quit when you kids can actually define “victory.”


Our group will give a voice to those who believe that victory is America's only choice. For those who believe in peace through strength, the cavalry is coming.


Um, the cavalry already controls this thing called the White House. There is also this small channel called Fox News and one or two conservative talk show hosts on the radio. But thanks for pitching in.


Our goal, as we await General Petraeus' report, is to make sure our elected leaders do not abandon our nation's mission in Iraq and that they do not cave in to the demands of those who want to cut and run.


Okay, but you should know that the White House (cavalry) is writing General Petaeus’ report, so it’s more like Bush’s report. And those who want to “cut and run” are known as the “majority.” Thankfully, Ari Fleischer hit the press circuit today, saying exactly what was already on the website.


“For those who believe in peace through strength, the cavalry is coming," said former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, who is a founding board member of the group.


Is the cavalry named “Orwell,” you walking cliché? Seriously, through Ari, where you been? Last I heard you were spreading the name of a covert CIA agent around town. Welcome back!

There is a big difference between the two groups. Disenfranchised liberals started MoveOn. FreedomsWatch was created by and funded by “high-profile” Republicans, many who have worked for Bush in the past.


The big ad buy, funded by high-profile Republicans who were aides and supporters of President Bush…


MoveOn is the ultimate example of a grass roots movement, while FreedomsWatch is the opposite. Two owners of a software company originally created MoveOn.org to oppose the impeachment of Clinton. The original name was "Censure and Move On." At the beginning, MoveOn even had moderate Republican members. The group was an overnight sensation. Soon, MoveOn became a major player by using small donations to raise large amounts of money. Their success was unprecedented.

FreedomsWatch.org is the opposite. The group is just another extension of the Bush cult of personality, made up of rich, well connected, Washington insiders. Best of all, FreedomsWatch has decided to base their group on one man and his very unpopular war. That should work out great.

The people running the group are also apparently advertising idiots.


Organizers said the ads will run on Fox News Channel, CNN and elsewhere, with radio versions airing nationally during the conservative talk shows of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.


Preach to the converted much? MoveOn focuses their attacks on close election races or in areas where they want to change opinions. MoveOn does not run ads in New York City or San Francisco because they are not retarded. People in those areas are already on their side. The same cannot be said for Freedomswatch. Running ads on Rush Limbaugh’s show and Fox News is a colossal waste of money.

Other ads will air in districts or home states of Republicans who have begun to voice disappointment with the progress of the war. So, basically, FreedomsWatch.org are going after Republicans, not Democrats. Keep up the good work and fight amongst yourselves.


The ads are meant to “communicate to the American people, to Congress and to the world that there’s another side to the story, and that America should not and must not surrender, because appeasement doesn’t work.”

“There’s a significant voice out there that believes that, but it wasn’t breaking through organizationally or in the media.”


Oh, fuck yes. If only your side had gotten a fair shake and been able to explain the terrorism/Iraq connection, just once, instead of the 944,638 times that we’ve had to endure the past five years. Nobody is buying it, dipshits. But please keep pouring your money down that hole because it is amusing me.

Here is one of the delightful ads.



It’s no time for politics? Uh, then why are you making a political ad, soldier? There is nothing like showing your amputated legs in a political ad to show how you are not being political.

Ads such as this will only solidify people’s opinions on the war. Most minds are already made up. And FreedomsWatch won’t work as a grassroots website for Bush followers because they are already highly organized. It is entirely unnecessary. MoveOn only exists to counter the right wing machine.

 

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WADO

WADO

Brooklyn, NY
March 2006

AUG 23, 2007 03:59 PM

Seriously, just sign-up on the website using your crap email, then use the email addresses they send shit from to sign them up for porn sites and other heavy spam receivers.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

AUG 23, 2007 06:02 PM

I sometimes wonder why anyone is getting mad at the lies being told by right-wingers anymore. We all know they are going to lie, no matter what; we know they are going to twist the truth (usually using the gravitational pull around Rush Limbaugh to do so); we know they are going to cater to the overly wealthy and the undereducated. I'm actually shocked something like this didn't come up sooner.

WADO

WADO

Brooklyn, NY
March 2006

AUG 23, 2007 08:36 PM

j1mdot said:
Okay, so some of the 9-11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, I don't see how that makes Saudi Arabia responsible for their actions.* Should we have bombed New York after the Oklahoma City bombing because Tim McVeigh was born there?

Some? 80% is some. Osama bin Laden is a member of the fucking royal family. Some is not a term I would consider relative to the matter.




Furthermore, FTR, how are you going to call the War in Iraq "[the President's] very unpopular war"? Maybe I'm delusional, but I was under the assumption that America is at least mildly democratic, thus making all of us culpable for that "very unpopular war."



Seriously, if FTR has the power to command the military and authorize defense expenditure, I'd be just as worried as I currently am. How is a war started by someone who you didn't vote for, who a majority of Americans didn't vote for, who was placed in power through over-reaching assumptions of power by the judiciary after massive and widespread fraud even remotely a shared responsibility? I will grant that we as American's share responsibility for the region due to our use of oil, but that's hardly the same as starting and continuing to wage a poorly run war.

*I'm not saying the Saudi government isn't abhorrent, I'm saying assigning them responsibility for the actions of people who were from there is baseless.



A majority of terrorists come from that patch of earth. A rich, autocratic ruling class severely limits the freedoms of vast swathes of the country and the wealth of one of the richest oil producing regions is held high above the heads of the common Saudi, causing great resentment and strife which opportunistic radical clerics use to cajole and influence religious faith into violence and hatred. Compound this with long standing interference in the region by the US, first in arming Iraq and Afghanistan against Iran and the USSR, and now arming Saudi Arabia against Iraq and Iran, and Israel against everybody.

FTR's thought incomplete? Yes, but baseless, no. Saudi Arabia has a great deal of unaccounted culpability in this mess, as do we.

NickFaust

NickFaust

USA
April 2004

AUG 23, 2007 09:06 PM

freshprncebelair said:


Someone should tell these guys that there is zero evidence linking terrorism to Iraq. Zero.



There are terror attacks in Iraq though. "ensure a strong national defense and a powerful fight against terror, especially in Iraq." seems to mean fighting the insurgent attacks in Iraq.



Which, um, are a direct result, according to the US's own national intelligence estimate, of the invasion and occupation of Mesopotamia.

nice_pun_bro

nice_pun_bro

Irvine, CA
January 2007

AUG 23, 2007 10:14 PM

WADO said:
Some? 80% is some. Osama bin Laden is a member of the fucking royal family. Some is not a term I would consider relative to the matter.



Fifty percent of the Oklahoma City bombers were from New York... New York must be a terrible place. Moreover, would you mind citing some evidence for Bin Laden being a member of the royal family? I may be living under a rock, but I've never heard that one.


Seriously, if FTR has the power to command the military and authorize defense expenditure, I'd be just as worried as I currently am. How is a war started by someone who you didn't vote for, who a majority of Americans didn't vote for, who was placed in power through over-reaching assumptions of power by the judiciary after massive and widespread fraud even remotely a shared responsibility? I will grant that we as American's share responsibility for the region due to our use of oil, but that's hardly the same as starting and continuing to wage a poorly run war.



Oh, you're right. Us poor helpless Americans and our completely unaccountable government. If only we lived in a nice place like Brazil or Bolivia where the people are able to influence their government. I guess we just have too many resources to ever do anything...


A majority of terrorists come from that patch of earth. A rich, autocratic ruling class severely limits the freedoms of vast swathes of the country and the wealth of one of the richest oil producing regions is held high above the heads of the common Saudi, causing great resentment and strife which opportunistic radical clerics use to cajole and influence religious faith into violence and hatred. Compound this with long standing interference in the region by the US, first in arming Iraq and Afghanistan against Iran and the USSR, and now arming Saudi Arabia against Iraq and Iran, and Israel against everybody.

FTR's thought incomplete? Yes, but baseless, no. Saudi Arabia has a great deal of unaccounted culpability in this mess, as do we.



You're right, Saudi Arabia's government is abhorrent and despotic, like I said. It logically follows that an abhorrent, despotic regime will be very unpopular. It also logically follows that the country propping up that government would also be seen quite unfavorably. Just keep in mind that I was responding to scorp's post that advocated attacking Saudi Arabia because 80% of the hijackers happened to be born there.

OctEgon

OctEgon

Tustin, CA
July 2005

AUG 23, 2007 10:15 PM

I'm sure this will be a roaring success like Fox's take on the Daily Show.

GonzoChaote

GonzoChaote

Vancouver, BC
March 2007

AUG 23, 2007 10:42 PM

Best article you've done in a while FTR, I actually enjoyed it without any reservations.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

AUG 23, 2007 10:54 PM

j1mdot said:
You're right, Saudi Arabia's government is abhorrent and despotic, like I said. It logically follows that an abhorrent, despotic regime will be very unpopular. It also logically follows that the country propping up that government would also be seen quite unfavorably. Just keep in mind that I was responding to scorp's post that advocated attacking Saudi Arabia because 80% of the hijackers happened to be born there.



They had a little more contact with Saudi Arabia than just being born there. But I expect that he was not seriously advocating attacking anyone. Merely pointing out that if one is looking to hit the terrorists and their suppliers, invading Saudi Arabia would accomplish that much better than Iraq. Probably not be successful. But would at least be remotely related, y'know?

Cheyenne

Cheyenne

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

AUG 23, 2007 11:37 PM

NickFaust said:

freshprncebelair said:


Someone should tell these guys that there is zero evidence linking terrorism to Iraq. Zero.



There are terror attacks in Iraq though. "ensure a strong national defense and a powerful fight against terror, especially in Iraq." seems to mean fighting the insurgent attacks in Iraq.



Which, um, are a direct result, according to the US's own national intelligence estimate, of the invasion and occupation of Mesopotamia.



no it's not. the people of "mesopotamia" have been fighting eachother and committing terrorist attacks against eachother for a long long time. But let's pull out because we're needed in Darfur.

Cheyenne

Cheyenne

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

AUG 23, 2007 11:39 PM

anyway, I think both sites are too wonky. Obviously, they are going to hype up what they believe. Both sides are guilty of that. And, as a soldier, I think it is pretty disgusting to use a soldier like the one in that video to spread political propaganda of any sort, regardless of whether it is liberal or conservative.

JekyllAndHyde

JekyllAndHyde

Baltimore, MD
April 2005

AUG 23, 2007 11:55 PM

Cheyenne said:
anyway, I think both sites are too wonky. Obviously, they are going to hype up what they believe. Both sides are guilty of that. And, as a soldier, I think it is pretty disgusting to use a soldier like the one in that video to spread political propaganda of any sort, regardless of whether it is liberal or conservative.



Unfortunately, I'm afraid the days of the military being non-partison are long behind us (as are many concepts America used to take for granted, like the assumption that your government actually cares what you think). I keep telling myself that these trends are cyclical, and that one day we'll come full around back to a point where the government isn't actively trying to screw/scare/spy on its people, but who the hell knows.

Cheyenne

Cheyenne

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

AUG 24, 2007 12:09 AM

JekyllAndHyde said:

Cheyenne said:
anyway, I think both sites are too wonky. Obviously, they are going to hype up what they believe. Both sides are guilty of that. And, as a soldier, I think it is pretty disgusting to use a soldier like the one in that video to spread political propaganda of any sort, regardless of whether it is liberal or conservative.



Unfortunately, I'm afraid the days of the military being non-partison are long behind us (as are many concepts America used to take for granted, like the assumption that your government actually cares what you think). I keep telling myself that these trends are cyclical, and that one day we'll come full around back to a point where the government isn't actively trying to screw/scare/spy on its people, but who the hell knows.


there are lots of individuals in the military who are non partisan. the military as a whole, however, yeah, have to agree with you on that part. anyway, i'm not quite sure if you are agreeing with me or not here...

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

AUG 24, 2007 01:18 AM

Damn, and I thought this picture would never come in handy again:

I'm beginning to think that Bush is becoming a real "devotee" to his devout... I wonder what he'd look like with a big pile of limbs surrounding him from all the victims of the Iraq war? I'm sorry that that guy lost his legs, but that he's a real douche for trying to use his loss to try and influence others to keep supporting the war.. The whole concept is oddly perverse once you get past the knee jerk emotional response this add clearly was intended for: the horrors of war he's suffered... And that's why we need to keep fighting??? surreal

Stumps For Oil

Personally, I'd be fucking pissed at the President if I were him. Hell, I already am.

Jace

Jace

San Francisco, CA
February 2004

AUG 24, 2007 10:45 AM

graphicsman77 said:
Politics is alot like professional wrestling in many ways (and none of them good).



Giggle.

Seriously, though. Politicians, especially dumb ones from the bible belt, aren't very hip to Internet security. Someone hax0r their website and put something like "IM UP IN UR WEBSITEZ, CHANGIN UR PROPAGANDAZ," and we can all laugh about it.

Go Internet cavalry!

Tiger_Fodder

Tiger_Fodder

Braintree, MA
June 2007

AUG 24, 2007 11:50 AM


Super. I'll stop wanting to quit when you kids can actually define "victory."



Victory in Iraq is only relevant as a tool to the already defined "Victory." A Bush-style victory is a strong Republican party informed by Evangelical Christianity, that controls all branches of the government and focuses all governmental powers under a strong-looking leader let's call him his "Dictatorship." Victory allows a weak and irrelevant Democrat party to make it seem that democracy actually exists in America. I say we are about 85% there. Hurrah!

I hate cold but Canada might beckon someday!

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